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IvanWong1989
post Jul 6 2011, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Jul 6 2011, 11:24 AM)
Ya, you will not know until you watch the experts in action. I have visited some u-tube site. It did not seem like an easy instrument to pick up.
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QUOTE(empire @ Jul 6 2011, 11:47 AM)
yes faceless. that is why there are far more Guzheng players than Pipa. Think about it.
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lolx... im a pipa player as my main... i know yang qin, erhu, ruan,sheng and limited gu zheng.

learning pipa is not hard la... i duno mandarin.. but still pass thru grade 7.... but i stopped... lolx.. going to college..


the ''finger pickings'' you have to practice everyday... even when you're doing other stuff, move your fingers to get accustom to the motion.. take a chopstick and pluck on it to train ur finger's strength(no kidding.. long solos are tiring.....)

it will take about 2-4 months for you to learn and start doing it like it's second nature. Once you pass that curve, it's all smooth sailing. ^^

i didn't play for 2 years, till now i stil rmb as it's second nature... so, if ya like the sound of pipa? go for it. it's not hard as people say... once you get thru the first few months la.. lolx.... laugh.gif


Added on July 6, 2011, 12:13 pm
QUOTE(leoyew @ Jun 16 2011, 10:07 AM)
lol gu zheng = =, rarely music in current age
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lolx.... i came frm an english school background, and i still spent 7 years of my life playing in orchestra/solo/performances.... blablabla...

all on traditional chinese instruments.

You can say it is 'rare', but i too can say 'your' choice of music genre is ''COMMON"".. rclxms.gif

lolx...

like what I say? If you don't, stop flaming please.

thank you.

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IvanWong1989
post Jul 6 2011, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Jul 6 2011, 01:21 PM)
Ahhh another non chinese educated that love chinese instruments. Subangman, Empire and myself are also not chinese educated but we love chinese instruments. Empire is an exception in a way because he play more than 20 instruments. Anyway, welcome to the thread.

Actually the first time I saw people playing pipa was Sam Hui back in the late 60s. He played it like guitar. Empire also put guitar straps on his ruan and play it like a guitar in his concert at MPO. The second time I saw pipa was in a chinese instrument contest. Even though the guy was the champ for the pluck category, he did not impress me because I did not see any difference from plucking the guitar.

Actually I was considering the pipa because my brother will be posted to China (that means he can get me some instrument). Initially, I thought of the ruan (influence by Empire). It seem much smaller and more portable than the guitar. Then I though of exploring the pipa as another alternative. The main idea is to treat it like a guitar if I cant play it. wink.gif

By the way, if you are talking about the 5 fingers plucking requiring 2 months of training, I agree.
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lolx... ruan is also lighter than pipa actually... hahax... though i must say.... ruan strings are... abit too ''tebal'' for me.. so i only played it enough for orchestras... my fingers grow pain over few days. lolx... for me la.

erm... pipa 5 fingers 2 months for basic sounding.... it will still sound like crap but still acceptable. lolx... that is the first mountain. the second mountain is when ur fingers strt to ''loosen'' up. lolx... i reach that in about 2years... lolx.. i duno it's long or not... by that time... it has matured till individual plucks can be heard clearly on 5 finger sustained plucking. THAT is when the beauty of your songs come in. hahax. It mimics the sound of clear water trickling thru the yam leave. *pardon me.... my sifu likes to explain concepts this way. lolx*

er... aren't guitar plucks inward while pipa plucks outward???? hmm.gif i have a guitar at home.. but it never excites me... lolx


Added on July 6, 2011, 1:32 pmlolx... btw... im more into yang qin in the later years.. lolx... it sounds terrific. lolx.... though no whr portable... =.=

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post Jul 6 2011, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Jul 6 2011, 01:56 PM)
pipa string not so tebal? The only time I played the ruan was with Empire's guidance. I know it hurt more than the guitar.

How does this 5 finger pluck work? Thumb, index, middle, ring, pinky - ring, middle, index, thumb?

No pardon needed. This is chinese instrument thread. We have high mountains and flowing waters in guzheng
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Inward pluck or outward pluck I dont really know. I am not a guitar expert. I can just hold down a chord and strum. la Bella is our guitar expert.
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er... may i know whut instrument you play? hahax rclxms.gif

erm.. nope... pipa string are thinner and softer... since they need to stretch.... er... this probably u gt see b4 in utube.. ermm they pull the string to the side.. to make the special sound effect.. lolx...

main pipa plucking all is outwards de.... using ur finger nails, or wearing those fake nails... got towards inside also. but it's not often. lol.x

5 finger plucking is starting with index finger, then middle, ring, pinky, thumb, then returning with index and so on.. imagine a wheell.lolx..

when u starting to learn... ur ring and pinky finger no strngth de... weakling. lolx.. hav to train strong. hahax.

the basic plucking action is called ''tan'' using index finger, and ''tiau'' using thumb.. lolx...


similar to guitar using pick. hehe.


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post Jul 7 2011, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Jul 6 2011, 10:12 PM)
Ivan...welcome welcome! GOod to  see more non- Chinese educated People here who appreciates chinese mucisal instruments.

I have to correct you a bit about you saying you are English educated. Unless you are from an international School...you are most likely from a normal Sekolah Kebangsaan. So that means you are MALAY educated like me. Not english educated.
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came frm st. michaels... missionary school.. lolx.. 99.99% all speak englishy. lolx.
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post Jul 7 2011, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Jul 7 2011, 03:03 PM)
Missionary schools are like that. The teaches are too inflexible to adapt and therefore did not start teaching in malay until a majority of their student starts to fail the malay paper.

I think I can try out the pipa and treat it like a guitar if I fail to be a pipa player smile.gif At least, I have another portable instrument wink.gif I will eventually need Empire's help to convert the fingerings to get the right chords. I think Little Ice also should know since it is tuned to violin strings. How much does the pipa cost these days.

Now I have to try the 5 finger thingy on my guzheng using "backhand" strokes (outward plucking)
. Since you play a bit of guzheng, you will know that each finger uses a different name for in and out plucking. I just use the term backhand as a general name for all of them.
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lolx... im actually grateful it's an english speaking environment... haha. Trained my englishy.. hehe.... though my bm in spm nearly catastrophically failed... tongue.gif


haha... i bought mine last time at rm1500.... that was... erm... 5 or 7 years ago i think.... hmm.gif haha... then used for 2 years then sold to friend... too bz to play..

it was made from redwood.... clear varnish... so can see authentic wood pattern.. weight like a tonne!!!!!!!!!!! broke the head... hah..fixed it back myself. lolx


use guzheng to train the ''wheel'' yeng lor.. lolx..

though u must make sure it's correct leh...

once bad habit is ingrained... hard time to throw de....

 

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