Would like to enquiry that is the above pivot mega raizin universal(Can be fitted on any car models)?
As there are some freaks saying that this stabilizer only suitable for turbo charge cars..
isit true?
would like to heed some advice from fellow shi fu and guru here
thanks

It does stabilized the voltage/headache that get thru all the way from battery to sick alternator.Much like give good flow of current to the alternator.

But if its FAKE/IMITATION,say bye bye la !

Nowadays all made in Taiwan right?
does it function the same as the original?
heard from accessories shop that it function the same way

yup the voltage stabilizer can be fitted to any car....

even for fake/imitation/replica it will still work. some guy even made it himself, still able to achieve the same effect.

it just those original and branded one will come with extensive testing and some do dyno test.

orh icic
thanks for the infos bros
who replied to my new topic

dat freak is stupid

Wow....sifu catacombs spoken....

who say its only for turbocharged cars?

Why,normal car no need electricity to run ah.Actually,voltage stabiliser depends on which car models.Those premium car already have very good voltage stabiliser and grounding.This is more towards proton and perodua or basic cars.Inside contains a couple of big capacitor with high discharge rate.They help flatten out your electricity current curve during high load like when your compressor kicks in by releasing their charge to compensate the sudden drop in voltage.

Or if you are a fuzzy guy with an expensive audio system in car,this voltage stabiliser does help alot.It also prevent headlight dimming when your compressor kicks in but that one leaves much to be desired cause some reported that their headlights still dim after installing one.

Buying pirated or original one does not matter but if you are looking at china made one,buy one with good and proper capacitors and at least with a properly made outer casing.You dont want to buy one with shoddy casing that melts or cant stand engine heat and cracks etc.

its usually mounted on your car battery side.

Performance wise,does not make any difference and also towards FC.No noticeable changes so all those hoo - ha about increase in hp or FC is pure bullshyt and is just a marketing gimmick.

This post has been edited by 779364: Jan 14 2010, 12:26 AM

ok bro
thanks for ur clear explanation of how this thing work outs
thnaks

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Added on January 14, 2010, 3:22 pmsorry about raising this topic again
how to check whether it is a imitation of the product
nowadays all are import from taiwan right?
even though the supplier said that it is from Japan
any difference between Japan And Taiwan made?
Can the outer Casing of the product dertermine whether it is imitation or original?

This post has been edited by lolss: Jan 14 2010, 03:22 PM

Check pivot website.You'll get the answer.

it have K mark on capacitor....even now taiwan made also have K mark....dulu X mark now there copy almost 100% like original....

aiya.. any voltage stabilizer will work one lahh... pay few hundred bucks on minor improvement where cheap cheap one can do the same...

Wah. Sifu skywalker has spoken


Actually smaller caps discharge faster. Just that they can't store more and you need combinations of big and small to even out the fluctuation.

junk la this mumbo jumbo stuff
if think properlly where got engine use battery power after the engine is running ?????
that 1 is alternator job d
if switch on headlamp and aircond sure will like weak for a sec cause draw alot power ma
ya put this junk will reduse the efecct but worth it ka ?????
some even spend 500 for all this mumbo jumbo
all this is acc shop punya hype la

haha.. i also dunno why people willing to pay up to 500bux for a voltage stabilizer which only make 0.01% difference in performance... somemore wanna insist in original...

so whats the hierarchy here??... original > custom made > imitation??...
custom made voltage stabilizer better than imitation voltage stabilizer??...

u buy ori 1 then put the sticker beside ur car will increase ur horsepower 1 ma dunno ka u ???
sifu wor

my car not sticker-tuned yet la

ngv sicker tuned d ma

mine keng 1
rust effect tune

VS, grounding kits most of them can help <0.00000001%. Rather than wasting moeny to get a piece of junk, why not spend some money by getting a good quality battery?
Battery is used to starting the car, then alternator will do all the works. Every equipment in the car are built to operate at 10-15V, so it cause any damage. But a soon to die alternator will kill the equipments. At such point, even junks can't help you.

good battery provides more stable voltage supply??..

he sound like a pro. heh watdehelloanybodyhome after reading such comment.

