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TShyumi
post Jan 8 2010, 02:55 AM, updated 15y ago

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Hello there!

I recently started taking Gu Zheng lessons during summer for fun, and it turned out to be quite interesting!
Currently, I am even considering of getting one to practice at home!

I am really new to this instrument and has zero musical background.
I am 21 years old and this is my first instrument I am learning! *shy*

I was wondering if are there anybody else playing Gu Zheng in this forum?
Would mind sharing your experience or give the newbies some tips?

For instance, I planning to get one for myself, but the instrument is quite pricey, any tips?

For those who do not know, this is Gu Zheng..


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guzheng


TShyumi
post Jan 10 2010, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Jan 8 2010, 10:43 AM)
ok.... some how today is ur lucky day... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

Few quest... and answer to ur quest.

1. where r u now ? Malaysia or aboard... if in Malaysia; location pls... as tis will help me to give u precise info.
2. if zero back ground in music.. never mind as the music score can be different from the normal musical notes...
3. I dun play a guzheng (i am a Sax player  thumbup.gif ) but my 2 daughters do.... i have 3 guzhengs @ home... 1 is a 21 nylon strings, 1 is a 23 steel strings and the other is a 21 nylon strings (note A) due to its size... we bought it just like tat ... until today i dun no why ! doh.gif .. but handy when travelling....
4. u need to buy a guzheng for practice..... i dun think tat there is any shop renting one @ the moment......
5. there are 2 major school / clan / syllabus i should say in Malaysia ... the Dong huang and the Beijing orchestra ... one is easy and the other one is intersiting...............
the Dong Huang will be using the steel strings while the Beijing use the nylon strings and turtle shell nails....
6. my gals started about .. well i can say 5yrs ago.... both in the steel strings .... after both of the passed their Grade 3 test... one of the option to drop out to concentrate in her Dip. Music in piano while not neglecting her SPM.(O level). (guzheng is the second/ third instrument to them).
My younger daughter quit Dong Huang syllabus and joined the Beijing syllabus as she finds it more challenging.. so from Grade 1 again after 2 yrs in the previous one......within 3yrs she made to Grade 7 now... passed her Grade 5 exam early last yr....... so its not that bad as far as i notice.
7. price wise of quzheng varies....... depends ur budget and generousity..... i say from RM few hundreds to thousands..... from a normal plywood to a soild zither wood.

i hope tis will give u a starting point ......  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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hey subangman!
i'm in Malaysia, living and taking classes in PJ =)
I'm learning 21 strings, but i am not sure what the material is ><
and yes, i really need a Gu Zheng to practice, because each week I go to class I kept trying to recall last week's lesson with no practice at all!
but fortunately, the place that I learning allows us to rent a room for practice at a minimal price..
I have never heard of Dong Huang or Beijing Orchestra.. do they do performances?
Wow, sounds like your family are really into music!
i was thinking of getting a nice Gu Zheng that is sufficient for me to practice until Grade 8.. yet I do not want to invest heavily on it because my tuition fees in uni is already taxing for my parents.. so my budget would be around RM2k the most?
any ideas of which wood and string to choose?
There's a place in Ikano Power Centre called Euphony selling about RM2k - RM4k... they even have second hands at RM1980, haha not sure if thats a good buy!

QUOTE(empire @ Jan 8 2010, 10:54 AM)
hyumi...guzeng is a wonderful instrument if played with feelings. Many palyers i saw play without any expression. I have a smaller guzeng at home that I bring for my shows with my Shanghai Angels Fusion Bands.
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hahaa.. yes it is a wonderful music.. it has very special type of sound compare to other instrument..
it's like modern yet traditional in a way.. i dunno if i am describing it properly haha..
not sure about feelings, but my instructor keeps telling me i am playing it the wrong way,
she says i use 'niu li' (cow strength), according to her, I need to learn how to play softly yet powerful.. ><


QUOTE(subangman @ Jan 8 2010, 12:51 PM)
i am a music lover............ when i was young due to famili financial situation and enviroment ... i was deprevied from venturing into music.

but after i started my famili.... all my kids been encourage to learn up music if they like... so when ever they want to learn something new.. like guzheng... it took me awhile to do some research personally from buying instruments/classes/exam. etc... they are young and my HM & I have to do our role lor...

at times i prefer to invest into instruments for them rather than changing cars every now and then..

