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 Studying in Australia (V 3.1), Please use proper English

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SRLee
post Jan 11 2011, 02:54 PM

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Hi everyone.

I finished SPM in 2010 and now I don't know where I'm heading.

I need some guidance and help.

Here's my situation. I want to study medicine (MBBS), what are the important things I should know?

My parents want me to study in Australia as my father is a MBBS graduate from UNSW and I was born in Australia.

However, I want to study locally (any recommendations? I'm thinking IMU) as it is, in my opinion, cheaper and easier to go back home. It also feels "at home" in Malaysia.

So with my circumstances, which route should I take?

Study in Australia or in Malaysia?

Thanks!

-Shaun

P.S I was born in Australia and right now I have an Australia Declaratory Visa. I don't know if this information helps, I'm just adding it here in case it does.
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post Jan 11 2011, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(zeke'stah @ Jan 11 2011, 04:11 PM)
in choice of both, i suggest Australia, if your parents can support , which im sure shouldn't be a problem since your dad's a doctor.  reason?  i feel, yes...u still get an MBBS here, cheaper and easier to go back home, however, u won't have that experience of experiencing a new environment, learning new cultures, adapting, and all. i'm a single child with a single mom. my dad passed away, however mom insists i go aussie. i'm kinda for it now. i'm leaving in 28 days time. lol...  they won't quite look at the paper u hold ...more of the experience u have, how u present urself, ur maturity level. smile.gif  it speaks alot of u if u go overseas and do well.  biggrin.gif    once in a lifetime experience like that can't be bought brah...  wink.gif
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Hey zeke'stah,

Because studying in Australia comes with an extremely high price tag, I feel it unnecessary to experience a new environment and/or new cultures just to get the MBBS since when everyone comes out to work (opening a clinic like my father), the place where the doctor graduated doesn't matter at all.

And actually, doctors aren't rich. Doctors just get to live a comfortable life unlike businessmen who ARE the real rich. My plan is actually to study medicine and at the same time, be an entrepreneur. In fact, I never planned to be a long-term doctor. I just want it to be kind of like a "safety net" for life while I build businesses.

Regarding the once-in-a-lifetime experience, I feel it can be obtained once I become successful in life. I can still get the experience at age 50, whereas the cost associated to get the MBBS from Australia isn't worth it in my opinion. Net income doesn't increase anyway.

-Shaun

P.S I'm sorry for your loss.

QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 11 2011, 04:49 PM)
if one has australian residency rights, then one is considered a 'home' student.....

in which case, it is VERY VERY difficult to get admitted into med school.....half the med schools are now graduate entry.......and it is now very competitive to get into undergraduate entry med school........getting an ATAR>99 with high umat scores would be helpful, but still no guarantee.....

it is slightly easier to get in as an international student, but lately, it has become just as difficult as home student, due to limited places for foreign students and the popularity.......

it is premature to talk about this, as you have not even done a pre-u.......and general advice......for good med schools, they choose you, not the other way round.....ie, you go where you have offers....
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Hey limeuu,

Actually, I AM an Australian citizen. I have the rights to go to Australia and just create an Australian passport. If I do that, I lose my Malaysian citizenship which I value highly. I have until age 22 to decide which citizenship I want.

And yes, from what I've heard, it's very difficult to be admitted into Australian med-schools. Previously, I thought I could just decide which university I want to go and just go. Now that I've been exposed to some information, it's becoming clear that good med-schools CHOOSE the students.

Now what med-schools in Malaysia/Australia are good med-schools?

-Shaun
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post Jan 18 2011, 01:37 PM

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Hey guys,

I have a serious question.

I'm interested in studying medicine (MBBS) in Australia.

The fees for international students and local students are different - 56k AUD for international students and 9k AUD for local students (in Monash Australia).

I was born in Australia, and I have the rights to get an Australian passport. From my research, this means I AM a local student so I get to pay just 9k AUD per year, which is roughly RM27k per year.

Local universities cost much more to study medicine. Thus, I have a serious advantage to study in Australia with lower than half the price to study in Malaysia.

But here's the catch, if I apply for an Australian passport and become an Australian citizen, I lose my Malaysian citizenship. I love Malaysia. sad.gif

So if you are in my shoes, and you have 100% chance to enter Australia's medschools, would you get an Australian passport, forfeit Malaysian citizenship and study in Australia?

Thanks!

EDIT: I haven't even started A-Level. So I don't have 100% chance to enter Australia's medschools. Just wanted to clarify.

This post has been edited by SRLee: Jan 18 2011, 04:04 PM
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post Jan 18 2011, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(zeke'stah @ Jan 18 2011, 03:56 PM)
maybe you can apply for a PR?  That way you should be able to enjoy local rates and still hold a Malaysian passport right?
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I don't think it's that easy to apply for PR. I think you have to stay there for some time.

I'm not sure and I don't really know so chances are, my information is wrong.

Could someone with PR experience help clarify this issue?

And yes, students with PR enjoy local rates without giving up Malaysian passport.
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post Jan 19 2011, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 19 2011, 01:48 AM)
being born in a country does not entitle you to pr.........

in fact, it may not give u right to citizenship either, as the laws have changed, and one of the new conditions is one of the parents must be either citizen or pr................
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My father was a previous PR holder (not anymore).

But I've asked about my situation in Australian High Commission and I was told I can get an Australian passport if I wanted to.
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post Jan 19 2011, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Luke1989 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:09 PM)
If it were me I would go for Australian citizenship. Lots of students are going to Australia nowadays to study and to obtain their PR there afterwards. Now you have a chance to obtain citizenship (and the low fees that come with it) before you even start studying.

The only downside is of course losing out on your Malaysian citizenship. I don't really think its that big a deal since an Australian passport would be better. Things to find out would be whether you can still stay in Malaysia for prolonged periods after you obtain your Australian citizenship. I think its definitely possible since Malaysian laws would be less strict than Australian ones.

This is something you should be discussing with your parents. They would know best after all. And you also have to ask yourself what are your plans after you complete your medical degree. Will you want to stay on in Australia or will you want to come back to Malaysia to practice? These are all important things you should consider.

P.S. Reread your original post and noticed that you haven't started A-levels. Perhaps you should complete your pre-U before you consider your citizenship status? Its not that easy to get into Medicine in Australia after all.
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Malaysia's PR is unobtainable as far as I know. So I cannot live in Malaysia anymore and I cannot practice in Malaysia.

The most important thing to note is that I've never been to Australia. I came back when I was only 2-months-old.

I want to travel to Australia to get a feel, but I can't find any places of interest (maybe the Great Barrier Reef). It seems that Australia is a boring place.

Yeah I'm going to take A-Level in Malaysia. After that, if my results are excellent, then maybe I would take up Australian citizenship.

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