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post Jan 29 2010, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM)
guys... the one reason y'all are complaining is the price.
I tell you what, why don't you complain when Apple actually sells 10 million units.

this is not a miniaturised Mac. its a tablet, not even a tablet Mac.

its a portable companion to your main computer (Mac or PC) ...

if that's unacceptable, don't buy it!

complain here, too expensive la, Apple margin too high la, its not a netbook la, I can get the same spec somewhere else la...

get a grip. Steve doesn't care about your whining. If your points are true, a year from now, the product will be discontinued, like the iPod HiFi ...
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wow..it took a while for me to think wtf is ipod hifi

haha u have good memory bro
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post Jan 29 2010, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 29 2010, 03:57 PM)
One potentially fatal problem for those thinking of waiting for the Wifi + 3G model, is the micro-SIM slot. IIANM, none of the telcos in Malaysia adopts micro-SIM sizes for their telephony or data customers. Micro-SIMs are generally used in location-aware devices like child locators or parking meter personnel, or power-meter inspectors to transmit their data to HQ after punching in your bill after inspecting the meter.

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Now what? Surgically mutilate your SIM card?
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now this is something worth complaining a lot tongue.gif

i appreciate no flash anyway. i dont play flash games, i only use it for videos. when html5 hits mainstream then i wont be missing flash smile.gif
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post Jan 29 2010, 09:43 PM

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come look at the bright side of the iPad..

http://ninezerothree.wordpress.com/2010/01...t-for-5-things/

hehehe smile.gif hoping to get some input from sifus
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post Jan 30 2010, 02:16 AM

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now we're talking about BD drives? tongue.gif

being the future or not, the media is still expensive. maybe it'd make sense if we have some official bluray rental service in malaysia la (do we?). about adoption rates hmm...well i wont call it mainstream yet, so superdrive is fine with me smile.gif

plus, apple would rather have u purchase HD movies from itunes store. i actually prefer that though since its much much cheaper, only rm50+ compared to rm149. of course bluray got extras2 lah, whatever that is ;p
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post Jan 30 2010, 11:17 PM

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i really cannot follow this thread anymore hahah

so what's the general conclusion here?
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post Jan 31 2010, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 01:51 AM)
I dont have to see that link, I already own such a thing, in the form of the Viliv X70.

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The good thing is, I think I made the right choice. Which would you rather have, a slim svelte device that does things half-baked, or a half-laptop thickness tablet that does things proper? I don't want to say this, but why is Apple treating its target audience for the iPad as dumb hicks who knows nothing about a simple program-install on a normal laptop OS, so much that they are handholding you with the stripped down and simplified iPhone OS?

Like I said before, slimness has its price. Apple's assuming everyone's willing to trade form factor over function.
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because not everyone knows how to use windows or OSX. someone said it might be the Wii of computers. probably wont entice geeks like us, but may bring old people to the internet ;p
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post Jan 31 2010, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Jan 31 2010, 05:49 PM)
yes i do. i own iphone 2g for 6 month then i sell it same price i bought it. i admit it the software (os) really good. but not all the time the can replicate the best for each product. im not applehatter but ipad just overprice piece of crap even islate(the one that ppl said apple tablet look like) look way better. if that one came out and have front camera for video call i might buy it.
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mockups always look better laa smile.gif

i remember got one mockup got dvd drive haha. half the tablet is for the dvd drive already... very not logic ;p
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post Jan 31 2010, 08:19 PM

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is there a NEED to complain about iPad? no..but u WANT to

stringfellow we get your point here. u hate the ipad. nothing wrong about that

however, a notebook doesnt do mobile computing perfectly cuz it's still too big n heavy for some situations. but it's good cuz we can do a lot with it. ipod touch doesnt do it's job perfectly as well, i have to quit an app juz to go into another. but it's doing a good job of being 'mobile' since i can bring it everywhere i go.

while i agree with u that i dont need the ipad, since i have a notebook and an ipod, i do understand if some people want this. 2k isnt much for some people. if i were rich, i'd buy an iPad juz so i can surf the web on a decent-sized screen on my couch...no need to lug my notebook around and no need to zoom into everything like on my ipod.

in a classroom environment, bringing a notebook can be a hassle bcuz i need to carry files, books, etc. if 2k is nothing to me, i'd buy an ipad juz so i dont have to print my lecture notes. netbook isnt an answer for me cuz even though it's small, it's still thick.

