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 Studying in Australia (V 3.1), Please use proper English

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-Jonathan-
post Jan 27 2010, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(Grimm @ Jan 26 2010, 02:37 PM)
Question aimed at haya, hihihehe, limeuu, b3ta, chris_c28, star_ghazzer and any others who might have valueble input.

Okay, question might be an understatement.

I am in my final semester, taking my Bachelor of Business (Accounting, Banking and Finance) in Monash. The whole problem is, the total length of my study duration here in Australia is only 1.5 years. And I wish to obtain an Australian PR.

Based on my conversation with a migration consultant, he leaves me with 3 possible choices (according to him):

1) I take an extra Honours year or do my Masters study.
- Yes, I qualify for honours
- I prefer not to take extra studies, but to start working and gain experience.
- I don't want to pay RM130k more, I want to earn AUD $$ instead.

2) I go back to Malaysia (I think Singapore also can), to work in a job relevant to my field of study (Accounting and Finance) for 1 year minimum, and then apply for PR (I think this is an Offshore Application).
- I don't really want to get comfortable for 1 year in Malaysia, then have to uproot myself over to Australia.
- I might have a promotion and a car here already if that's the case and it WOULD ruin teh stability of my career.
- I would have settled down with many contacts here and stuff, that I will find it a MAJOR hassle to go back to Australia where they don't usually look at your Malaysian work experience. I'll have to start as a fresh grad again (Yeah, they are rather biased in that sense. Even all my internships in Malaysia, they brush it off as "nothing".)

3) I manage to impress an employer who wants to hire me and sponsor me a working visa or a TR or something that will let me stay in Australia and work for a minimum of 1 year. 1 year is all I need.
- It is almost impossible
- But I have what other people don't - quite an impressive history of internships/training (2007 part time Barista Supervisor in Gloria Jeans, 2008 in PwC, 2009 in Securities Commission Malaysia) and I was dealing with Islamic Capital Markets/Finance in SC, where I differentiate myself from other fresh grads*.

*Giant financial institutions are really looking into jumping onto the Islamic Finance bandwagon

- Most employers immediately say "No" if you don't already have a working visa/PR/Residency, without even hearing me out/looking at my resume.

How now?

I am already applying for quite a number of Graduate Programmes with big firms like PwC, Goldman Sachs, UBS, Macquarie, JP Morgan, ANZ Bank and will continue to pump in applications into other giant financial/investment houses and banks, hoping that one of them will see something special in my application and want me so bad that they'll get me a working visa.

I know, I sound a bit cocky... sorry about that :< but I really don't fancy my options 1 and 2. Sigh....
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Option 3 is really out of the picture. A slap check required here. Until you have somewhat proven yourself in the field you are in, whether it be brokering big deals, being a peace diplomat for a country, or achieved a subtle fame in your field; chances for #3 to occur is somewhat minimal. When i mean minimal, i'm talking about one in a million sort of probability. You not only have the requirements against you, but time will be against you. (Visa length)

Let me put some of my mates situation into context.

- Out of 10 mates that HAS obtained PR, and culminated a sizable decent resume for a fresh graduate, only 8 has a job, and blimey, the earliest any of them got near to an interview was 6 months after graduation.

- The rest; Gave up after countless amounts of resumes sent out. They are living a modest life back in Malaysia/Singapore, enjoying the scrumptious food the nation has to offer.

My point is up for the lads to moot. But the key component is this. If you were down to only option 3, your chances is as good as winning Tatts.

Being a little finicky about Graduate Programs, they are one of the best paid, awesome working jobs for fresh grad. And as far as i know, only citizen's from Australia of Commonwealth gets those job. [There are always exceptions, so don't get crikey with me over it]

I really hate being the bearer of bad news, i really do. But you are not in the best of positions. The sacrifice is immense, but it all boils down to how much you desire to work in Australia compared to other choices out there. I know a broad that wanted to work here so bad, she opted for option #1. She got her first class honours and subsequently a fully sponsored PhD topic.

I am, one of the few ones that studied 1.5 years in Australia, and not being able to fulfil the minimum 2 years requirement.

I.opted.for.option.3.

I am on 457, but that's a discussion out of this thread. If you do need help with 457, just ahoy me. More than happy to help out a fellowman

This post has been edited by -Jonathan-: Jan 27 2010, 09:13 AM
-Jonathan-
post Jan 28 2010, 11:12 AM

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*I feel so much like buying an OZ pr now. A friend just told me a lot of ppl are doing it. Just pay 15k, settle. Kautim all  shocking.gif *
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Golden rule in life, never ever buy your way into anything (*with exceptions). It's a very superficial thought.
The buying of PR issue came out in the mainstream news. It was started out mainly by the Chinese (China) community intending to make money. They conjured out fake identifications, fake certificates, and all relevant fake documentations required for a PR applicant to get his/her PR. Every-thing leaves a trail and this has no exception. Don't ever do it, as you risk being deported and not allowed back in Australia. Don't ever try to outsmart the authorities here, or do anything against the law/constitution or be a non-benign factor in this community. If there is one thing I've learnt in my years here, they will not hesitate to bump you out and black list you if you are a non-resident in Australia.

There has been a perpetual stream of thread creation on Honours credibility and on why it is relatively two step or more better than a degree in Australia around this section of the forum.

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NB : To all prospective students (with a minor tingle affecting those current students), I would strongly advice in taking strong consideration of your future as it strongly knits around study here in Australia. Let it be clear that until you've worked here in Australia, or even stay here long enough, never shudder your concept of returning back to Malaysia straight after studies. Understanding that when given the opportunity to study here in Australia, you are already a step above others that wants to work in Australia (due to the priority, advantages and also well procured migration system for visitors/students).

I came to Australia with only one thing in mind, which was to study, gain experience and head back to Malaysia. I came here for an intended length of 1.5 years. Probably i should have known better than to come here with a closed mind concept. But that non-preparation was well and good enough to meddle into my final semester studies and work rumbling about my chances to stay in Australia.

So, in conclusion, although this is a thread for those preparing/studying in Australia, do enough research and delve into your future prospects as well, knowing that both are tied hand in hand.


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Without divulging more into Post-Studying in Australia in a Studying in Australia thread, let me end this by saying to all prospective students and current students in Australia; It is one thing to prepare studying in Australia, but do not scribble out the fact that where you work, and how you work will be reflected by your term (time) "Studying in Australia". I am sure a few alumni's here that is already working will vouch that their time studying here has somewhat influence their culture, subsequently has a role to play in their out look at people and work environment.
-Jonathan-
post Jan 29 2010, 12:20 PM

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Call me amnesiac but I do not recall universities offering twinning/transfer to Australia including the cost of student's insurance in the whole scheme. (inclusive of course fees et-cetera)

In case of any doubt, probably it'll be advisable for all prospective/current students in Australia (on a Students Visa) to renew/obtain a insurance cover.

It is compulsory and it is deemed to be against your visa requirement if you do not have an up-to-date insurance cover during your stay here in Australia.

OSHC provides the necessary insurance cover during your stay in Australia.

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