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shuto1
post Aug 27 2010, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Aug 27 2010, 07:44 AM)
We are here to share information. Not that we worship a single brand. If you ask me, Am I happy with A7s-650? Yes. Is there any other brand I'm interested? Definitely... especially the Submersive HP... if only Mark is responsive.
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LOL, I agree with that last part. More than 2 weeks and no reply. What the?? rclxub.gif
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post Sep 2 2010, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(kc01 @ Sep 2 2010, 02:20 PM)
Latest update - shipment expected to be delayed to end Oct now due to supplier unable to provide Mark new HP amp fast enough for those who opt for the HP upgrade in US. This in turn delay the availability of the old amp for us.

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That's unfortunate.

Mark's customer service is ridiculous. Sent him an email 3 weeks ago, and then re-sent it again twice and still no reply. He's not running a business. More like a hobby.

No more Submersive for me. Will take my $$$ else where. vmad.gif
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post Nov 4 2010, 08:14 PM

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post Nov 5 2010, 10:07 PM

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Thanks for all the interest and kind words. It's all set up! rclxm9.gif And here are the pictures!

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post Nov 5 2010, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 5 2010, 10:29 PM)
Shuto how did you manage to ply off the grill? Nice pics and finishing. Make me droolsss drool.gif wub.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 5 2010, 10:33 PM)
Seems to me that the grill is detachable as oppose to its official web that it is non-removable. Look at the photo, there are 4 clips to hold the grill.
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I used this:-
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LOL, no seriously, the grill is screwed on to the 4 clips that htkaki mentioned. So all you need is a screw driver and voila! But on a serious note, the driver can injure small kids if they get too close when it's pumping hard.


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QUOTE(pierreye @ Nov 5 2010, 10:14 PM)
Tomorrow morning you can tell your neighbor that there is another earthquake in Indonesia tonight smile.gif
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Hahah you're right. I'm getting a bit worried. Have to be careful when I play it and how loud I play it. When I first set it up. It was tearing my home apart shocking.gif things fell off the shelves and everything was vibrating.

QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 5 2010, 10:21 PM)
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Simply Awesome...
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Thanks!

QUOTE(dlyz @ Nov 5 2010, 10:31 PM)
My saliva keep flowing... how to make it stop......... wink.gif
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You can get a Sub 25 and satisfy your lust icon_idea.gif

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post Nov 5 2010, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Nov 5 2010, 11:05 PM)
Look at the muscular driver. I wonder how much lower can this thing goes.....single digit??
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The Paradigm website says that it's 'accurate down to 9Hz'. I don't know about 9Hz, but it definitely does below 20Hz from what I've heard.

QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 5 2010, 11:11 PM)
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How long is the delivery lead time after deposit payment?
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I was lucky. They had one in stock and it was the last one. I wanted to get the Sub 1 though, but was told that even Singapore didn't have one in stock. So I'd have to wait, dunno how long. Maybe 6 months to a year rclxub.gif
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post Nov 5 2010, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 5 2010, 11:26 PM)
So your sub 25 is v1 or v2?
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No idea. How do I check? It's pretty new and has a pretty recent firmware version when I updated it. Maybe it's a v2?

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post Nov 7 2010, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 6 2010, 12:11 AM)
Nice pics. That sure is one nice looking sub with the curves and all.

For a moment I thought "oh he bought two?!". Then I realised it was the mirror smile.gif
Definitely it goes well below 20Hz. And being sealed, it couples nicely with the room gain so the final response should be good down to single digit! You really need something like REW to graph that baby!
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Thanks! I think it looks great! It's very well finished. You're not the first to mistake the mirror image for dual subs! How I wish! But my neighbours would probably call the police with all the room shaking.

QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 6 2010, 07:57 AM)
I would be more than happy to do the Full RTA for shuto1 smile.gif
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 6 2010, 09:21 AM)

Added on November 6, 2010, 9:26 amAccording to AVS, V2 has better power output compared to V1. The grill although it would block the view of the sexy driver, it would make the sub sound better.
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I just went through the AVS Sub 25 thread and couldn't find anything on it, and online, about the different versions. But they did talk about v1, v2, v3 for the Signature series speakers. As far as I know, there's no 'official' Sub 25 updates or versions. Maybe if you could direct me to the post, that would help. Thanks!

QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Nov 6 2010, 09:40 AM)
How doest it feel?? cant wait to know the result... did your neighbor come to join u also...
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How does it feel? Well, after testing it over this weekend. I'm currently feeling a bit ill. Ill enough to turn the bass down. sweat.gif

Seems like there's a limit to how much bass my body can take. LOL Over dosed on LFE rclxub.gif

Quick Review:
When I first set it up without MCACC or PBK, I quickly tested a few Bluray movies. Initial first impressions was that it was tight. Very tight and clean. The bass could start up instantly out of no where and disappear just as suddenly. Very dynamic. It was also a bit like an uncontrolled beast. Every bass effect hit me in the chest and I could feel it vibrating the couch - and this was only at 10 o'clock volume gain. A lot of bass that you feel more than you hear. Things fell off shelves in the room next door shocking.gif It was tearing my home apart.

After that I had to stop to go out for dinner and I set up the PBK and MCACC. The next day I tested the same movies and it was night and day. So well controlled. So well behaved. The sub still went deep and LOUD, but all the unnecessary vibrations disappeared. I played the movies I tested the previous day at 12 o'clock and there was significantly less unnecessary rattling and shaking. Seems like the equalization cleaned up a lot of the unnecessary, leaving all the good. It felt a bit bloated the day before, but no more after the PBK.

The Sub25 had the power to control the room effortlessly and also matched extremely well with my Cremona Ms. I was a bit worried that that it would not be able to keep up, cause the Cremonas have very capable drivers, but no such issues. Not just with movies, but music also.

It meets the magic 5 criterias - Loud, Deep, Dynamic, Low Distortion & Looks Great!

I'm thrilled. Worth every cent smile.gif

QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 6 2010, 03:12 PM)
In this forum, yes. In Malaysia, no. Wilson Benesch Torus found owners here so as PMC high end sub along with other high end subs. Performance wise, I don't know which is better.
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Have you had the opportunity to try the Torus or PMCs? How did you find them?

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post Nov 14 2010, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 14 2010, 01:44 PM)

Added on November 14, 2010, 5:32 pmI just found out that 2 units of sub 25 have been sold. Lolz
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Wah maybe Logit85 already bought dual Sub25s.

So have u decided between the Sub25 & SB13? I would consider dual subs if my room/home was suitable but it's not. So single sub for me. So I'll probably pick up another Sub25 when I move to a new place in the future. Hopefully they still sell it then.
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post Dec 1 2010, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Dec 1 2010, 09:34 PM)
Luckily I am not an SF fanboy. tongue.gif
Paradigm is more value for money.
S8v3 is USD8k a pair. How much is it in bolehland? sweat.gif
Come Jan 2011, Paradigm might announce and release new series in CES.
ronaldjoe: Welcome to the Sub 25 family smile.gif Now you're in sub heaven!

Ehhh... you have to go listen to the Sonus... admire it's curves... touch & feel the quality of the materials used... listen to how it sings to you with it's sweet sweet voice... makes you weak in your knees... then you would understand why I think it's value for money thumbup.gif *poison poison poison

I thought the S8 was good, though feel the Sonus is on a different level. But as it's commonly said: hifi can be subjective wink.gif

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post Feb 7 2011, 09:44 PM

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Does anyone have any experience with the Wilson Benesch Torus? My brother is considering one.

http://wilson-benesch.com/2010/06/torus/
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post Feb 7 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Feb 7 2011, 09:48 PM)
IIRC, it was on demo during lasy year KLIAV. Uber elite infrasonic generator! (Pls don't categorise it as subwoofer tongue.gif)

http://wilson-benesch.com/2010/06/torus/

Was told that it is amazing for music.
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Lol infrasonic generator. They created a new category just for it! Would you get a Sub 2 or the infrasonic generator? tongue.gif