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it's good to encourage your children into music!
i wish my parents did that when i was young!
haha, otherwise i won't be starting at the age of 21!
the ability to learn and absorb not as good now lol..

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post Jan 11 2010, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(serenayap @ Jan 10 2010, 08:49 PM)
is learning guzheng expensive...if i cant read chinese can i still play it. please recommend me a plade to learn.thanks
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The place I am learning from is different from what Subangman mentioned I think, I am learning in Taman Megah from a young chinese lady.
She charges RM 100 / month + RM 80 for materials which last up until grade 8 =)
would you want her contact?

QUOTE(subangman @ Jan 10 2010, 10:50 PM)
Hyumi : I just got back from Euponhy... seen the guzheng that u mentioned.... RM1850.00... i think overall ok lor... but i dun like its carving.... very dull & simple..... but the most important part is its top piece of wood(sound board) is NOT varnished.... so can mature ... dun like sound board which highly varnished...
it's a D scale guzheng... not the F scale one.. so if i were u... limited budget .. start wit it... then after grad... earn some money..... go china holiday.... play play ... see see.... if found one nice... bring it back..... but before buying ... PLEASE go to SS2 Keejean... look see,  look see, go to Dung Huang; shop around....go Sunway Mentari (same row with Magnum 4-D) and see also (tis place is where u b attendin the Beijing Orchestra syallbus exam),.............. dun make hasty decisions...unless Santa is paying  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Btw: u need to buy 2 guzheng stand, mayb a round chinese stool, a BIG "coffin" box to keep ur precious wood.... normally they give only a plastic cheap skate carry bag..... oh yeah.... the guzheng cover..... if u got ur guzheng alridi... PM me i teach u how to make a nice cheap pretty guzheng cover......  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  with "龙 soo"... less than RM30
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wow, i am really lucky to have you guiding me in this! =D
hmm, what do mean by can mature the sound board?
okay, i will have a look around first, where's SS2 Keejean??
maybe more location details because I am quite lost with PJ actually haha..
thanks alot!


then there are only 4 places i am very aware of :-
1. SS2 behind Poh Kong .. tat's Dung Huang (my 1st Guzheng from there)
2. SS2 behind Tropicana Mall .. KeeJean.... Alan owes the place Beijing Syallbus... my 2nd guzheng from there and my 3rd one from Shanghai trip wit my HM }

is it this one: http://www.keejan.com/ ?
can't seem to find anything on Dong Huang tou ><

my teacher said her institute (Resonant Music Academy) will be getting some Gu Zhengs straight from China.. she suggested for me to wait coz it will cheaper compare to market price =)

and I tot the Gu Zheng stands comes with it? as well as the box? ><

QUOTE(empire @ Jan 11 2010, 07:03 PM)
My small Guzeng is wonderful when we travel outstation for shows as it does not take up much space in the car boot.
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ooo... you do shows eh?
thats nice! any upcoming events that we can watch? =D

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post Jan 13 2010, 02:31 PM

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hey empire and serene,
I've already pm-ed you my teacher's contact =)
hmm.. empire, why do want my teacher's contact, you already going roadshows!


QUOTE(subangman @ Jan 12 2010, 07:34 PM)
hyumi:

ok.... looks like u r on a prvt course... i dun need her contact.. thx anyway as the gals sifu is fine..and i like him.. rclxms.gif .he used to come to my house giving clasese until his timetable is packed then he requested to b at music center in Taipan....... u can see him everynow and then in major concerts/competitions/functions ....and more over i hate LDP... always jam like hell...

Dong Huang center is on top of Pangkor (or some  sort) fish head curry ... same row with McD opp. the SS2 food court... 1st floor.

KeeJan is correct..... Alan is the boss......... btw Alan and his wife also very 'geng' in guzheng... but unfortunately they only teach G6 above students and their fees not cheap...... 'pro teacher' meh... he also got std teachers there & with std fees ....just like u ask a MPO fella to teach, fees will b different compare from my gal.... lol (she also can teach... G7 ... and she is just 15yrs old ...lol)...
"I AM NOT a sales/promoter for ALAN" ...