there's nothing wrong for WANTING something u dont need. i dont need to eat at mcdonalds. i dont need to buy expensive jeans that does the same thing a rm15 pants at kamdar does. i just want mcd n levis because i can afford them. n if i could afford the ipad, even i dont need it, i'd buy it anyway
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post Jan 31 2010, 08:41 PM

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well said Edoras, well said

if someone already has similar device, e.g. viliv, then they probably wont need ipad anymore...so what? it's not like everyone has a viliv

i dont videocall as well...but i know some ppl who do. and look silly doing it hehehe. better dont do it in public i guess

so can we stop complaining too much about ipad? i admit that i did, but im more like "oh well, dun wan to buy lah" rather than "SCREW YOU APPLE!"

dont pretend like u pre-order, paid for it, and have to accept a 'crappy' iPad. u didnt, n life goes on. juz dont buy, easy. i dun like the iphone 3gs, so i just dont buy lah..no need to complain about it everyday right?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 08:38 PM)
If I didn't really care, I would have just shut up and watch this circus go on. My beef with the introduction of the iPad is how unnecessary this device is to the already available lineup Apple have.
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even if the ipad is a total failure, it wont affect u right? u got stock in apple is it?

yes, on the looks of it, it's an unnecessary device or us who already own a macbook n iphone or ipod touch. but not everyone does. maybe someone who insists on a desktop would appreciate this. maybe someone who's a blackberry fanatic, but wants to join in the App Store craze, but feels like ipod touch screen is way to small for surfing.
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post Jan 31 2010, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 09:12 PM)
To answer you as how rudely you've put that question out, why yes! I do have AAPL stock. It went downhill since last announcement, good time to buy them too. Don't simply assume what you don't know, "buddy". Stick at you're partially good at. Your incessant plug for your blog perhaps? rolleyes.gif

To the rest, put it this way. Most people get things because of two reasons: either it does something better than its predessor, or it does something totally new and you wanna try it. I'd totally accept if you are getting the iPad because you're moving up from the iPod Touch. Not because you're replacing a netbook because the cons outweigh the pros. I'd totally agree if you're getting it because of its document-reading aspect, because the size is now finally comfortable enough to read compared to the iPod Touch. Which also makes that a moving up from an inferior product reasoning appropriate.

Nobody answered me when I asked that question: what does the iPad does that is either better than other previous devices, or totally new and doable exclusively on the iPad to warrant getting one?
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so that explains all the rant then. probably instead of dissing iPad u shud give people a reason to buy it. that might help your stock

here's what it does better than previous devices. as u said, it's better than an ipod touch in terms of performance n usage. it's also better than a notebook in terms of portability. does that answer your question?

or if u want to look from a negative point of view, it's worse than an ipod touch because it doesnt fit in a pocket, and it's also worse than a macbook in terms of performance. two perspectives, ur pick. if this is yours, dont buy.

something new? bigger display for apps is new. multitouch iwork is new. even ebook is new for those who doesnt own an ebook reader.

is it that u expected a 10" tablet, running touchscreen OSX, that's also faster than a macbook? so that it's moving up from both ipod touch and macbooks in every single aspect? nothing wrong about wishing about that, but i dont see how apple can achieve it. and certainly not for RM2000.
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post Jan 31 2010, 10:13 PM

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yes i've kept track. n i admit that i expected the performance of somewhat a mac netbook. and also, yes it was a letdown for me, because i was thinking of buying a netbook, but i wanted something thinner. was hoping that the ipad is the solution, but then it's clearly not, so yeah. modbook would be a good choice, but i simply cant afford it.

i also said before that i hope for a ULV macbook air, a plastic one, juz so it would cost under 2k. i'd get one.

i dun see how complaining about the ipad rises u above anything. yes it's a letdown. yes we're disappointed. so let's just wait for further improvements. we're not in trouble

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post Jan 31 2010, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 31 2010, 10:21 PM)
Again, I don't think iPad is to replace the iPhone/iPod Touch or the Macbook.
I always dreamt for a gadget like an iPhone but with much bigger screen. Unfortunately, this iPad's screen is not the foldable-type display which can be folded to the size of an iPhone when not in use...
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hehe now that is very cool ;p we can dream hehe
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post Jan 31 2010, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 10:35 PM)
See? You have expectations too, it just so happens that your expectations are met and mine is not. Imagine if Apple does come out with my expected device, then our position would switch places. The question is, is Apple catering to the niche, or the majority, with this device? Is the clamoring for the tablet louder for the device of my expectation, or of yours?

