QUOTE(jason991 @ Feb 24 2010, 09:41 PM)
Hmm I remember it as a well timed tackle more than a push.English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Lille next!
English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Lille next!
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The Europa League may rank behind the Champions League but still, there are quality teams in it like Juventus, Ajax, Marseille, PSV, Roma, Valencia and Werder Bremen. In the end, a cup is a cup and who can argue that the last time we won it, we were involved in one of the most memorable finals in Europe. Who can forget the pulsating 5-4 win over Alaves? Time to salvage some pride.
I don't forsee an action packed match either but I don't care so long as I can see my reds progress. I fell asleep during the 1st leg, just hope there isn't a repeat of that. Got home at 4am, whipped up a bowl of maggi and fell asleep 15 mins later. |
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Got my wish when I turned on the telly and saw Babel in the lineup again. As I mentioned before, it was perhaps a predictable choice given the nature of the game. The onus was on Unirea to come at us to get the goal that would see this tie go into extra time. I still stand by my opinion that Ryan Babel is a better outlet than David N'Gog despite the latters height advantage. Babel thrives in situations where he is allowed to run at defenders and with Unirea coming forward, such opportunities would be frequent. I'm one of those hoping that his run of fine form continues.
Despite winning by a comfortable margin, we should note that the game was very much in the balance during the first half. Both teams had opportunities and Unirea got what they were looking for, an early goal to level the tie. I have to credit the team though for the way they responded. I lost count the number of times the ref stopped play in the first half for infringements. What was most important if you ask me, is that the team went looking for a second goal after Mascherano had equalised, instead of sitting back like we usually do. It's been widely said that we often lacked the killer instinct, we never went for the jugular and we often allowed our opponents to gather themselves and hit back at us. This time, it was different. This time we looked like we wanted to kill the tie. With the exception of N'Gog's inability to hold the ball up on numerous occasions, the team played pretty well and maybe it was more than just coincidence with the return from injury of one Yossi Benayoun, who looked like he was back to his best. So up next, Lille. |
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A certain El-Hadji Diouf has started to run his mouth of again suggesting that it's easy to get a result against Liverpool these days. What irks me isn't so much that there isn't fact in that statement, because it's true but for a former Red to to run his mouth of against us in the manner that he did, further reinforces my belief that he isn't a Red and he never was. Gerard Houllier had expressed deep interest in him before the 2002 World Cup had begun and I took interest in Senegal's games because of that. For a guy dubbed "the Serial Killer", he came with a huge reputation but what I saw in the 2002 World Cup wasn't so much a deadly finisher as he was a diving cheat. Never liked him and never will. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Looking forward to seeing him dig his face in the dirt tomorrow.
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Can't help but wonder if Jovanovic will settle in given his volatile temperament. The fans will not tolerate players speaking out against the club but it appears that the Serb has no such issues. From what I've read he has never really felt like part of any club he's played for prior. Having said that, if there is a club whose fans make a player feel welcomed and appreciated, it is Liverpool FC. With the exception of one diving, spitting ****, no former player has a bad thing to say about the club. Prior to joining the club, Didi Hamann had the undesired reputation of being the resident journeyman but found a home in Liverpool and even developed a slight Scouse accent. Would have predicted sparks to fly if Thommo were still around.