Wat ur teacher said is correct... and so as i said too.... dun make hasty decisions.... wait,shop, compare then buy unless SANTA is paying laugh.gif

Guzheng comes with stand and BOx.... yeah... u will b veri lucky then..... a pair of so call standard stand cost u near to RM100....and a nice stand can cost u few hundreds.... stool is about say RM150....AND tat BIG black 'coffin' NOT cheap lar.... if they throw it in .. keep it for ur future guzheng shipment back from china..... normally they will give u a nylon bag only.....as the guzheng shipment often in container....bulk shipment mah... boxes take alot of space. and its so big that i can even fit in tat BOX.... !!!!tats why my HM calls it a 'coffin'.....

i dun do shows... my daughter does for competitons or shows just for fun and extra pocket money if there is a chance.... as i said i am a SAX =>Saxaphone player... all of us (my famili & i) take music as past time... not to cali makan.... i am 100% certain i can't feed my famili if i am a musician even i reach to a level as good as Dato Ahmad Nawab.....(no offence to any pro musician here) .... mayb next time when i am semi retire doing it for charity during gala nites... lol

PM me if u like to watch some guzheng clips.... btw u need fbook to watch.....
oh ya ...there  is a group in fbook for guzheng..... and u join in..opens for public....starter is from penang ... i am in tat group too..... watch out for hell rider.  brows.gif  brows.gif

http://www.facebook.com//photo.php?pid=294...gid=34368005257

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haha yes indeed! LDP always jam! I'm a student, so i get to choose off-peak hours for classes =D
i'd probably learn all I can first then only consider about upgrading to the higher standard of learning (if i ever reach there that is ><)
yeah, i checked out the website and they did mentioned Alan is a pro.. I've seen many big advertisements on Regal Orchestra too!
With such big advertisements, their fees must really be expensive ><

hahaa, do tell us when you or daughter is performing, then we can go support support =D
earlier you mentioned they are going to perform during cny or something??
really envy your daughter! she has a talent at such a young age >< she can go join the '1 minute fame' competition on TV dy! lol..

i did joined a Gu Zheng group on FB too.. but a different one..
here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6030744423&ref=ts
i left a message there not too long, i guess it's easy to identify who is it hehe..


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post Jan 21 2010, 07:51 PM

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helloooo!! =)

My Gu Zheng teacher just got some stocks from China!
there is one that cost about RM2300 and it's brand new!
it's tempting ahaha, and according to her, the sound is nice and could last me a lifetime.
sounds like it's worth it right?
I think I am going for that =D

Will post the picture here if I can ^^
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post Jan 23 2010, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Jan 23 2010, 01:31 AM)
ok.... this is an additional advice.

do get a better / decent one if you intend to sit for your grading test. Check with her if u will be with CCOM; (Central Conservatory of Music).
if yes... then go for a decent one. ( i suspect u will b as u mentioned 21 nylon strings)

one cannot learn piano by using a keyboard and sit for ABRSM/Trinity/Yamaha grading ...  doh.gif

i've seen maddie's course mate struggling to tune that piece of JUNK provided for exam... finally i offered her maddie's guzheng
as i couldn't bear to see her going thru the hardship b4 exam.

but if u intend to bring the guzheng with you along the road.... go wit ur heart ... accompany luggage veri $$$$ and you might not b sitting for
your grading there..... (course work is PRIORITY).

here is a helpful link :-       http://www.uscycs.org/assets/docs/Exam-English.pdf   
(exam center is near our place; Sunway mentari)

                       This not only for guzheng .... all chinese instrument in fact.