All this can be solved by Apple by providing a tiered product lineup. For those like you who can accept pared-down solutionslike this in lieu of a lowered pricetag, Apple offer this device. But for those with 20+ years expectations of what a tablet SHOULD be, they should have introduced a PRO version with full OS X compliance with touch support. Unfortunately, by tradition, Apple always uses the lowest common denominator to try out the market before catering for the whole spectrum full blown, so the realization of the expected tablet device will only happen much much later when the market is comfortable with the iPad and demand for me. The thing is, those like have waited this long, and Apple wants us to wait longer?

As for the "rise above anything" comment, you need to read that again. I don't operate by deceiving people, I tell them as it is. Even if it means crapping on my bottom line. This is based on this quoted comment of yours:-

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um no, my expectations are not met. i wanted an OSX tablet, cheap one. ipad wasnt it, so we're pretty much on the same boat here. it's just that i accept that my dream tablet wasnt realized, and i also think that if it did today, i cant afford one. even a 'traditional' MBA is already 5k, turn that into a touchscreen tablet n the price will be very high.

so, yes, we should wait longer. because this is still 1st gen. that's life, the best things are always 'in the future'. that 20+ years of expectations GROWS. if this was released 20years earlier everyone would be stoked. today our 'dream apple tablet' is much2 more powerful than what we expected a few years ago. so, lets say 'touchscreen OSX tablet' will be launched in 2015, by that time we already 'expect' it to have 1 TB storage or something. it goes on and on

i believe it would suffice to just inform people ipad doesnt have this and this and this. i dont need to figure out if the ipad is a niche or majority product. macbooks are a majority products for us, but for PC users they're niche.
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post Jan 31 2010, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 31 2010, 10:56 PM)
cause from the looks of it, yes you're not a fan of apple

if u wanna continue this discussion, well go ahead, I never force you to stop anyway. smile.gif
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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Feb 1 2010, 12:13 AM)
errmm.... by reading back a few post...it makes my eyes tired where this iPad thread tend to get longer and longer debate on the pros and cons.

A few questions:
1) Besides playing games/watching movies/surfing am i able to install microsoft words in it?
2) Any 3rd party accessories such as casing n so on...would like to check on their design
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1) see if microsoft will release office for ipad version. unlikely la i think :S n apple still control what apps will be available
2) most probably apple had just sent out the product measurements to casing manufacturers. we'll see them start selling when the ipad does. no one want to buy now ma ;p
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post Feb 1 2010, 10:12 AM

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^ well said calvin_ng smile.gif

how long can ur ipod battery last? im using 1st gen too, i think i bought it in sept/nov 2007...battery still ok for me smile.gif yeah at first it was juz an ipod with a big screen n wifi...i bought it cuz i felt ipod touch got future when i see people can jailbreak and install apps. glad i was right smile.gif

so yeah, i'd appreciate a giant ipod touch. i think the price is right (for a 1st gen iDevice. it'll go down later)...i dont think it's expensive for the specs. maybe i'll get a 2nd or 3rd gen someday

one question though. does anyone have any idea how the safari browser handles tabs? this is also one huge problem i have with the ipod touch. everytime wanna switch tabs, it has to load the page again sad.gif

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flash doesnt crash a lot of PCs. it's just that flash version of Mac and also Linux is far worse. that's the problem. we're talking about macs here, so no need to mix PCs in since flash works well on them smile.gif


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post Feb 3 2010, 11:14 AM

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i dont get why people are complaining about the bezel. if the screen is right til the edge, how to hold the thing without ur thumb interacting with what u're doing? unless u prefer a handle lah, which is much much much uglier ;p

same goes to HDMI. yes i really want hdmi on my MBP, but for something like an iPad i dont see any reason to want one. what i think would be neat is miniDP IN port, so it can act as 2nd monitor for my MBP. well i can dream hehe
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Feb 3 2010, 05:42 PM)
and what is the point of having one?

iPad isn't made for graphic designers anyway..

I would prefer they use normal iPhone screen and cut down the price
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did u watch the keynote? the Brushes demo was pretty cool for a graphic designer. they can always buy a stylus

another advantage of an IPS panel is the viewing angle, dun forget that.

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