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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Lille next!

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nando
post Feb 2 2010, 08:01 PM

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oh sami....we miss you very much!!!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philminshull/20...the_neverk.html

Now is the time for The Neverkusen

Who saw Bayer Leverkusen's 3-1 win over Freiburg on Sunday night? I did.

From questions and comments in recent weeks, I knew that there is considerable interest in what's happening in the Bundesliga so instead of shivering at the Vicente Calderon and watching Atletico Madrid's latest exercise in self-destruction, I decided to cajole a reluctant local bar owner into the slightly unusual act of putting German football on one of his TV screens.

What I saw confirmed what I had seen watching Bayer earlier this season, that the Werkself might just, finally, be about to put their reputation of being the Bundesliga bottlers behind them.

Having finished runners-up four times since 1997, and without ever having won the German title, they may be on the cusp of partially atoning for all their disappointments and near-misses.

Of course, watching a game on a small screen doesn't compensate for being in the BayArena itself, and beating a free-falling side that has now lost its last four games and not won since November doesn't necessarily confirm championship credentials either.

However, it was in just these sort of games that they have dropped critical points in the past. Over the second half of last season they slid from third to ninth and in 2007-08 they lost five out of their last 10 games against teams that were at the time in the lower half of the table.

So what has brought about the new, resilient Bayer that could consign to history the images of fans from the so-called family-friendly club burning their shirts in frustration, notable after a tormented few weeks at the end of the 2001-02 season when they were undone in the Champions League final by a spectacular goal from Real Madrid's Zinedine Zidane, lost in the German Cup final, and were crowned 'winter champions' only to lose the plot down the home straight and finish second to Borussia Dortmund.

The answer, to lift a quip from a Bayer fans web site which noted that the club was founded by and inexorably linked to a pharmaceutical company, is a double dose of Preparation H - Heynckes and Hyypia.

Bayer coach Jupp Heynckes, with a pragmatism that had been absent under his immediate predecessors Michael Skibbe and Bruno Labbadia, has managed to insert some steel into his defence without clipping the wings of his creative and attacking midfield leading primarily by Toni Kroos.

Maybe it's been coincidence but whenever I have watched Bayer this season, like on Sunday evening, Kroos's work in tandem with Stefan Kiessling has been outstanding.

The pair have scored eight and 13 goals respectively this season, the latter leading the Bundesliga marksmen, and they could have earned themselves places in Joachim Low's South Africa-bound squad.

It's just a pity that should Bayer finally win the Bundesliga that the hugely talented Kroos, who has just turned 20, will be on his way back to Bayern Munich in the summer after his 18-month loan spell by the Rhine.

Few imagined that Heynckes was about to revisit his glory days with Bayern when he was appointed in June, in the wake of Bayer's underwhelming season which culminated in them failing to qualify for Europe after losing in the German Cup final to Werder Bremen.

No, I'm not referring Heynckes' rescue act of last season but, for those without long memories, his first stint with the German giants between 1987 and 1991 when he won two Bundesliga crowns.

It's also worth remembering that he lifted the 1998 Champions League with Real Madrid before being capriciously sacked three days later.


Because of his Madrid connection, I have always had a soft spot for Heynckes and so I'll drop any pretence of impartiality and say I'm rooting for him to keep Bayer on track make their own little bit of history.

His arrival at Real Madrid coincided with mine in Spain and his first press conference as their coach in 1997 was my very first assignment in the Spanish capital.

He has always struck me as an essentially decent human being, a German version of Bobby Robson, if you will, without quite the rampant enthusiasm or eccentricities. I've certainly never heard anyone speak ill of him, apart from Real Madrid board directors circa 1998 and, as they often say, there are two sides to every story.

Just like Heynckes, many people thought that Hyypia's glory days were behind him when he moved from Liverpool to Bayer in the summer, sped on his way with the best wishes of The Kop.

Now 36, and after 10 distinguished years at Anfield, Hyypia appears rejuvenated by the change of surroundings and the chance of regular first team football again.

The Finn has been arguably the best central defender in the Bundesliga this season and with the German national team goalkeeper Rene Adler behind him, the pair have maintained a sense of stability and solidity at the back as well as Leverkusen's unbeaten record.

Hyypia has been open about the fact that he is hugely motivated by the possibility of winning a league title, something he was unable to do in his decade at Liverpool despite all his other honours during his time there.

The season is still far from over yet. Bayern Munich are breathing down their neck with Louis van Gaal's men having forgotten their early season problems and rattled off seven successive wins to leave them only two points adrift of Bayer.

Nevertheless, I have a feeling that Bayer fans might soon be able to stop using their self-mockingly nickname of 'The Neverkusen'.



