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cassiemissy
post Mar 3 2010, 09:58 AM

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hi! i learned the guzheng for about 1 year already.. did not take the exam as i'm learning it out of pleasure.. tongue.gif

i'm in gr4 now and wants to know you guys opinion.. am i going too fast or too slow?

coz i've just started for about 2 months, my teacher tell me i can upgrade to gr1 already.. and between half a year.. i'm into gr3 already.. blink.gif blink.gif

abit surprising for me actually as i learned the piano and violin and did not upgrade to another grade so fast.. i've heard somewhere that for guzheng, one can jump from beginner to grd4 in a few months time actually... after that, will take longer time to go to the next grade.. what's your opinion? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(hyumi @ Feb 4 2010, 02:01 AM)
hahaa, you're an expert already subangman! can play without the scores..
Without it, I cannot produce anything!

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found this haha.. some modern songs!

but er.. is there a 7 in Gu Zheng ? haha.. I tot there's only 1 2 3 5 and 6 ?
hopefully you guys can post some interesting songs here for everybody to learn ^^

Hope there modern english songs too if possible!
Don't get me wrong, i like the traditional chinese songs too.. but it's always good to have variety!
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wow... thanks for the score.. gotta try it out..

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post Mar 31 2010, 09:13 AM

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nice nice! very informative... so next time when i choose a new gu zheng, i will understand them better.. haha..!! thanks!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Apr 1 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Apr 1 2010, 12:25 AM)
Grade 2 will b using the left hand to press the strings.

Grade 3 onwards one will start wit both hands.... i like to overseeing my gals practising their guzhengs sometimes.

mayb during the weekend i'll scan their syllabus for u ...

sometimes its quite hard for my gals to express the 'feel' of the songs as they r like myself {a banana... and their r made from downunder}
and they dun listen to chinese songs.... so just play according to the score without much feel ....a body without soul !

but lately my younger one begin to express it better after guidence from her sifus....

My elder stopped her Dun Huang after completed her G3.... trying to get her hook back to her guzheng else it'll be a pc of wood in my house.

My younger now touchin G6-7 in CCOM.... and heaps of performance since CNY @ KLCC/Rakan Muda Bukit Jalil/ Poor Sisters Home/ MBPJ ...
and soon to Petronas MPO KLCC in May.

i think i have posted a link for the CCOM syllabus here ...

u want tough one ... try tis .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERNI9xPz44w
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Hey Hey.. your younger one so geng! Going for performance also.. how did she get those performance job? from her sifus? haha.. tell us when she performing.. i will go attend! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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post Apr 1 2010, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Apr 1 2010, 12:32 PM)
her sifus drag her in to public performances after she won the Klang Parade chinese instrument solo division last yr....her sifus really geng
in chinese instrument... *teach me how to post video clips here then u will see their performances*

earning little bit of extra pocket money but i am limiting her as need to sit for her PMR tis year.... on top of tis she still taking her ABRSM
exam and latin competitions... tis gal of mine sch really pack during the weekends... hardly have time for ah pa.... doh.gif
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Wow.. blink.gif ur gals are really cool... so young but so much experience.. rclxms.gif

i dunno how to post video here as well.. haha doh.gif





QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 1 2010, 12:45 PM)
Thanks for the info Subang. It seems you stayed pass midnight to do it. I appreciate it. I look forward to your analysis after the weekends.

I think I have the answer to Cassie’s question. Piano players use a ball-holding grip when they play. That is they make believe that they are holding a tennis ball in their hand. With guzheng player there is a slight variation. The fingers form a line and the thumb sits behind the fingers. This would enable both fingers and thumb to strike the strings in a natural swing motion. When you join the thumb and the fingers at their tips, it is shaped like a bird’s mouth. It is one of the shapes of the three shapes of “one-two-jus” game. The thumb and fingers are not joined. The bird shape is just to give an idea. The fingers resemble the ball holding grip except the position of the thumb varies. It would be easy for piano players to adapt to the guzheng grip and vice versa. The difference is in piano the finger press keys while guzheng player strike the strings. It is easy for a pianist to pick up guzheng and vice versa. In the case of guzheng players, they had to learn to read notes on the treble and bass staff. Furthermore, Cassie had already learnt how to coordinate the left hand with the right from her piano days. Cassie, does my comment make any sense to you?

Is playing with feelings part of the syllabus too? Playing with feeling is hard to define. I have two version of it. I had gathered from movies that it is the use of tempo and volume to create an atmosphere (sad, happy, or lively). Ever notice how the themes of movie play with these elements to suit the scene. In a sad scene they play theme slow and soft, and it has the ability to touch you. It is the question of using the right mood as you play/sing. Knowing the lyrics is not necessary. There is a song the goes “Lonely, I am so lonely.” The singer sang it in such a jovial tone that it does not create the right feel.