I'm not a pro, just that I'm very sure that there's no point on adding junks.
And please, if you having problem on understanding my reply, keep your mouth shut and don't simply type....

sukati akulah nak type ape. aku peduli ape. forum ni bkn bapak sapa2 punya pun. org type rubbish blh, bukak topic rubbish blh, xkan aku nak type ape2 dlm ni xblh. aku peduli apa.

I only notice the VS works on Perodua... My fren tried on Vios and BLM... didn't notice much diff, except the headlight didn't dimm that much when compressor kicks in.
They are using the ori-VS from Raizin....

toyota and saga blm have good voltage regulator build in the alternator so not much diffrent
this can be cannot be sure as u must take the car age as a factor
as car get older the part start to wear out , bla , bla , bla
like mine saga i pull the cable of the post and use copper brush gosok gosok until kilat
the effect like they say on the voltage stabilizer lo
air cond kick in not so dramatic

this so called votage stabilizer is just capasitor to provide short voltage for short while only
this was by audio entuatist because they put in big sub and amp to give the boom boom they want for competiton
so when u use big amp and big sub the voltage require will diffrent because of the changes of bass note in a music track
so the capasitor was use to provide extra power when the amp needed it

Wow, big amp with big sub must add junk... That's another myth by some people, especially have direct interest in this field....
I also have a "big" amp and "big" sub, but I never have lights dimming issue....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZqCdrd_uAs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SHUrViDWA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA94zn6-9sU&feature=related


this is called spl competitior
jackass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by sinister_sid: Jan 19 2011, 01:40 PM

Using 2 250A alternator....With engine running.... By theory it will be getting 500A of current.... And he never state got any junk added....

haiz u correct la sifu
btw i dun endorse ppl to use this junk
i just saying that who started using this thingamagic

Magic? Because those says a junk is good to their system never do their homework and research properly...

+1

+2 +3 +4 +5 +6......
Indeed, getting those so-called original capacitors will help in 0.1-0.2V for 0.5-1 seconds indeed are smart..... Only the stupid won't waste money for such improvements.....

either is original or imitation .. it do help improve the car electric circulation .. which could provide better light vision from ur headlamp,sound system,enfine performance... but this all also depends on certain car .. and the age of the car ..

Since you are so good on this junk(in terms of knowledge), can it make my ~8 year old car's headlight that already turned yellow brighter without changing to brighter bulbs? If this piece of junk can help, I retract my words.

BTW, no wonder you die hard say a junk is good, because you are selling it..... Conflict of interest....

change new bulb will have better effect... bulbs do have lifespan... same goes to ur household florescent lamp... it gets dimmer over time...

^Yes, you get my point..... Lights dimmed add junk? That's a joke....

many people dunno one alwiz get conned by accessory shop saying add this and dat lor... datz why they spend unnecessary money on stuff which does not bring much good...

dun say junk laa... they just dont worth the amount u pay for...

You adding something and it helps means it is something.
If you add something and never helps, it is called junk.
Just like food, food that brings no nutrition is called junk food...

lol, better buy e-manage la or change the whole car wiring to new one.. compare buy this junk of no use at all.. summore most of the car using it is new car, for wht meh? even me 15 years old injection car not using this junk...
well anyone can say anything, but do think b4 write down, use meat inside ur head ya, we here mostly discuss professionally..

wow dunno got such kiasu person here!

Wow, lucky inside my head got brain only.....

Boss cooled down . I think whole lyn know ur point d la . What u so pissed off about ? Some ppl cannot affort big mod ma so they tempted to buy this thing hope will boost performance ma . In the end it is marketing hype

That's why we must let people know about this.... rm1++ I can buy 1 drum of alcohol which will really boost my RON to 99 and my car can fly, haha....
But 1st run failed on RON increased test and passed the fuel injection cleaner test.... Again, this is a good savings for me(1 bottle of fuel injection cleaner cost rm20-30)
And I never pissed on that.... Why do I need to?

ops.. a really harsh word i said.. apologize for my rudeness, coz this topic discuss many times b4.. still people open as new thread, maybe need to make as sticky topic about this kind of product.. just to inform them which one is working n which one is working great..
again sorry for my rudeness..

people's money... they wanna buy up to them lo... if we pour cold water later they emo pulak....