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It's no secret that the most prominant reason behind why we're lagging behind our rivals in terms of global appeal is our failure to market (whore?) ourselves to the world. This is turn is ultimately the reason we aren't able to spend a huge amount on any one player. Yes we do spend but it isn't a common practice to splurge on just one player. When we've spent, it's because the new manager was given the liberty to build his team, and it's expected that player will be released and brought in. Being a traditionalist, I'm against the idea of prostituting ourselves to the world because it means we'll have an influx of "fans" who wear our jerseys but don't watch games. It means we'll see a rise in "fans" who claim to love the club but know nothing about it. We will also see a spike in "fans" who jump and scream their heads off when we win but mysteriously disappear when we lose. However it will also mean that we register as a bigger blip in the radars of the world's top players. More importantly, it equates more money. Here's hoping Christian Purslow manages to succeed where Rick Parry failed miserably.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 27 2010, 03:24 PM) Yup Sad fact that is, but a fact nonetheless. The stadium is a big component but the club is also under pressure to keep prices down. Liverpool is largely an industrial city and many of the hard core supporters don't receive large paychecks. If you look at the following link (http://english-premier-league.suite101.com/article.cfm/english_premier_league_ticket_prices_0910), you'll note that the cost of tickets at Anfield are substantially cheaper than to Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. My view, The reason, why Liverpool lag behind is failing to take the advantage of commercial wise aka you need $ money mind as well, to grow the club and remain successful. You need to market yourself. Liverpool lose out the golden opportunity to grow and build bigger stadium back late 80's golden age. At the most basic point, stadium capacity is always important. Every week, compared to rival, Liverpool already lose out around 20K ticket sales. 20K x GBP 20 per week, and accumulated over the year is a huge sum. The longer it goes over the years, the gap become exponantial wide, which eventually in ability in transfer market. Although money cannot buy you success, without money, success even hard to come by. New modern football, $$ is an integrated part of football already. Merchandising plays a big part as well and I can in some way understand why more isn't being done here in Malaysia given the following the Premiership generates. It probably has something to do with counterfeits. Where can one get an original Liverpool flag, keychain or car sticker? Replica's are easily available and widely worn. I remember once seing a Manchester United store in 1 Utama, but it didn't last too long. Anyone remember Red Cafe in the heart of town? It didn't last too long either. It's tough. Do we expect everyone to pay exuberant prices for original merchandise in support of the club? We are lucky in that despite not having much success in the past 2 decades, the club still has a large pull. We haven't won the Premiership in 20 years but we still have fans all over the world. It has always been taken for granted but it's time we tap on this now. |
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Feb 28 2010, 02:57 AM) Anyway what's surprising though, is that Reina is on course to his 4th Golden Gloves. This is surprising considering how porous our defense was earlier in the season. He will have set a record of sorts if he wins it. If we continue to remain solid at the back, he would have won it 4 times in 5 seasons, more than justifying his $95,000 a week paycheck. When we first signed him, Rafa said he was amongst the best 3 keepers in Spain, and since then, he has been promoted to Casillas' deputy in the national setup. Unluckily for him Iker isn't much older than he is. Certainly amongst the top 3 in the Premiership now. I've always felt that Cech was overrated. Amidst the despair of this season, it is at least some consolation that we've seemed to fix our goalkeeping woes. How many have come and succumbed to the Anfield second season jinx? Dudek? Westerveld? James? Even Grobbelar was erratic but was fortunate as he was playing behind a great team. QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 28 2010, 12:35 PM) infact most promising players rot at anfield I don't think Hyypia is playing much better at Leverkusen despite them leading the Bundesliga. He is one of our most decorated players and was always a model of consistency despite his lack of pace. Prior to signing, Bellamy had arguably the best season in his career and even I thought he'd be a shrewd acquisition. The bigger names had more appeal but Bellamy was a proven Premiership scorer. He scored 7 goals in 27 games for us, but his volatile personality meant he was never going to endear himself to Rafa. Can't say he did much better after leaving us for West Ham though. He scored 7 goals in 24 games for them before joining City where he has scored 11 goals in 30 games which was a surprise. Wasn't quite sure it was the best move for him at the time. City had on their books, Jo, Benjani, Caicedo, Bojinov, Robinho, Adebayor, Tevez and Roque Santa Cruz up front. Fortunately for him, most of them were either injured or out of form. once released they prosper juz look at Bellamy and Hyypia