The second version has to do with how music can paint pictures in our minds. The 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky painted the scenario of the Russian defense of Moscow against Napoleon. The first drum beat and how the other instrument echo the beat to create a cannonball sound effect was unforgettable. If you really get into it you can notice how some instruments tried to mimic the sound of horse gallop, the sad moments of seeing a broken homeland, and the pride of a final triumphant victory over Napoleon at the end. These classical pieces had no lyric nor would anyone attempt to put lyrics into them. They are to be appreciated as they are written to feel the scenario and moods.

The guzheng classics are mostly about appreciation of China’s scenic nature. The guzheng is noted to create water, wind, thunder, horse gallop, drums and gongs sound effects. Water beats them all. There is cascading waterfalls, rain drops, gushing rivers, gentle waves, turbulence waves, water flowing off a rain gutter, and perhaps others I had not known yet.

I was playing a peice “the Hills and Waters of Guilin” 桂林山水. Guilin is most noted for its waterfalls and majestic hills. It is a hot tourist spot. I was able to pluck it right but it did not make requirement. I was stuck on this piece for 3 months. On day a senior student told me “put in feeling and laoshi will give you a new piece to play”. She told me to picture Guilin’s beauty. If I cant then search some pictures of it on the net. After that I was suppose to go to some local waterfalls and rivers to listen to the sound water. I did more than that. I brought my instrument to a waterfall in Bentong and then to Templer’s Park and played while I listen to the water. It was easier to see (hear) the similarities. You got to use tempo, volume and accented notes to mimic the sounds. On volume it is not like the f, p, m notations for a certain section of the song as used by piano. It is varying loudness form one note to the next. It can be “loud soft loud soft” and many other possible combinations. In this case although it is called played with feelings, there is no emotion involved. It is more like feeling the environment. Laoshi later gave me “Gratitude to the Huang Ho” to play. Even though I knew where the water sounds are, I know it does not feel right. I ask my senior to explain the piece. It was about the composer gratitude to the Huang Ho for sustaining the people (the Chinese title is a 3 word poetic form where you could never guess the context). It is a question of knowing theme (like the 1812 Overture) and using the pieces to paint a picture. I hope these points will help your daughters. Empire, do you have anything to add? You had always stress feelings.
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Hey! thanks so much.. so tat means since i hav background in music, i can go faster? laugh.gif but now i seems lack of expression.. and ur explanation really helps.. do u really bring ur instrument to the waterfall.. so cool! blink.gif blink.gif

I think I can only be satisfied with nature cd music and pictures in the net.. tongue.gif


Would like to hear u play as well.. any chances? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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post Apr 1 2010, 04:18 PM

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cool wow cool.. i've met some really great people here! ^.^

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post Apr 9 2010, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 9 2010, 09:00 AM)
KLCC is an agreeable location. It better going to places like Subang where I am bound to get lost. Ever since the airport moved, I had lost track of the Subang area. The event seemed boring. I had not listened to classical music for a very long time. Using the Chinese instruments, especially the guzheng and erhu, as an accompaniment is insulting. I intend to pick up the erhu when I get to level 6 in the guzheng. Using the instruments I love as a second fiddle is not very pleasing for me. SubangMan are you daughters performing? For RM10, I do not mind going if there people I know performaning.
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hope you wouldn't hav hard feelings.. i just wanted to comment on ur comment.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

i play both classical and chinese instrument and i personally feels that both range of instrument have their way of expressing and when combined, produce fantastic result.. maybe you think it is insulting as they did not give credits to the chinese instrument and their players in a proper manner. But it is because the main instrument in this program is the violin and cello.... laugh.gif laugh.gif


Piano is often used to accompany vocal, strings and even other instruments as well. Do you think that is insulting as well? tongue.gif tongue.gif

Anyway, I hope you wouldn't really think that playing as accompaniment is insulting cause accompaniment is actually very important. Imagine a vocal without any background instrument accompanying.. wouldn't that sound dry? haha.. just an opinion though..

However, my guess is, when u are going for the performance, and u bought their programmes notes (if they hav) you would see some explanation of the chinese instrument.. haha.. if you went, tell me how's it.. coz i couldn't go even if i wan to as i'm still working at tat hour.. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post Apr 9 2010, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 9 2010, 11:16 AM)
Hi Cassie,

It is nice to hear from you because you had been silent for a while. I felt they insulted the two instruments that I love the most by making them the back up. You have made your point. I should see how they fair as back rather than imagine it. I appreciated comments because it helps me to maintain an open mind.