I'll admit one thing... I did install this Pivot thingy on my old 1990 Mitsubishi Galant VR4 and while I don't see any improvement in power and consumption, it did however made the car easier to start on Sunday (I only start the car every Sunday). Without it, I will need to crank a few times to get it started.

On my smart, this thingy produced many side effects and the car ended up in limp mode (ECU detected errors).

This post has been edited by acbc: Jan 23 2011, 09:53 AM

Alternator/battery and capacitor huge different is their discharge rate.

Those current surge/voltage drop can only compensated with capacitor (instantaneous,extremely short time), even if your alternator got 1000A also useless, it just can't compensate fast enough compare to capacitor.

Try to think about that, every PSU circuit they are main filter/supply caps, what the purpose? Same as what i said above.

I'm R&D engineer in electrical field, i'm talking neither based on my book nor my cock, but from my research and result from expensive testing equipment.

Still add or not is up to you, becos most of the electrical equipment such as amp and player adi got such same function cap inside, just that usually the value is too small to store enough charges. If your car alternator is bad in nature, add or DIY cap aka VS will help a little bit.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Jan 24 2011, 06:12 PM

If I not mistaken, we should change cable to bigger (1/0 Awg) for Alternator to Battery (+) & ground cable from Battery (-) to chasis as well. This will help rather than add what so call voltage stabilizer. Welding cable with thicker core highly recommendable. Can compare between cable use by BMW/MERC/AUDI with Proton/Toyota/Honda/Kia/Hyundai..

where to find this thicher cable
i want to do battery relocation to boot but have hard time sourcing cable

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Actually you no need thicker cable, that's a busted myth from US audio forums.... What you need to do is, ask your foreman to take out the connector and clean it.... Make it this way :
1. an 1/0AWG power cable can transfer 200-300A of current.
2. a standard alternator output usually rated 75-120A.
So, will it really improve your system? I in doubt. If really worry about this, even a 4AWG power cable from US are more than enough... I never buy cable in Malaysia, as the cost for 1ft I already can buy 1M which having better quality....

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Added on January 26, 2011, 1:41 pmhttp://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KFX4BK
20ft should be enoguh for you on this.... So (20*1.55+13.50)*3.1=rm137.95.. And it will reach to your door steps within 2 weeks time.... I'm using it and very happy with it....

This post has been edited by kyheng: Jan 26 2011, 01:41 PM

Actually you no need thicker cable, that's a busted myth from US audio forums.... What you need to do is, ask your foreman to take out the connector and clean it.... Make it this way :

Yes, it is busted myth from US audio forums but the most funny thing/part has been adopt by all luxury cars especially BMW, MERC, AUDI, ASTON & etc.. even Ferrari as well. .. Opps I forgot U just drive Wira everyday, so never own 1 before... don't said your frend own 1 laa coz that is your trademark since in zth.. . haa haa.. after 6 years I absent, your attitude same as before.. I'm very pity to you, so sad.

1. an 1/0AWG power cable can transfer 200-300A of current.

at least better than standard stock cable with more current flow to Battery


2. a standard alternator output usually rated 75-120A.
So, will it really improve your system? I in doubt. If really worry about this, even a 4AWG power cable from US are more than enough... I never buy cable in Malaysia, as the cost for 1ft I already can buy 1M which having better quality....

Based on what U claim 1ft price same as 1m long, which hardware u go... as I know just RM6.50 per meter for 200a & RM8.00 per meter for 300a..

err.. my friend use thicker cable sure got improvement especially when cranking the engine..
even his ecu need to be retune coz power supply b4 n after done install thicker cable increase the power supply to injector later then increase the fuel injected to engine..