True some players may have prospered after leaving but most haven't. The careers of Djibril Cisse, Milan Baros, Igor Biscan, Momo Sissoko, Jermain Pennant, Peter Crouch and Mark Gonzalez haven't exactly flourished since leaving Anfield. Speaking of Mark Gonzalez, did anyone see his left foot rocket for CSKA against Sevilla in their last Champions League tie? QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 28 2010, 03:16 PM) i seriously doubt martin o neill will join liverpool. It remains to be seen how he'd do at a bigger club. It's harder to keep a big side up there than it is to have an average side overachieve consistently. Everyone thought that Steve McLaren would make a decent coach after his time at Middlesborough. Alan Curbishly was thought to be a good manager when he was at Charlton, keeping them in the Premiership. O'Neil doesn't really have much silverware to boast as a manager. Forget his time at Celtic because there are really only two teams in Scotland. Not a surprise that they are going to lose 1 Champions League spot given the lack of quality there. Prior to that he only ever won 1 League Cup with Leicester in 5 seasons. It remains to be seen if he can take a big club to the next level. afterall liverpool were one of his biggest enemies when he was playing way back then. plus martin's game is geared towards building the team around big english center forwards. QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Feb 28 2010, 04:29 PM) rafa can easily go rape other team to win 2nd class trophy if he put a complete team.. the reason he doesnt do tat cz he don wan tat trophy.. there's always a messin team formation when for carling cup.. not only tis season but every season.. why? bcos rafa think carling cup is cheap I find that harsh. Most Premiership sides field weakened teams in the League Cup. When else do you get to have your young uns have a go at competitive football? |
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Feb 28 2010, 06:57 PM) it's simple answer cz dey already a crap player.. even if u put akmal rizal on list doesnt mean he go out liverpool then turn to be good.. crap is crap.. Were they? Djibril Cisse scored 70 goals in 128 games for Auxerre before we signed him. Pretty decent if you ask me. Milan Baros was top scorer for the Czech Republic in the 2004 European Championships. We beat the likes of Juventus, AC Milan, Barcelona and Ajax to the signature of Igor Biscan. Jerzy Dudek was Dutch goalkeeper of the year before we signed him, becoming the first foreign player to win the award. In his first season with us, he was nominated alongside Oliver Kahn and Gianluigi Buffon for UEFA Goalkeeper of the year. Yet Rafa made the right decision to let him go as he can't even get into the Polish setup now. My point? Well, most of them weren't crap before coming over, turning out good only after leaving. the digilife try to say is some of our players out from liv suddenly turn to be good player not all tho i still have a doubt bout sissoko & crouch My point of contention is that if you look at all the player that Rafa has released, very few if any really turned out to be gems. You named Hyypia and Bellamy, neither of whom have made a marked improvement. Bellamy was always Bellamy except that he was occasionally played out of position and I think he was released more because of his temperament than his ability. Hyypia is in the twilight of his career and his best years will always have been at Liverpool, event if Bayer win the Bundesliga this season. On last night's game against Blackburn, I was really surprised to see Mascherano played at right fullback despite Martin Kelly being fully fit. We clearly missed Masch's presence in front of the back four. Lucas is a hard worker, no doubt but the fact that Blackburn mustered 8 shots on goal to our 3, despite playing at Anfield shows that we lacked cover. Lucas had an almost disastrous first half, though one could argue that he was shoved off the ball when his loss of possession almost resulted in a goal against us. He did better in the second half. Was it he that threaded that sublime pass through to Torres, leading to our 2nd goal? Can't remember. Thuggery Alan Wiley was overly lenient if you ask me. Nzonzi should have been red carded for assault. The rules are simple really. You cannot raise your hands against an opponent and Nzonzi clearly threw Lucas to ground. Chimbonda himself should at least have been disciplined for kicking Maxi in the chest. Sam Allardyce's tactics were clear. They came to impose themselves physically and unsettle us, and it almost worked. Forget that Gerrard's goal came after a well worked move, and Torres' goal was the result of a sublime pass even before the ball rebounded to Maxi, we were outplayed for much of the match. At each opportunity, Blackburn would throw Samba, who is used as a utility striker, forward. I've lost count the number of times Blackburn pushed everyone in front of our goal even if it was a goalkick. Passive It's really frustrating to have to watch your side sit back after going ahead, resulting in a nail-biting finish to the game. After going for the jugular against Unirea, we simply let Blackburn play in the 2nd half, sitting deep, too deep in fact. If not for Reina, we could have lost the game. Each time there was a setpiece, I held my breath. I know it has worked for us in the past but when you see the likes of Insua and Gerrard having to defend corners or setpieces against someone like Christopher Samba, you have to ask