The most `painful' part of the article for me....
The Finn has been arguably the best central defender in the Bundesliga this season... doh.gif doh.gif

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post Feb 2 2010, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Feb 2 2010, 08:50 PM)
@Nando: don't be upset. Remember Voronin? He used to be the top scorer there!
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hahahah..true also

but Hyypia is definitely no Voronin...hahah!
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post Feb 6 2010, 08:59 PM

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goodness.....our football is really not attractive.....humping it forward, side way passes....

come on REds...put in some dangerous movements!!


i think its going to end up a futsal game.. 8 vs 8 or 5 vs 5!!!

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post Feb 6 2010, 09:21 PM

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Kungfu by Pineear lagi hebat...but he got away with it.....
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post Feb 6 2010, 09:24 PM

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its a series of unfortunate events for our Spartan....

after all the flying tackles and yellow cards...the ref has to stamped his authority ....too bad Spartan was the next in line.....

if the game cool down and everyone becomes more careful with their tackles...then you'll think the ref is right....
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post Feb 6 2010, 09:27 PM

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Afro didnt get away...he got `carried away'...!

btw...worried...Arteta may be more dangerous against our 10 men..
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post Feb 6 2010, 09:32 PM

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bad time also for Spartan to put in that tackle...

but i agree..the everton players also not saints themselves....

come on reds...go and steal 1 !!!


fuyooo!!!! Cahill missed with a header....if that went it...we are staring at defeat!1

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post Feb 6 2010, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Feb 6 2010, 09:42 PM)
2 leg challenge + no ball contact = straight red la even if the one who commits gets injured in the process.
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itu Afro ada angkat kaki juga when he saw Spartan coming in ....
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post Feb 6 2010, 09:51 PM

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i think Macca is right...dua dua should go...
Spartan, for the idea of 2 foot in first place....

then Marco, for going in with open studs when he saw what Spartan will do...
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post Feb 6 2010, 09:57 PM

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1 player i would like to see playing less for us...Ngog....sometimes i wonder...what does he bring as an attacker??
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post Feb 6 2010, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Feb 6 2010, 09:57 PM)
1 player i would like to see playing less for us...Ngog....sometimes i wonder...what does he bring as an attacker??
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ok ok...he won us corner.....which leads to the goal...

let me kutuk one more time so that he can do again... tongue.gif

What does Ngog brings as an attacker?
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post Feb 6 2010, 10:09 PM

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to me both deserve to go....

but the red card came at a right time.....after the card...game cooled down...it was threatening to boil....like i said..too bad it was our Greek who was next in line...

anyway...secure the 3 points and bragging rights and all will be forgotten...

come on Liverpool...time to play some smart counter attack and steal another goal!

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post Feb 22 2010, 12:00 AM

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can a team in this modern age of football survive with midfielders that cannot pass properly and lack ideas in creating chances for the attacking players?
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post Feb 25 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Feb 23 2010, 08:22 PM)
i think its too much...

but having said that...its not easy to love Lucas with all his slow and sometimes inaccurate passing...
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post Mar 12 2010, 09:05 AM

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Pellegrini probably will be sacked by Madrid

So just maybe Real will be willing to work out a deal and take Rafa without Liverpool losing too much $$..

then we will hope Inter crumbles during these last few months...

and then, the stage is set for the Mourinho Strikes Back...hehehehe
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post Mar 12 2010, 11:08 AM

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playing at 65% to ensure injury free for the South Africa adventure in June?
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post Mar 12 2010, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(cradle0fFilth @ Mar 12 2010, 11:28 AM)
those who calling for Rafa's head and to be replaced by Mourinho are insane. Mourinho is a utter tw*t. Full stop.
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Be straight to the point la....reply my post so that we all know it was me...no need to throw your comment in the open air like that...


I am standing up and be counted. I gave my reasons many postings ago in this forum on why having Mourinho is not a bad idea.

Every opinion will fellas who disagree and agree with you.


Now, please stand up and state your reasons for not agreeing, if you want to initiate a `Mourinho for Liverpool, Yes or No' discussion.

Calling people `utter twit' and summarizing your statement with a call for `full stop' doesnt really bring you to a discussion eh?

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post Mar 12 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 12 2010, 04:45 PM)
cant be true....cant be true...things cant be THAT BAD!
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post Mar 12 2010, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 12 2010, 05:29 PM)
hmm... my rumour mongering skills seem to have leveled up. Last time i netted jonno, now duke and nando perhaps? laugh.gif

seriously though, some of the issues in there reflect what i think is wrong;
1) reina, torres and mascherano seem to be getting more and more influential in the team and perhaps Gerrard, having carried Liverpool on his own for so long doesn't quite feel as comfortable as before.
2) on the other hand some of the other players, carragher included tend to kow tow to gerrard to often for me likings
3) rafa fails to understand the importance of man management and
4) sammy is a wuss
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no worries.....i just hope its not true!



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