Anyone care to make comparisons between a 428/508XG with either a S10/G10?
I am currently torn between the S10/G10 and the 428/508. Help!!

Bro Demon, it is better to bring yr favourite disc to test out @ yr normal viewing distance. Let yr eyes to decide. Do take note S10, G10 & 428/508 are different league lo... also the price...

apple n orange?

i now have pana g10..superb plasma for the price..4.5k..u'll get deep black depth n very good motion handling..n natural color..here in penang still can find pioneer 428xg..last time the price was 4599..for me..as for now..i think it is best to go for pana 42g10..if u can wait sometime..around 4 months time..pana will release new LED LCD TV..

Different league? But same price range ma. Thanks, I plan to go check them all out.

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Added on January 11, 2010, 9:08 amI don't want an LED LCD TV. I prefer a plasma since I'm gonna use it for BD movies.

The G10 and the 428 have good black levels. Does the G10 better the 428 in this department? It's hard to see it in a shop because they are usually brightly lit so I need a owner's perspective.
The other main difference here is the resolution. Will it make a difference to a normal person? G10' full HD and 428XG is not.

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 11 2010, 09:08 AM

G10 vs 428

I will take G10 for:-

newer tech
fullHD
428 is like produce in 2006/2007 ago

unless u go for KRP500/600, then I don't see why u don't want the Panny G series....

Although I'm a plasma user and also loves to go around checking out new and good stuff, comparing this and that..

I personally find LEDLCD TV very attractive...especially Samsung series 7 & 8....and I meant it for movies...

G10 does not reach the black levels of the 428. Nor does it have the colour accuracy of the 428. Another area where the 428 is better is the availibility of the 9 point gamma correction for better overall greyscale and gamma.

I believe the G10 and the 428 are pretty close in Lumens/Watt technology, however the G10 is slightly higher in that aspect since it was newer.

Resolution wise of course the G10 is Full HD vs 428 which is only 1024X768.

Will u notice the resolution difference, only u can tell. Ur viewing distance of 6ft comes into the territory of where u shd see the difference.

However, in my opinion on a 42in set, the pixels are already very close to each other, some people will not see a difference on moving pictures. On static images, difference will be there, again depending on how observant u r.

On ar188 comment, on scaling artefacts, I have not seen them on actual Blu Ray content but on actual test patterns it can be observed, albeit subtlely. There is no actual jagged edges, however, on 1080p test patterns, there are instances of loss of resolution.

I have also found that in my case to reduce the artefacts due to downscaling on test patterns, being able to output 720p from a capable Blu Ray player reduces these instances. Again, it does not seem to matter when viewing actual HD material, especially since the 428 is capable of accepting 1080p/24Hz and reproducing it at 72Hz. This is an area that I am not sure if the G addresses.

All in all, the decision is urs. In my opinion, if it is a 50in set, I think Full HD is important, on a 42in set, resolution is not the no 1 issue as the pixels are pretty close together. However, people differ in what they see and hear, and some people are more sensitive to things than others. So I would suggest u taking ur favourite Blu Ray Disc and get them to test it on both the sets and view it from ur viewing distance.

How much different is the 508XG with the KRP-500A?

about 4k?

Thanks mate!
I'll definitely bring my favourite BD (Dark Knight) when I go check out the G10 and the 428. Besides those, are there any other plasmas that are in the same price range that will give me comparable PQ?

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Added on January 11, 2010, 11:09 amI found out that the PDP-LX508G is Full HD. Anyone know the price of this? It should be the cheapest full HD Pioneer around rite?

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 11 2010, 11:09 AM

Unfortunately, none.

Also, I would advise u to see if u can notice the differences between the Full HD and the HD Ready. This is the main factor. The other factor is there will be definately some lower energy consumption on the G10, but it is neglible. In all other areas, post calibration the 428 is superior. However, u might not be able to notice them in the showroom. The settings of the G10 and the Kuro are important.

One thing to note though, the Movie mode on the Kuro does not yield a very bright picture in the showroom however with Colour Space 2 it is the most accurate out of the box. Of course, to get brighter u need to enable the ISFccc modes that enable a brighter image without clipping. U can use User mode to compare, set colour space to 2, contrast around 28 and brigthness not more than 1. Set colour at around +3. Shut off all Noise Reduction. The 428 and the 508 have overscan by default and cannot be turned off. U will lose about 8 pixels of info on each side. Select the Full viewing mode.

The G10 using Standard will look brighter but the colour reproduction is innaccurate. However, post calibration the greyscale is pretty good. Only problem is the gamma curve is S shaped. What this will show is more details in shadow that shd not be visible. U can calibrate that out but u will end up with black crush. To compare use either Normal or Standard (I'm not sure) and set contrast around 80 and brightness at zero. Colour shd be around 58 or so. Swithc off Overscan. Select the Just viewing mode.

Happy choosing.

If u r going for the LX, might as well go for the KRP-500, I believe is around 13k. I doubt u can get a LX below RM10k.

Bro Demon, with Dark Knight, you shall appreciate the dark scenes.

Why not 508XG? The resolution is higher at 1365 x 768, but still not a Full HD.

I don't think you can calibrate the color for S10 and G10. If you are serious about color accuracy, you should consider those TV with CMS.

Well, there goes the idea of getting the LX la. Hahaha..Thanks for your very valuable info. You have both the G10 and the Kuro i pressume? I've been asking around and most of my friends tell me that they are not able to notice the difference between Full HD and HD Ready, so I am more inclined to the Kuro at the moment.

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Added on January 11, 2010, 11:31 amI like the 508XG too. Do you happen to know the current price? It's listed as RM9999 in Pioneer's Malaysian website.

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 11 2010, 11:31 AM

nods, the difference between 508xg and krp-500 is about 4k. nevertheless, its also worthwhile to check out what panasonic going to offer in a few more months.

though we always get the downgraded ones...

which is why my vote is with pioneer, tq for selling xg,lx and krp even at a premium.

This post has been edited by lightastral: Jan 11 2010, 11:32 AM

Perhaps this might help. But again, use your own eyes.

When I watch 508XG for the first times, I was blown away with the superb picture quality, film like quality and didn't cross my mind what was the screen resolution.

i own a 428 pioneer. linked it with my xbox 360 , pc , dvd player.
still happy and satisfied with it performance.

I own the 428 and the 600M. I have calibrated numerous S10s, X10s (C10) and played around with a G10. I have not calibrated a G10 so am unsure of the true potential. However, I have seen teh calibrated numbers of a THX enabled G10 and I know that the differences between that and the S10 are not too much, except that it has better black levels. Asian G series does not have THX, so the only difference is increased levels of gradiation (different panel) and better blacks due to a mixture of panel and AR coating.

The V and the Z series have more accurate colours.

The 2010 V series will be the one to match the Kuros.

When you say that, do you mean the 428 or the latest Kuros? Do you happen to know the pricing for the 508XG? I think that would be a better option than the 428 rite? Since the resolution is better on the 508. Not considering the $$$ I would have to splash of course.