The reasons to go will remain unchanged. I will go only if Subang’s daughters are performing. If the instruments don’t appeal to you, there would be no interest to watch it. To watch someone you know or children of people you know would be different. You are watching the performer to give support (like a fan).
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icon_rolleyes.gif been a bit busy lately.. haha.. anyway, great that we are able to exchange opinion.. is really helps to open up our mind.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

agree wif you.. if we don't have any interest in it, it would be boring.. haha.. so hav to wait for subangman's answer to comfirm whether u will be going or not la? haha.. i really wan to go.. haiz.. cry.gif cry.gif

btw, how long hav u been learning the gu zheng? haha..




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post Apr 10 2010, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Apr 9 2010, 11:46 PM)
Faceless... i arrived quite early 4pm+ BUT as my gals went shoppin like usual ... i went to my well to quence the thirst.. Chili.
so after 2pints + 2pints freebie (happy hour buy 1 free 1; how can i said NO  drool.gif ) .. so i forgotten to check the seatin... dun worry i will confirm wit them next few days.

Overall the rehearsal was good. This is the 1ST time the chinese instruments performing in MPO... after more than 10yrs it been operating .............. *sigh*  is the chinese instrument not at par with the western ones or something else ?

soon i will b veri certain the MPO board members be amazed wat the classical chinese instrument can do...  icon_rolleyes.gif

Solo yang qin ... very good.
solo erhu .... dun need to say lor... the winner of open chinese instrument competition recently in KT..
solo guzheng ... superb .. u ppl playin guzheng should watch tis! Not every day u can watch tis.. Trust me.

butterfly lovers  been played by a concerto comprises of a well known cellist, violist and 2 Violinists. (seen the cellist and one of the violinist performing in MPO before.. they are good)........... but deep inside my sincere heart i was hoping for a chinese instrument concerto and mayb a piano mix wit erhu or mayb guzheng... but it is otherwise. never mind lor... my ah ma used to said "bo who hair phun a sai" (no fish shrimp also can).... after all they played it very well.... sat inside the hall with few others ... really enjoyed it.

............... overall worth every cents u paid for the ticket .. incld the tol / petrol / parkin feees ...LOL!
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dunno whether to smile or to cry at ur comment.. u made me soooo want to attend the concert lah.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

haiz, no choice.. no choice.. cry.gif
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post Apr 12 2010, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 12 2010, 09:59 AM)
Empire, it is nice to hear from you after a long silence. I hear your band is going for this concert too. I cannot comment there as the thread is closed.

Cassie, unless you are indispensable that night you can go too. Just apply for leave or get someone to replace you. If you had to chair the meeting then I guess it is your misfortune.

Subang, thanks for giving us a peek preview into the program. I have problems with “bo who hair pun a sai”. Without fish, prawns will do. I think it should be the other way around. Prawns are more expensive than fish.

MPO is actually about nurturing local philharmonic orchestra. Given the typical white supremacy mentality, they started as an all white orchestra. They hired second graders from white nations for a 2 year contract. If these ang mo cannot groom a local to their level then they failed the contract. If they made it they received a bonus and go home. It took MPO awhile to start looking east. Now I see more Japanese and Koreans in the program. Incorporating Chinese instruments in the program is a big leap in their look east mentality. I guess China becoming a world super power had something to do with it. Conservatories in Beijing, Shanghai, and Xian regarded the guzheng as the main instrument.

Subang, you must encourage mei mei (as a Chinese family I am sure that is how your squad refer to your younger daughter). Hopefully she will be the star when MPO gives guzheng the center stage. I will be there in the crowd saying to guys beside me, “I know that girl”.
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^.^ I couldn't take leave on wed.. haha.. weekdays are busy for me.. too many appointments.. if i cancel 1 appointment, i will have a hard time finding time to replace it.. haha.. i just settle all my replacement.. blink.gif blink.gif

anyway, good luck on Subangman's troup! ^.^ Tell us about it after the performance ya! haha.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


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post Apr 13 2010, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 12 2010, 01:40 PM)
Subang,

You don’t need to find out about seating. Your post 99 had a phone number (2051 7007). It is the box office number. You can book your seats there. I advise those who want to go to book early to get good seats. You have 3 days to pay (if not paying by credit card) after making your booking. I manage to get a box seat

I don’t know hokkien. I also don’t think a ma is wrong. These old sayings had some logic to them. I been thinking perhaps hokkien had more preference for fish than prawn.