what's wrong with the picture? Dirk Kuyt I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He plays his best football for us when he is pushed further forward. On the wings, his lack of pace and skill is exposed. When he's in the opposition box, he doesn't need a great degree of pace. All he needs is a couple of touches to get himself into space to get a shot off. Pity he didn't score with an overhead kick after setting himself up so well. For those that remember, he was played further forward at the beginning of last season and he flourished there being our top scorer in that time. MOM for me? Either Pepe Reina or Dirk Kuyt. I felt the former commanded his area pretty well despite a few dodgy decisions coming off his line. His save at the end of the game was top class. Kuyt may not have scored but he worked tirelessly up front, showing some good touches and closing down defenders at any given opportunity. Afterall, you should start defending up front. On a side note, good to see Torres back. He showed some good touches. There was on occasion he showed some nifty footwork to ghost past Samba and someone else and they could only stop him by bringing him down. Good also to see Agger marshalling the backline. He is as vocal as Carra and you need that sort of player on the pitch. Stevie is our captain, but Carra's the one always barking instructions. It's similar to what Rafa had at Valencia in Roberto Ayala, when Rubens Baraja was captain. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 1 2010, 11:09 AM |
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QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Mar 1 2010, 05:51 PM) 1. If you had say, 5-7mil pounds to spend on a young understudy for Reina who would it be? I don't think we need to look outside actually. I've heard good things about Dean Bouzanis who is currently out on loan. He has already represented Australia at various levels and at 19 has a lot of room for development. We also have Peter Gulasci who has done the same for Hungary. QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Mar 1 2010, 05:51 PM) 2. COVER FOR TORRES? Who?? I can't answer this one. Not many forwards I know can lead the line on their own. QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Mar 1 2010, 05:51 PM) 3. What are we gonna do once Gerrard retires? Do we have any replacements coming up? One can argue that we don't actually need to replace Gerrard per se. I do think we need a Scouse element in the team but I don't think it means we have to "replace" Stevie as a player. We've got some of our best results against the Mancs without Stevie in the side and it's often been said that the team plays better without him in the side. QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Mar 1 2010, 05:51 PM) 4. Transfer market... Say you were Benitez, you had 15mil in the bank and could spend 50% of the transfer fees out (eg. Torres sould for 50mil, can have 25mil to spend FOR EXAMPLE) Too much homework needed. Don't know the worth of players out there. All I know is I'd like to see Arteta in the side. WHO would you take in an out? Reasonable transfer fees la... And WHY? QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Mar 2 2010, 06:08 AM) aquaman is flop I'm not going to make a judgement call on him just yet. All I know is that I'm a little disappointed we didn't go for Mikael Arteta instead. Someone who has proven he can cut it in the Premiership. He pulls the strings in midfield and his absence was a reason Everton struggled early in the season. It was reported that we once expressed interest in him and I was hoping we'd renew that interest. Oh well, let bygones be bygones. |
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Mar 2 2010, 12:11 PM) Arteta didn't do much even before he went out injured. Cahill were a better choice if I were to pick any player from Everton though I doubt he would come here because IMHO he's a type of a man who's loyal. Cahill? Firstly he's a **** and secondly, I think what we're pining for at the moment is a midfielder who can orchestrate the midfield, and if you ask me, Arteta fits the mould. When you say, he "didn't do much", what do you mean? I must admit I don't watch Everton all that much but when I have, he's always been influential. QUOTE(rushmode @ Mar 2 2010, 12:11 PM) I'm a bit disappointed when we not going for Robben when he's available but it still depends on the player and that wanker club to sell to us if we did asked. He kinda old but he's a type a player that Liverpool need right now. Yossi and Torres coming back and we start played better (at least on 1st half) is prove of that. Sigh, sadly for me, I'm a little emotional and at talented as Robben is, I absolutely hate him for getting Pepe booked. Pepe tapped him on the cheek and he went down as if he got sucker punched by Mike Tyson. |
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Actually, what Shebby said about Gerrard sometime back isn't far from the truth, that he is the best rightback in the country. He is probably the most complete player in the Premiership because he has both, attacking and defensive qualities. Was it not he that was moved to rightback towards the end of the Champions League final against AC Milan at the Attaturk? Not many remember this but he spent the final minutes of the game playing there to stop the crosses that were coming in from Serginho. The same crosses Djimi Traore crucially cleared and cause Carra to have cramps in both legs. So was Shebby wrong I don't think so.