I met a Malaysian Indian budder there sitting for his G4 ERHU ...  rclxms.gif

so as one said :- Music breaks the language barriers and enthusiasts their soul.    thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
I asked my teacher about grading exams before, she said mine is neither dong huang or beijing.. it's Malaysia -.-
lol.. and she says the exams will be taken place in the centre that i am learning where the examiners will be invited to the centre and grade us..

and empire, i agree with subangman that i should get a decent one..
coz, i think it's better to get the same as the one that I am learning, it should be a good investment that can last me quite long..
i won't get confused too when I am learning haha.. (i am a slow learner!)
even if one day i were to get bored of it or needed cash, I can sell it as second hand... right? haha..

i haven;t check out other places that subangman mentioned tou,
but i think Rm2300 for a new one should be a catch, isn't it?
I am not sure what wood issit, i forgot to ask.. i'll ask my teacher more on Tuesday and get back to you =D


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post Jan 25 2010, 09:42 PM

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yes i know for my standard now, I should get a cheap one.
But since I've already decided to continue learning (i paid for the materials up to grade 8).. I don't see the point of buying a cheaper one and then upgrading it to a better level when I am grade 5 or so.. i think it would be more expensive that way.. my as well just buy one that can last me forever.. probably the only expense would be maintaining it which I do not think it would be that expensive..
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QUOTE(doramoone @ Jan 30 2010, 02:43 PM)
Hi All,
    After reading the comments you guys posted, I'm very interested to learn guzheng. I used to be a chinese orchestra member in high school too, playing sheng. Would you guys mind giving me the exact location or address of the places to learn gu zheng and if available, may be the contact number?

Nice meeting you guys!
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i'll pm you my teacher's contact if you're in PJ area =)
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post Feb 4 2010, 12:03 AM

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hey all,

just wondering, is there any modern songs that we can play with Gu Zheng?
or are they any english songs? haha.. just thinking of the variety of songs we can play =)

and also, any nice websites to search for the 'pu' (whats the correct term for this in english? music sheet? )
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post Feb 4 2010, 02:01 AM

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hahaa, you're an expert already subangman! can play without the scores..
Without it, I cannot produce anything!

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found this haha.. some modern songs!

but er.. is there a 7 in Gu Zheng ? haha.. I tot there's only 1 2 3 5 and 6 ?
hopefully you guys can post some interesting songs here for everybody to learn ^^

Hope there modern english songs too if possible!
Don't get me wrong, i like the traditional chinese songs too.. but it's always good to have variety!


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post Feb 4 2010, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Feb 4 2010, 11:34 AM)
hyumi...you press down the 6 string until it becomes the 7note and play it.
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sorry.. i don't get it.... ><
maybe you can try playing the song and put a video up for demo =p
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post Apr 7 2010, 01:21 AM

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hiee guyss!! i'm back! hahaa.. been away for quite some time due to workload from studies!

QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 2 2010, 10:24 AM)
I was wondering who posted the 好心分手 here. I think we should post more pieces here to make this place more interesting. Can anyone tell me how you post a document into the reply? Has anyone played it? It does not sound like the song which Kelly Chan sang.
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hie faceless! thanks alot for the info and making this topic active once again!
and i'm the one who posted that song =)
got it from another site which is http://music.guzheng.cn/qupu/s/more_2_1_0.shtml

how to post picture? don't quite remember, i think i use IMG, then post the URL location in it then it's done =D

oh and the song is a duet between Wang Lee Hom and Candy Lou. If you do not know the song, click Hao Xin Fen Shou - Lee Hom and Candy this!

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QUOTE(subangman @ Jun 4 2010, 09:45 PM)
hahahahaha.... faceless... i read ur postin yst but on Edge (No 3G / ADSL there) so lazy to reply ... sori... now just touch ground back to kampungKUL.

yesssss i got 3+1mini guzhengs at home but mei mei lately veri moody ... mayb i stopped her latin dancin class.. boycott music alridi... susah lar
to deal wit my gals  doh.gif  notworthy.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
Made tis for my 帝女. ... exactly looks like her.