Cassie, I guess we will have to fill you in on the show.
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yes! please fill me in.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

btw, if u hav credit cards, u can just purchase the tickets online.. if i remember correctly, you can get to choose the seatings as well.. ^.^
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 13 2010, 02:04 PM)
Cassie,

I guess you have been there. It is my first time. I wonder if you can smuggle a wineskin in. I am sure Subang would consider this a viable option.
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yup.. been there a few times.. haha.. in fact, i'm going for the April 25th concert.. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

btw, wat's a wineskin? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 13 2010, 04:17 PM)
In Malaysian english, it is a tupperware. It is made of a strong vinyl inside to contain liquid. The outside is made of leather.


Added on April 13, 2010, 4:19 pmIt is usually used to carry wine. That is why it is called a wineskin. You can store water in it if you want. It is also easily conceal when you wear a jacket.
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ok.. but why do u wan to smuggle in the wineskin? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

oh.. do u mean u wan to bring drinking water/ tupperware wif water inside? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(subangman @ Apr 13 2010, 11:20 PM)
well.... my PA got me to 2 box seatings..a 8 seats and 4 seats .... eventhough not the best but ok lor as i am away fro KampungKU now cannot demand.

i got some prelim. rehearsal clips... but not in utube... @ fb.... enjoyin them in my room now...

faceless... wat wineskin... i am in dry land now lar....in NO SIN land... not in BOLEHLand pls dun make me go huntin for the well later... cry.gif  cry.gif


Added on April 13, 2010, 11:21 pm

u r right dear.... I SAPU all the remaining BOX seatings..... rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif


Added on April 14, 2010, 12:02 amHonestly i am enjoyin now the 1st rehearsal clips thru my notebook as just posted to me.... gosh i miss my gal !
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subangman!! can I watch ur clips??? since I can't attend the concert, the rehearsal will be a good substitute! can I??? ^.^
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 14 2010, 09:51 AM)
Cassie,

I am wondering if cameras are allowed into MPO's concert. If they do then tell me what you want. I Know you play the violin and had considered learning the cello. Do you want footage of these performance?
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haha.. ya.. it is 100% forbidden to bring any recording device into the hall.. even if u take out ur hp, the usher will approach you.. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

It's alright actually.. but since Subangman said that he hav the rehearsal clips i tot that it would be a good replacement.. haha icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 14 2010, 01:51 PM)
Yes, you are right empire. This is my first time going to MPO. I did mention it in the previous post.

Cassie thanks for the information on the alertness of the ushers at MPO. By the way, are these ushers of bouncers' size?
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huh? wat do you mean 'ushers of bouncers' size'? haha..



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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 14 2010, 03:30 PM)
I mean those very big muscles guy that can throw you out of the hall if you take a camera out smile.gif
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no la.. dun worry.. these ushers are nice people.. they'll just warn you.. smile.gif smile.gif

but we as audience must be polite also la.. if not the possibilities of them turning into bouncers might happen.. haha..

no worries la.. A concert at MPO is really memorable and enjoyable. Those ushers isn't scary and they wouldn't just warn you for nothing. It's only when you breaks certain rules that might affect the other audience will they approach you. brows.gif

So far, my experience in the concert halls are perfect. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 14 2010, 04:13 PM)
Wow, that means I can get away with taking a photo maybe smile.gif All I get is just one warning right?
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sweat.gif um.. that's not what I mean actually.. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif



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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 14 2010, 04:56 PM)
So, they will seize my camera if I took a photo?
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I would seriously advise u not to take any photos inside.. it's the manners.., the tradition.. haha.. rolleyes.gif even if no one seize ur camera, but u still hav to respect the performance rite? blush.gif blush.gif

just sit back and enjoy the performance.. dun worry ur heart out on trying to sneak photos.. whistling.gif besides, u wouldn't feel good if u r being warn rite? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif this conversation is getting funnier.. haha..
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 15 2010, 10:25 AM)
Cassie, you mean my question on the seating was funny? I have not been there. By looking at their map, I am trying to determine if I had a good seat. Putting C in front and A in back row is very confusing.
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hey.. I'm sorry.. i did not mean ur question is funny... i just mean in general.. haha.. and i miss out on ur question.. blush.gif

actually, seating A/premium is normally the best most probably is because the sounds that u hear at that seating is the most perfect.. i'm not sure how to describe to you, but when u are seating in the A or premium seats, you will get the most out of the hall as concert hall is designed like that.. and some box seats maybe be good coz of the location.. definitely you can see better from above compare to the ones right smack infront.. just like in cinema.. brows.gif about the sound at those box seats, i'm not too sure as I did not seat in any of those box seat before yet.. haha.. i often choose the stalls.. up to individual actually.. some might like the privacy at those boxes as it has only a few seats..

I'm not sure whether I answer your question or not though.. i just speak based on my experience.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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