On the issue of playing Gerrard as a DM, it's possible. I mean he has been played there often for England, with Lampard taking up a more advanced position (mainly because Lampard can't play anywhere else. Hard to score a deflected goal from way back there). The thing with Gerrard however isn't about where he can play. It's about where he plays best, and I still believe it's in the middle of the park where he's able to influence play on both sides of the pitch. Remember Martin Tyler's, "One-man-task-force" comment? I disagree with playing Mascherano at rightback because with him there, Lucas has to play defensive midfield and he doesn't have the same presence Mascherano does. He was overwhelmed against Blackburn. Do remember that we were leaking goals at the beginning of the season. One reason was that we were crap at defending from setpieces but another was that Masherano was out injured. It's no coincidence that our defence suddenly got stronger when Masherano returned to the side. So while he is more than capable at playing rightback, he's needed elsewhere. |
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Interesting article. My 2 cents:-
QUOTE Javier Mascherano – Before you start, yes, the Argentine midfielder is undoubtedly a good player. But £30m’s worth of player? That’s the price attached to reports of Barcelona’s interest in Mascherano but, without Xabi Alonso alongside him this season, Mascherano has not looked like the kind of star player that a fee like that should command. He offers next to nothing in an attacking sense, while his good defensive work is often marred by rash tackles and frustrated lashings out. Alonso’s departure demanded that Mascherano develop into something more than just a simple ball winner but he’s not yet shown that he can flourish without a suitable partner alongside. This of course can be said of many players but not of those who are truly out of the top bracket, which £30m links with Barcelona are generally indicative of. Perhaps Alberto Aquilani could be that partner. Was Ronaldo worth the 80 million Real Madrid paid for him? If you ask me, these numbers only indicate perceived value and not actual value. Because of this, it is subjective and in today's inflated market, who can say? I must say that Masch is beginning to develop the attacking side of his game. He is getting forward more although his distribution does still leave much to be desired. He may not be the most gifted player on the ball but if you consider that his job at the club is to protect the back four, I think he does it with aplomb. It is in my own personal, perhaps even biased opinion that Masch is the best at what he does in the Premiership. His mere presence at the back allows us to push our fullbacks forward, knowing that at any time we lose possession, Masch will be scurrying across either side of the pitch, honing down on any enemy targets that invade our territory. My verdict: Well worth the 18 million we paid for him at least, considering he was one of the lowest earners in our first team at the time. 30 million if you ask me, is too much for 99% of the players in the game but if I had that amount of money to spend on a DM, it would be on Mascherano. QUOTE Jamie Carragher – Again, overrated in this instance does not translate as ‘no good whatsoever’. Although he is now beginning to show his age, Carragher has been a fine one-club servant for Liverpool and goes down in history as the man who captained the Reds on so many momentous occasions. But we’re not talking about Bobby Moore here; Liverpool fans may “dream of a team of Carraghers” but they’d soon tire of eleven last-ditch defenders throwing themselves in front of the ball, screaming at each other and generally giving “110%”. A great defender but not a great footballer: fortunately for Carragher, that’s all he’s needed to be throughout his club career. Overrated based on what? Can't be price because no club has made a bid for him. So can I then say that Carra is has the most worth amongst any player in the world because he is valued at $0 pounds? He isn't the most gifted footballer, that much is pretty obvious. One cannot defy nature and if his age is slowing him down and this makes him a poorer player, than the same can be said for any footballer. When suggesting that Carra is overrated, one also has to note that not too long ago, he was vastly underrated. Not everday do you get compared to Franco Baresi. His heroic performance in Istanbul was hailed by neutrals but that's only because we've grown accustomed to seeing him deliver week-in, week-out. I still believe that Carragher will only ever be appreciated by Liverpool fans. My verdict: At a value of $0 pounds, grossly underrated. You can always buy talent but you cannot buy heart and passion. Those two values alone are priceless. QUOTE Glen Johnson – It’s been all too noticeable how much stronger Liverpool’s defence has been while the England right-back has been confined to the sidelines. That of course would be to completely disregard Johnson’s considerable attacking prowess but, while he is not exactly a disaster area, he is still not tight enough at the back to warrant the £18m that the Reds paid Portsmouth for his services. Johnson has the faint whiff of Newcastle United under Kevin Keegan about him and a club like Liverpool, who should be competing for every major honour going, should not be resorting to fashionable ‘Spice Boy’-style signings like this any more. Not at that price, anyway. My verdict: I agreed. I think he's overrated. Decent going forward but can be terrible at the back. Still needs to develop his defensive game. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 3 2010, 02:51 PM |
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Mar 3 2010, 03:19 PM) "A great defender but not a great footballer" - I dont understand this line. great defender but not footballer. Can same goes to Messi and Ronaldo - great forward but shite at defending. It means to suggest heart & soul can mask one's shortcomings in terms of ability. He also said, "that's all that he needed", indicating that we never harped about Carra's poor technique (ever wonder why he boots the ball out all the time?) and finness because he wears his heart on his sleeve. He didn't need fantastic ability to become a legend amongst us.though glen johnson more suit for a winger not fullback. QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Mar 3 2010, 03:37 PM) Don't be so quick to judge. He had earlier posted a similar version focusing on the mancs. The three players he named were Michael Carrick, Nani and Nemandja Vidic |
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Some insight into the ongoing Allardyce-Benitez feud.
