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 Dizzy When Watching Movies Using POHD, Could it be the 24p?

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post Jan 10 2010, 06:52 PM, updated 16y ago

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While watching movies using my POHD with 24p set to ON, I feel very dizzy especially panning actions but when I set to off, I still feel dizzy but it is reduced. What is this exactly? Is this what we called Motion Judder? My TV supports 1080p/24Hz.

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post Jan 10 2010, 07:35 PM

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Yes, it is motion judder. Happens to me too. One way to reduce the effect is to use higher refresh, for e.g. 120Hz. Use your TV function to add frames so that the panning is not so "jerky". Try to make it a multiple of 24. My TV can only do 50Hz and 60Hz, and I find 50Hz is a better setting for me.
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post Jan 10 2010, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(cosmicmeadow @ Jan 10 2010, 07:35 PM)
Yes, it is motion judder. Happens to me too. One way to reduce the effect is to use higher refresh, for e.g. 120Hz. Use your TV function to add frames so that the panning is not so "jerky". Try to make it a multiple of 24. My TV can only do 50Hz and 60Hz, and I find 50Hz is a better setting for me.
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How do you change the setting from the TV?
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post Jan 10 2010, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jan 10 2010, 10:22 PM)
How do you change the setting from the TV?
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it has to have this function first.. able to accept 24Hz input and also multiple frame rate to 72hz...
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:00 AM

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The Panasonic 42S10K that I'm using can supports 1080p/24fps
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:05 AM

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when you say support, that is input that it supports,
what is the output...
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 11 2010, 12:05 AM)
when you say support, that is input that it supports,
what is the output...
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Not sure about the output, you mean something like frame interpolation thingy?
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jan 11 2010, 12:06 AM)
Not sure about the output, you mean something like frame interpolation thingy?
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frame interpolation means create new frame that is different from the source..

this means doubling or tripling of the same frame..
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:24 AM

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Meaning to say the TV must be able to interpolates the frames in order to reduce the judders?
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post Jan 11 2010, 01:07 AM

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http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm


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post Jan 11 2010, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jan 11 2010, 12:00 AM)
The Panasonic 42S10K that I'm using can supports 1080p/24fps
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The S10 I believe accepts 24fps, however, I suspect refreshes it at 24Hz or 60Hz. Thus it seems juddery. The G I believe refeshes at 48Hz. The V refreshes at 96Hz.

Correction, in Asia, on the Z and the V series do proper 24Hz.

Also, echoesian, what r u using as a source? Is it set to convert the framerates? I ask this becoz some media players have only 1 fixed output. If u r mismatching the actual content with the output frame rate this will yield and extremely juddery film.

Edit: Saw that u use the ACRyan. Check to see if ur source frame rate is being modified by the Ryan.

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post Jan 11 2010, 11:07 AM

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Bro Anfieldude do U have any info for Sammy B650 plasma on this 24p thinggy?

Thanks.
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post Jan 11 2010, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jan 11 2010, 11:07 AM)
Bro Anfieldude do U have any info for Sammy B650 plasma on this 24p thinggy?

Thanks.
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I think the Sammys refresh at 48Hz. I'm not too sure, I will have to check and get back to u.
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Thanks bro...I can't find that info anywhere... sad.gif
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post Jan 11 2010, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 11 2010, 09:48 AM)
The S10 I believe accepts 24fps, however, I suspect refreshes it at 24Hz or 60Hz. Thus it seems juddery. The G I believe refeshes at 48Hz. The V refreshes at 96Hz.

Correction, in Asia, on the Z and the V series do proper 24Hz.

Also, echoesian, what r u using as a source? Is it set to convert the framerates? I ask this becoz some media players have only 1 fixed output. If u r mismatching the actual content with the output frame rate this will yield and extremely juddery film.

Edit: Saw that u use the ACRyan. Check to see if ur source frame rate is being modified by the Ryan.
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more importantly, we have to identify which TV properly identifies 24HZ from 23.97..


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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jan 11 2010, 11:26 AM)
Thanks bro...I can't find that info anywhere... sad.gif
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post Jan 11 2010, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 11 2010, 01:22 PM)
more importantly, we have to identify which TV properly identifies 24HZ from 23.97..


Added on January 11, 2010, 1:25 pm

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post Jan 11 2010, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 11 2010, 01:22 PM)
more importantly, we have to identify which TV properly identifies 24HZ from 23.97..


Added on January 11, 2010, 1:25 pm

buy first as guinea pig, then complain here to let us know, if it's not doing it correctly..  biggrin.gif
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ar188,

I know the Pioneer can identify 24Hz vs 23.976Hz and refresh accordingly. I think the Sammys do it as well correctly, if u disable the MotionPlus stuff and turn of the processed mode.

Some others I am not too sure, but I suspect Sony does it correctly as well.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 11 2010, 09:48 AM)
The S10 I believe accepts 24fps, however, I suspect refreshes it at 24Hz or 60Hz. Thus it seems juddery. The G I believe refeshes at 48Hz. The V refreshes at 96Hz.

Correction, in Asia, on the Z and the V series do proper 24Hz.

Also, echoesian, what r u using as a source? Is it set to convert the framerates? I ask this becoz some media players have only 1 fixed output. If u r mismatching the actual content with the output frame rate this will yield and extremely juddery film.

Edit: Saw that u use the ACRyan. Check to see if ur source frame rate is being modified by the Ryan.
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For example, if I were to watch a 1080p/24fps movie, I can only set the HDMI output of the POHD to 1080p/60Hz or 1080p/50Hz and there is a setting to on/off the 24p. When I set the 24p to ON, whichever the output (1080p/60 or 1080p/50) feels very dizzy. When I set the 24p to OFF, the outputs also dizzy but I can see it reduces a bit.
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Haha high or low blood pressure that cause this?

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