So, that's the best you can do? Ask your friend to come, I'm ready for your gang's stuffs.... Everything is being calculated when car manufacturers come out a new model, or you trying to say you are clever and they are stupid? Even my another question also you chickened out... I know you want to do business here, but then please do it in the ethic way.... I also know you are trying your best to mislead others but do indicate what's the alternator output for the cars you mentioned? Or you are trying to say those car's alternator only outputs 50-75A of current?
http://www.car-stuff.com/bmwalternator.htm
So, what type of power cable to use for a 155A output alternator, can normal smaller power cable cater for this? I know, you just want to insult me, but please, get some facts first before you want to do so....
http://www.car-stuff.com/mercedesalternator.htm
Oh boy, this is Merc's alternator, 150A....
http://www.car-stuff.com/audialternator.htm
This is Audi's, again, 150A....
And welding cable do sell cheap, but it is flexible? Again, you never state....

If you were to insult me, I guess you just failed today.....

yup, agree with kyheng.. for thick cable use inside car need to be flexible, if not later on crack due to vibration, heat, n cold environment...

no need to double standard la, all car still a car right? fast or slow, xpensive or not all its still a car..

Temperature won't affect much on the cable's insulation... Malaysia is not a 4 season country.... But under those countries, the insulations really can be damage due to this....
A car is car, in some sense I do agree with you. But then our friend want to do business and I stand in his way, so he will try his best to mislead other that I'm wrong.... Out of those brands, did he take out other car's with lower alternator output? He never... Because if he do like this, it is same as he is slapping his own face.....
Have to know that, comparing apple to banana always the best way to mislead others.

then just ignored him.. people nowadays quite clever too, let people judge.. peace bro.. hehe

^^Yeah, you are right.... Peace man, peace... That's why do own research will be the best....

haa haa 2nd Trademark normally use for last bullet...

Yes, I do a business.. but not in ft or meter but in barrel.. If U want order can but must paid 3 month in advance for September 2011 delivery.. Market now USD86.41, I dont deliver 1/3, 1/2 of my monthly production. Only deal for the whole month production, daily production is 250,000 barrel. 30 x 250,000 x USD86.41 x 3 = RM1,944,225,000-00 (Shipment at your own cost).. If agree can PM me..

2nd business also not in ft or meter but in inch, the smaller 1 is 3" price USD121,600 per unit and the bigger 1 is 12" price USD980,000 per unit.

Because your the only 1 is clever here..

I give you simple test.. U have 5 liter bottle need to fill up with water at your sink but U have prob coz pipe & sink did not have lot free space to feed the bottle under the pipe. So U need a pipe hose to fill it.. here my question.. which 1 take faster time to fill the water into your 5 liter bottle? 1" hose pipe diameter or >3" hose pipe diameter.....

base on that, you think 5 liter bottle as BATTERY, the pipe as ALTERNATOR & hose pipe as Power Cable... Using Thicker cable doesn't mean can increase current in your car system but can make your battery recharge faster than Small or standard cable.

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Added on January 27, 2011, 12:38 amThis is a craps statement.... but kyheng did not have problem on it even he said earlier, his change to 4awg cable.. so he need to retune his wira ECU..

This post has been edited by Oldskolboyz: Jan 27 2011, 12:38 AM

err.. i do hv a prove bro, i got actual car which its my friend car n the car is fairlady 300ZX.. his car as below picture, still dont believe it then please come to shah alam i will escort u to see the car..
ur word seem u kinda know a lot, but just writing anyone can do.. please be more professional in replying here, here we share the knowledge not insulted anyone, if anyone wrong please do correct him/her.. try to be nice with other people 1st, then people start to threat u nice later

This post has been edited by amad108: Jan 27 2011, 01:03 AM


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Actually who the 1 bashing others opinion here at the 1st place, "that's a busted myth from US audio forums".. did we talk audio here. To me, his message carry "Stupid Fella try to consult others with stupid idea".. I own 350z...