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QUOTE(papalisya @ Mar 4 2010, 09:06 AM) at present we don't really need a skillful defender but a reliable defender who is comfortable with the ball at his feet and does not panic when the likes of joe cole or craig bellamy runs at him. there must be someone out there with such credentials that our scouts had missed season after season. We already have one. His name is Daniel Agger. |
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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Mar 10 2010, 10:56 AM) Dude...did you forget Wigan also beat Chelsea? And Coca Cola or 3rd Division Teams beating Premier League teams in FA or Carling Cup? Did you see Real Madrid lose to some crappy Spanish team? AC Milan? Barca losing to Rubin Kazan twice? That means all the above teams suck huh? Do you realise how many times statement like these have been made this season alone? I don't really care how many underdog teams sprung surprises this season, the season before or the seasons before that. This isn't the first time we've lost in embarrasing fashion. You may be right in the context of one game, but you have to consider that many are reacting based on the entire season so far. Everybody have bad days and we just have one of them. I see that until this day, the excuses are still flying about. From match fixing to not having money. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not going to console myself. Fact of the matter is that in one season alone, we've turned from title contenders to also rans. Is the squad really that different from last season? One can blame the lack of funds, crooked match officials, a hectic fixure list, injuries and whatever, but ask yourself this. Was it any different last season or the season before? Were these elements already not part of the game? I can assure you that they still will be come next season and the season after that. Are we well placed for a fourth placed finish? Well let's look at the teams we've to play 1) Portsmouth (H) 2) Manchester United (A) 3) Sunderland (H) 4) Birminghan (A) 5) Fulham (H) 6) West Ham (H) 7) Burnley (A) 8) Chelsea (H) 9) Hull (A) Let's now look at how we fared in the first round of matches against the teams mentioned. 1) Portsmouth (H) = L (2-0) 2) Manchester United (A) = W (2-0) 3) Sunderland (H) = L (1-0) 4) Birminghan (A) = D (2-2) 5) Fulham (H) = L (3-1) 6) West Ham (H) = W (3-2) 7) Burnley (A) = W (4-0) 8) Chelsea (H) = L (2-0) 9) Hull (A) = W (6-1) Almost 50 - 50 eh? We have to consider though that while games against the likes of West Ham, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Hull and Burnley seem clearcut, the circumstances are somewhat different. As it is we've lost to Pompey and Sunderland. Now all the teams mentioned there are fighting relegation and we all know how much a boost in motivation or vice versa can influence the result of a match. Newly promoted teams have in recent history performed rather well early in the season because they have a point to prove. We only managed to win in Istanbul because of heroics from certain inspired individuals and the 12th man factor. Teams fighting relegation are in danger of losing out on millions if they go down. Players will be all out to prove their worth in hope of securing a place in another Premiership side should their current employers go down. Fear is arguably the greater motivator. Why do you think all ant-cigarette and alcohol ads set out to instill fear in it's consumers? Why don't they show you how a man with a miserable family life, change this around by giving up drinking? It's always the opposite. That leaves us with Manchester United and Chelsea, both who are fighting neck and neck for the title and will be high on motivation. A result against Chelsea at home? Perhaps as they are fairly inconsistent this season. A result against the mancs away? Looks highly unlikely but then again with us, you never know but we are a pale shadow of the team that triumphed there last season. Motivation. What is ours? Fear of not qualifying for Europe? I'm not sure that's enough. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 10 2010, 06:02 PM |
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Mar 10 2010, 06:05 PM
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Elite
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Drive? Yeah, walk on with hope in your heart eh? I harbour hope that some of the old posters will one day return and we can have quality discussion once again
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