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ohh yeah... got two choice :-

1. Trip to Xian end of the year for factory visit for Scarlett Bird #10 or.

2. China International Musical Instrument Expo (Guangzhou) March 2011...

http://www.biztradeshows.com/trade-events/...ments-expo.html
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hiee everybody!
omg, i've been away for so long! hahaa

btw, i just stopped my gu zheng lesson this month cause going to Australia next month for studies ><
good news is, i just finish grade 1 haha. teacher ask me take exam, but i won't be around =.=

hi subangman!
i see u guys are planning a trip? o.0
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QUOTE(faceless @ Jun 14 2010, 09:44 AM)
Hyumi,
Nice of you check in agian. Congratulation of finishing grade 1. What are you studing in Australia?
hey there!
hehe thanks!

i'm studying accounting =)
hopefully i'll still remember how to play the gu zheng when i come back! haha

I find some scrolls online too, but somehow i think what knowledge isn't enough to play other songs besides those that i have learnt.
If i have the time, i'll compile whatever scrolls of interesting songs you guys have posted here and post up on the first page =)
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post Mar 18 2011, 04:32 PM

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Hellooooo!
Sorry for being MIA for so long!
Was studying overseas, hence i have not been logging on lowyat.net for some time.
Now i'm back in Malaysia, but it's my final year in uni, my schedules are packed that I have no time to go for GuZheng classes anymore =(
and my parents wants me to focus more on studies ahh... ><


QUOTE(chienx @ Mar 5 2011, 03:21 PM)
[my friend want to sell her gu zheng. Tung huang one. With stand and seat one set. She bought few years back and stop playing after come to kl. Any one interested pls pm me. Location setia alam.]
Hence, I might be selling my Gu Zheng as well. Not sure yet. Will post up the pictures if I do.
However, I am not sure bout the wood name and string materials ><


QUOTE(subangman @ Mar 18 2011, 03:59 PM)
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FINALS ....
Date : 20/03/2011
Time :- 1930- 2230
Price :- Adults = RM30.
          Student = RM15.

Location :-

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This event looks interesting, and affordable =)
I might attend =D


It's good to know that this thread is still quite active!
Even surprised me more is you guys even organized gatherings!
Would love to join one of the gatherings one day ^^
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post Mar 21 2011, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Mar 18 2011, 04:40 PM)
Hyumi...yes. It's odd that you started this thread yet you are the sleeping one all these while.
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well... i was away. i feel guilty too ><


QUOTE(faceless @ Mar 21 2011, 02:14 PM)
Now that you are back in KL there would be plenty of time for that. Now I am wondering when Cassiemissy will finish her studies and be back in KL.
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yeap yeap! biggrin.gif


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post Mar 30 2011, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Mar 30 2011, 10:20 AM)
I remember there were two people posted here to sell guzheng. I wonder what happen to them?
You ahhhh doh.gif You forgot the TS come back already meh? She finish study already now looking forward to join us.
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i haven't finish studying laaa.. this year final year, previoiusly was exchange programme to Australia =)

QUOTE(faceless @ Mar 30 2011, 01:19 PM)
Anyway dont you think she should take center stage? She open the thread and go silent for so long wo.
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ha? centre stage? haha. I am only Level 1 gu zheng student who stopped lesson for more than 8 months already ><
Being an audience would be a more suitable position for me hehe.


QUOTE(empire @ Mar 30 2011, 06:41 PM)
Maybe she is no longer interested in Guzheng. It was spur of the moment that she was 'hot' about guzheng..but after a few days...she no longer bothered?

Malays call this' Hangat tahi ayam'. Cos it is hot for awhile only.
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I know I haven't been replying much, but i still do check the thread once a while.
I am back, but haven't resume my gu zheng class due to busy class schedule.
however, the place i learn gu zheng from is also a yoga centre, and i go there twice a week.
the yoga instructor would always play gu zheng instrumental music CD at the end of the class, and i still love the sound of it.

my priority now is to study hard for my final year and graduate. but nevertheless, i still hope to meet you guys and see how awesome you guys are in this instrument wink.gif

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QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 1 2011, 10:45 AM)
I had my 1st guzheng lesson yesterday, played 2 simple songs with right hand thumb only, then another 1 with middle finger only. It's the 1st time i play gu zheng and learn to read the numbering notations, there's only 5 notes in an octave do re mi so la, make things easier and fun to play.  laugh.gif

Btw, the rm5 book is actually a photocopy beginner book and 4 pieces of right hand turtle shell plectrum is rm48.
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RM 5 for a photocopy book is cheap.
I paid RM 50 for teaching materials ><
but that covers until grade 8

 

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