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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Lille next!

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post Jan 18 2010, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 18 2010, 11:40 PM)
Is rafa to be blamed for huth's goal? Rafa sets the tactic, but the players apply them.

60% rafa - 20% yanks - 20% players?
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rafa 50% + 45% yankz + 5%player..

if yanks give enuf pesos to rafa then he can buy a good player so tis hard to happen tis season

if rafa use money on quality player instead of quanity we culd win trophy

if the player got gud motivation & quality we culd score more goal against stoke & before before before..


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post Jan 19 2010, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2010, 11:57 PM)
IF huh?

If only we can know what happen in future, there wont be any "If" here and there. rolleyes.gif
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some mistake at past really curse us rite now... but fate cant be change..

only kratos & prince persia can try changing their fate blink.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:00 AM)
If it's as simple as buying a quality player(s), real madrid wouldnt have lost until now.
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quality didnt mean 100m per player rolleyes.gif

arsenal can get fabregas (free?) , denilson(3.5m) , ramsey(5m)..
dey r all great although some didnt get much gameplay

chelsea buy drogba(24m) which far more impact than keane but less impact than torres(24m?) ..

unlike us..keane/gonzalez/dossena... dey still didnt make their name on anfield n then was sold oledi..
thre's no more player who played for us now when rafa bought since his 1st arrival on anfield,,
all was sold rclxms.gif



i dun like to tell more cry.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:07 AM)
Morale down due to bad management?  laugh.gif

Our most consistent players like Gerard and Carra played like shit.
They played like shit because of bad management? You mean they got a pay cut? Rafa abused them?
They are paid to play (they get paid even though they played like headless chicken), especially Cara, mistakes after mistakes.
He made mistake because of bad management? He made mistakes due to morale down?


Added on January 19, 2010, 12:10 am
Nope.
50% players (they are soldiers, they are paid to perform - not paid to make mistakes),
30% owners (can anyone tell me what's the owners' contributions?)
20% rafa.
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rafa buy the player..
if his buy is crap then the team is crap
let say rafa buy bramble instead agger,, then it will be disaster concede more goal
let say rafa take diouf instead torres .. then it will be funny


so the manager shape their team whistling.gif


Added on January 19, 2010, 12:28 am
QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:00 AM)
If it's as simple as buying a quality player(s), real madrid wouldnt have lost until now.
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3lost on away game is acceptable for league rather than lost at home for FA cup flex.gif

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post Jan 19 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:25 AM)
Look, every team has their star players.

Liverpool has Gerard. Liverpool didn't really pay any transfer fee. He's home grown.
What say you?

What would you do if our star player Gerard played like shit? Sell him?
Did Rafa pick a wrong captain? Rafa's fault?

Likewise, same applies to Keane/gonzalez/dossena.
Did Rafa pick a wrong player? Every fan was so excited when Rafa signed these players.
I still remember every Liverpool fan was so freaking happy with Liverpool signing Triple-H. 
What would you do if these players play like shit? Sell them? Blame game?
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homegrown exceptable larh... so why not we play separing instead of paying lucas(6m) ..
dey almost got same rating before lucas start more playing.. isnt waste payin 6m for another same ability..
what say u?
rafa fault?


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dude
if u go lfc forum..

-ppl argue wether robbie worth the 20m or not cz some said he's only 12m-16m
-dossena too.. 7m for italian who juz grading his game juz a season.. some said italian player not suit for english league but i ignore tis one
-bout gonzalez.. not really xcited cz i noe he's another nunez(still noe tis guy?)
not sure if ppl here xcited wether he can be our ronaldo but tats sound funny now biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:22 AM)
you must be an arsenal fan. FYI, fabregas wasn't as good as he's now before joining arsenal. It's not that they get him when he was already a top player like now.
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i know fab on fifa2007/06 not sure & see he's gonna be next thing after persie although his name isnt famous enuf..

if seeing his play when he 1st arrive, i can see he gonna be good cz of his technic , bravery , vision alhtough he didnt hav enuf assist.. but after his goal against juve then the guy improving like the 1 i nvr expected b4 i noe him yawn.gif

so fifa is better than rafa in term of finding talent rolleyes.gif

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i can expect wat ppl will reply to me so nid to reply :
stop dreaming in fifa / pes / lma as a reality.. dun judge player on game whistling.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:45 AM)
Robbie should worth 20m if he can perform. In fact, we all expected him to perform.
However, he did not have the kind of impact like Torres.

Dossena and Gonzalez are nowhere near perfect-cut diamond. Otherwise, they would have cost us 30-70m.
Face it. You gotta pay freaking lot for a perfect-cut diamond.