The most I hate this fella always "ACCUSED" others people doing "OWN BUSINESS" here... that not my level laaa... pleasedddd laaa

This post has been edited by Oldskolboyz: Jan 27 2011, 02:05 AM

amad108, see how this coward hide his fear... When I able to show something, he quickly use other statements to continue insults me and run away from the original question... Typical screen dumb.. But then the name is right suit him, oldskolboyz... He still thinks that what he and his gang used 6 years(group bash) can use on today...
And that statement on myth does not only applies on audio, it can be used on other matter. What requires more power than audio system? Coward, you can drift from this question like you always does, the old school way you did last time. 6 years ago, people might be stupid enough and may listen to you on your flaws, but not now....

This post has been edited by kyheng: Jan 27 2011, 08:08 AM

haiz.. nevermind la, i just show my point..
between even u (oldskolboyz) hv GTR35 it really does'nt matter to me, coz good car need a good driver, if not its just a waste..
even me only using wira, still i appreciate it a lot.. the car can give me goose bump sometimes, n adrenalin rush happen quite a numbers when drove it.. so wht car u drive as long it can give u joy consider the best car for him/her...

kyheng: just let it be bro.. hehe

haa... haa.. this is a new... condem people nickname, I tot you only have 2 trademark, after 6 years I did no how many trademark you create/keep..
Thanks to proof your are the most professional members in LYN.. my simple test didn't answer? what you want to proof/show here...

Indeed have to let it be, let the coward to continue bark as he like, haha.... 7 years must do engine top overhul... What a joke man....

Try to disconnect the battery and drive the car ~ see ur alternator will kong or not ~

Alternator job is to SUPPORT the current of the Battery , the main electric for the car is produce by the Battery ~

i last time my connector at the battery a bit loose, so when the car vibrate coz of hitting holes (on the road) my engine died for a while n running again, n i try high beam again my engine died for a while n running again as soon i let go the high beam switch.. so even while driving, power from battery still being used..

Closed circuit = current can pass...
Opened circuit = current cannot pass...
When alternator's cable being discnnoected(opened circuit), how the alternator will kong?
Then another stupid question that always come in to my mind, alternator's output voltage higher or battery's voltage higher when the car is running?

haha.. seriously dude, dunno about that..
so for people hv voltage reading actually read it from where? alternator or battery or anywhere can be located?

should that we need to care more on alternator then the battery.
the battery remain charging mode while alternator works for cuircuit.

Altaernator producing 13.5-14.4V while battery is 12-12.5V.... Because of this, alternator can charge back the battery at a specific rate... Without engine started, the voltage will be 12-12.5V... It does not matter much where you tak your easurements, provided the place you put the probe are clean and low resistance...
Always keep you battery terminals clean.
BTW, I have a "special" problem now, after park the car for >8 hours, I can start the car easily... But when I park my car for <8 hours or start and stop by to buy something, I will be having problem to start my car back...

u think remote control of ur tv ah ????
battery drain out go charge with battery charger ????
do some uncle google before speak ????
the main eletric for the car is produce by the battery ????????
what a joke
so u run city no need use alternator la

^^That's why post#71 is there....
But, battery do have its function also, producing initial power to start your car... That's all. Other than that, alternator is doing the job... Unless you got a sound system that really requires very high power and can bring the voltage down to 12V or slightly below, else the battery power won't be used....

my car got no sound system anymore.. hv been use my batt for more then 2 years.. not free maintenance batt (b4 this use Bosch S4 only last for 1 n half years, dunno why.. huhu), but keep the batt terminal clean is good tips.. hehe

^^dirty terminals are not good at all.... Especially when your car engine compartment are hot.... I already zoom down to my dirty terminals, just that now already CNY, so lazy a bit to take it out and clean the terminals... Already made a stupid mistake once, don't want to make second time.... But this time around I may add another ground from engine back to battery(since I got new battery terminals)...

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Added on February 1, 2011, 9:10 pmBut then a lot people don't know about this and start adding junk just to sweep the actual problem under the carpet..