Is Gerrard a perfect cut diamond? See, he still played like shit.
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no mate he's not worth it..
depending on his age / lack or no european league stage / lack of WC stage ..
he juz worth a little than our ex bellamy doh.gif

hmmm i think evra from Manu almost near perfect-cut diamond and only cost 5.5m & he's become key member of united's defence based i read on wiki.. yet in real world he's too good..
shuld i tell bout gael clichy too? he also look sharp

gerrard' case.. i thnk he got no mood in our situation.. with current management & current player & lost of xabi..
maybe he flashback during 2004.. almost every position depend on him.. so after flashback tat, gerrard seems become emo rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:57 AM)
Rafa sees positive in Stoke match? This should not come out from the mouth of Rafa.
IMO, the owners should say this. I think it would give a better impact.
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no wonder bout rafa pal rolleyes.gif
even we lost straight 5games , he still say "We can bounce back."

i dunno wats in his mind whistling.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:42 AM)
I don't know anything but putting on someone like Kuyt who is in a rather bad form helps nothing.

We need a change. Pace , trickery of Pacheco sounds like a decent change.Untested it might be but it will remain untested until Rafa nod his head.
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+1 on this..

we need drop carra / kuyt & give chance to young blood so dey will compet to give their best icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 19 2010, 01:03 AM)
So, what you reckon he should say? We gonna get relegated? Smth like that?
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i hope he said something like '' i'm surrender with current condition so i wan to resign now''

but tats not gonna happen thumbup.gif

he said we gonna bounce back.. but nothing radicaly change in our current squad.. why not adding some youngster,, at least rafa got another option like he put insua long2 ago & realise that insuna better dossena .. mybe in his mind wuld said '' damn it..wat a wasting buyin tis f***ing slow fat italian.. insua is far better than the slug.. LMOA my 7m!!'' whistling.gif


Added on January 19, 2010, 1:13 am
QUOTE(sahathai @ Jan 19 2010, 01:08 AM)
yeah... and if we still loose.. then we can blame Rafa for using the unproven youngsters that looks so good in reserve games against a 3rd division youth team.. instead of using the experienced regular first team players..
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i can see somthin will bad happen b4 the match get started & wosshhh we lost gerro / benny /torre & result...
i'm telling the truth & i not lying wink.gif

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 01:14 AM)
Look at the stats of Robbie and his experience in premier league, Keane worth that much.
I don't think Liverpool would pay 20m if Tottenham agreed to release him at 12m. Remember, we need to pay the intended price in transfer market. 

ManU got a cheap diamond. Don't forget, ManU bought many expensive shitty diamonds too. They have money to buy and sell.
Everyone is admiring Arsenal for their young squad. However, that doesn't guarantee premier league title.
The multi-billion dollar club, Chelsea, has the most complete squad, if you ask me. They have many old players though.

Gerrard is paid to perform. He is supposed to lead the team.
He's not paid to be emo.
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bellamy total match - scored 402 - 140
keane total match - scored 505 - 191

not different enuf compare those 2 guys

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but i dun think evra is cheap diamond, but manu after lost queroz their shitty diamond (nani & anderson) bcome more shitty..
arsenal really hard to stick their team since always 1 core squad go every season.. tat really painful like us but dey still doin better after lose hleb / henry / flamini.
but us!!!! shakehead.gif

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yep he paid to perform.. even ronaldo in gerro place, he's oso gonna be emo.. the player oso good feeling not only us.. if dey desperately wan trophy dey will do their best like gerro did last year,, but dis year the team really out of competition even b4 december & thing get worse n worse
like teacher paid to teach but if seeing his student ignore every word their teacher said , then the teacher oso mood off.. if teacher said finish homework then s2dent not finish it.. if teacher said shut up then the s2dent keep talking.. if teacher punished the s2dent for their good then the student tell their parent against it.. even teacher oso off mood if tis current condition keep happening but dey juz doin their job but with all their spirit? who know
so even u r paid if the things not doin good tat kinda sux up..

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 09:32 AM)
You start to sound like a troll.
By your definition, Torres doesn't worth that much too. Torres is no different from Bellamy and Keanne (he played 214 matches and scored 82 goals for A.Madrid, 38%).

Evra was already well known wonderkid before he joined ManU.
Cheap diamond in terms of PRICE. 5.5million for a young captain-of-Monaco is so bloody darn cheap.
ManU got Evra cheap because Evra wanted to leave Monaco.
And Evra chose to join ManU over Liverpool and Arsenal.
ManU got a good bargain in this case. Evra got his dream-come-true. Just typical case.

I don't understand your teacher-student analogy.
The team out of competition because the team played like SHIT.
We have got almost the same squad like previous season. We have got the same stubborn Rafa and useless Americans too.
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depending on
his age
his skill
captained at the age of 19
1st team in spain
he won the 2002 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship. He finished as a top scorer
Torres made his 60th appearance for Spain in a 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification victory over Turkey on 28 March 2009, becoming the youngest player to reach this milestone
He scored seven goals in 11 appearances in qualifying for the 2006 FIFA World Cup,[79] making him Spain's top scorer for qualification

he worth more than that dude...

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yeah like i said quality player didnt mean high $$$ .. if the manager know how to find & train it then dey can be next quality player... shuld i tell bout ashley young from aston villa too???

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u said the player r paid to perform then stated gerro r not paid to emo.. tats y i put teacher case...
if thing going not well in team n management, even player r paid 100m per min then the player still cant perform on he expected vmad.gif it' called ''FRUSTATING''
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QUOTE(azrulkamal240 @ Jan 19 2010, 01:53 AM)
u are an arsenal fan rite skeleton202? it seems like u back them so much.. hmm...  shakehead.gif


Added on January 19, 2010, 2:07 am“They have had a dip in form, but everyone has to get behind them. It is easy to criticise the manager now, but it is about getting behind him and that is what Liverpool Football Club is about.

"Look at the end of last year – they had a fantastic finish and then you think we are going to win the league this year.

“You don’t become a bad team overnight and we have to try and get behind the manager and the players to get that confidence back.”

-Ian Rush-
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i not arsenal fan.. i juz wan to example cz dey oso didnt spend much on player but dey still can kick reading ass with their youngster..
but us!!! the whole team almost cost 50m but we lost 2-1 to a low budget team who in low division at ANFIELD
THAT f***


Added on January 19, 2010, 1:38 pm
QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jan 19 2010, 01:29 PM)
i laughed at seeing "sell gerrard to fund rafa exit".
next sell torres, & the whole LFc to save LFc. (sniger)
sorry, off topic a little  laugh.gif
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Mike // Jan 18, 2010 at 8:00 pm

The fact that Lucas is having a good season at Liverpool shows how bad the team is. 21 games no goals 5 yellows. Everytime I’ve seen him he looks Championship quality at best.


Chris // Jan 19, 2010 at 12:03 am

I agree with Mike. If Lucas is our top player (an avarage player at best) then that shows level of our high standard has dropped dramatically and result have easily proven that we r u CRAP!!! I still think the £38m spent on aquilani and Johnson has cost us!! When that money could of got us three players including a backup for torres!


thejay // Jan 19, 2010 at 3:17 am

are u guys retarded? and no.. i dont want an answer. lucas is at most mediocre, trying to replace xabis role as a creative player with lucas is just.. yes u guessed right.. retarded.. but this is what the situation looks like and if people like chris and rafa would stop thinking “quantity” and start thinking “quality” we would have a versatile team in a couple of seasons that could still manage to produce even without stevie g and torres!


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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Jan 19 2010, 02:41 PM)

which obviously costs us a lot of important points n hampered his confidence level to the point of being useless. try to imagine that as a player, when your own fans dislike u, when u playing u cant get the emotion of being support by your own home team crowds..

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lucas is paid to perform. He is supposed to lead the team.
He's not paid to be emo. biggrin.gif

i editted tat sentences tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 19 2010, 03:02 PM)
Someone should try telling Rafa that as well.
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yup we oso a human too..
glad i juz watch from tv,, how bout fan from there who paid the ticket & see their team shuffling like frog..
dey r human not an orc vmad.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 03:12 PM)
Emo? Who started saying our players are emo?
I'd say our players play like shit.

Emo Gerrard? Emo Carra? Emo Reina? Emo Torres? Emo Rafa? Emo American?
They got castrated?
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gerrard play like f***ing blowjob shit cz he got no mood to play for us..

gerrard emo mean all bout other player to perform..
plus other player oredi f***ing super scumshot shit even b4 dey play.. tats why our team play like shit..

in shit we trust
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pep comin liverpool.. he must be laughing when noe tis retard rumour..
better no doh.gif
we already a laugh stock,, so better not worse anymore
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 19 2010, 09:43 PM)
No one is saying that he is coming.You got some reading problem? We hope he come.No one said the papers are linking him with us.
What retard rumour?Only retard call it retard rumour because there is no rumour to begin with.
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ceh i tot we were link to him doh.gif
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i've heard liverpool on talking on mallorca 21year old rb fellipe mattioni..
heard tis guy is future prospect
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QUOTE(demio121 @ Jan 21 2010, 08:55 PM)
i have different take on this.

sum of the player are paid more in a week than i can make in a year.  I go to work 830am till 530pm at least.  On a busy day i go back late.  At time i work thru the night.

if these footballer tell me they are overplayed with 3 games in a week, pls think about those like me or ppl less fortunate then me.

so... player overplayed... to me, there is no such thing.  there are just greedy player wanting more $$$.
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yes agreed...
student go to school from 7am to 4pm but still no paid.. tats more harsh..


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in rafa we trust

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