This post has been edited by kyheng: Feb 1 2011, 09:10 PM

try to start your car then take out the battery then drive around. 30 minutes later your car will stall. Unless you drive a car with carb engine, the mention symptom is common among all fuel injector cars. The car does consumes power from the battery even when it's in motion. The difference is it's not all the time. When you rev your car higher, ultimately you're generating more power than you use hence charges the battery with the surplus energy.

We can go around debating. If battery is only use to start an engine, we can just buy a 12 volt small battery to start the car.

Personally do not believe in Pivot products (except for Raizin Spark). Go for either Guangdao or Hot Inazma. You'd be surprised at the vast difference in performance that they can provide you as compared to Pivot's VS.

cannot la... if use small 12v battery, the ampere is small... it wont be sufficient to crank the starter...

+1.. my car cannot start even using jumper cable from myvi.. even recharge for 30min no use.. then my friend try put the battery directly (which need to hold up-side down) then can start..
the cranking power for each engine r different, that's why there's a lot of type of battery with different cranking power..

anyone sell high amp cable?

http://www.knukonceptz.com/index.cfm
Buy from here, cheaper and good quality cables....
Best of all, weak USD....

sry for bumping old topic (been using the search function).

is it advisable to put a VS in the car?
looking at their arguments, i would say its more towards 'against VS'.

however, looking at forumer selling VS, customers' feedbacks are positive....quite confusing @.@

Depends on what you want out of the VS. I was like you before, thinking whether to fit one or not?
Well, I went ahead and the only good thing about them is I got a slightly better less flickering lights and a better sounding audio that all.....

actually for my car (also ur car), i dont really notice the flickering lights & bad audio quality though....
mind if i ask which VS did u purchase?
Cos I'm undecided on some home-made VS: eric(100,000uF) for 160, or some malay dude (180,000uF) for 250.
The malay dude 1 looks more economical

If the car is fair new, you won't get the flickering problem. Older cars with older wiring are more prone to it.
As for the audio, after fitting the bass is more solid and tweeter also clearer, but there is one VS that is dedicated to audio set up and that is the Pivot Raizin Black. I have fitted the Pivot Raizin Blue that is attached to the battery. That time bought at RM150....

VS is a joke...... Grounding is a thing

Especially when the grounding is grounded directly to the cylinder head to each spark plugs/ignition coil

Grounding for older car will be good. Newer cars like no effect as the wires still new.....

I also thought vs is a joke till I try one. Turns out if your battery is bad or aged, it can help. But If have a good battery it shouldn't have much performance on the engine. Hehe

But as long as my audio sounds better also good enough......

Nope,normally car leave the factory with either 1 or 2 grounding cable to the car body and engine block....usually this wire are thin in size and aren't efficient enough to flow electricity when full load,if u don't believe it u can measure using a electronic amp meter

By using heavy gauge cable,the electricity flows better hence bigger spark are produced at the spark plug so more power can be produced.....

Grounding cable are cheap,there is no reason to go buy those HKS Grounding Cable which are freaking expensive and many imitation out there now,use AMP Power cable that measure around 6-4AWG and connect from negative side of battery to different point of chasis and engine,this option is much cheaper but require DIY

Nowadays not too sure, because those older days, cars comes with thicker grounding cable. Only nowadays, newer cars comes with thinner grounding cables. These should have been calculated by the Car manufacturer already.....

Reduce cost ma bang....if Manufacture made everything perfect then all aftermarket tuners like HKS can balik kampung tanam jagung dy

But as you say, grounding cable is cheap, save how much......only short wire from engine to car body......

different people will have different view and feel ..
u should buy 1 and install on it and u get the answer ..

honestly .. VS and Grounding cable will more toward electronic device on ur car .. for performance wont have big different or maybe there just slightly ..
but i do install and dismantle for testing .. i do give result in performance ..

my car currently got 3 set of VS and bunch of grounding cable ..
once i dismantle all the stuff bak to stock .. i dint feel lighten throttle on my car . .