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post Feb 8 2011, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Feb 7 2011, 10:28 PM)
There were 'isolated' reports on Sub2's problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....1191757&page=33

Anyhow, I could not afford either one tongue.gif
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Hmmmm that's unfortunate, thanks for the heads up. Don't know if they can repair Sub 2s in Malaysia. Probably have to send it overseas.. would be a hassle - something you wouldn't expect when you pay RM25k shocking.gif
QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Feb 7 2011, 11:09 PM)
If money is not an issue, 2 x Sub2 as side tables.  thumbup.gif
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lol - side tables. For some reason, my brother prefers the look of the Sub25, though I like the Sub2. In the end I think he's decided to go for a nice looking sub instead - B&W PV1 in silver. It'll be mated with a Sonus Faber Amati so it will purely be used for music. I think the PV1 should be fast enough.

QUOTE(jchong @ Feb 8 2011, 08:04 AM)
The Torus is a rare animal. Doubt anybody here has much experience with it.

I still don't quite understand how it works, but looking at the specs it might be more suited to music than HT. The max output is 100dB at 1m (not specified which freq), which will probably not be enough for movies.

Anyway a thread for you to read: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....highlight=torus

This review has some curves: http://www.wilson-benesch.com/stereoplaytorus.pdf
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I'm the same boat as you, I spent a few quick minutes trying to understand some specs and reviews and I still don't really understand it.

htkaki is right flex.gif . It's not exactly a 'subwoofer'

Thanks for the resources/link. You guys are great! notworthy.gif
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post Feb 8 2011, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Feb 8 2011, 04:11 PM)
Taiko, are you letting go the sub25? And going for sub2?
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No no.. not selling the Sub25. It's more than enough for me now. Will keep it for a long while. Will probably change speakers though.

I see you're selling your Sub25. You're not happy with it?

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post Feb 8 2011, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Feb 8 2011, 04:58 PM)
ronaldjoe is happy with his Sub25.

However, he would be happier if he get Sub2 tongue.gif

B&W PV1?! eerrr....
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Oh? Look at ronaldjoe's signature - WTS Klipsch RS-42 Surround Speaker, SVS SB13+, Paradigm Sub25

Ehhh.. any other nice looking musical subs you'd recommend?
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 8 2011, 05:59 PM)
Shuto,

While I do not think it will be as powerful as the Sub25, how about the Rythmik D15SE?
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Thanks Anfieldude thumbup.gif - good idea. Forgot about that. Would anyone know how it might sound compared to the other 15" subs in the Rythmik line?
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post Feb 8 2011, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Feb 8 2011, 06:46 PM)
Oppsss... doh.gif I forgot to update. RS is sold.
I got my paradigm center today. No money for SF  drool.gif

Probably I would get a second sub25 instead of a sub2.
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Paradigm Center? Nice! smile.gif pictures pictures please! Don't worry about the SF, like you said, the Paradigm is good bang for the buck, BUT it's only a matter of time, then you really should trade up to a SF biggrin.gif you should go audition one. They've vocally very good centers.

A second Sub25? Nice... You'll have a real awesome sub experience then! Not that 1x Sub 25 isn't enough already lol I probably won't be getting another subwoofer for a long time. 1x Sub25 is plenty enough for me. Now I just need to save money for new preamp & amplifier @.@ those things are just so over priced moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif

QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 8 2011, 07:20 PM)
Its a downfiring sub. Its shd be similar to the F15 sound but might yield some increase in SPL if the floor is concrete and coupled with a corner loaded as its firing essentially into a true corner boundary.  However, I am not too sure if the increase is significant.
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Great to know. They look pretty nice in Piano black too.

QUOTE(jchong @ Feb 8 2011, 07:30 PM)
There's the JL F113 or SVS SB13+
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 8 2011, 07:36 PM)
Also not to be ruled out would be the upcoming SVS SB16 and JL Audios very own Gotham! And the Seatons with the newer finishes.
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thumbup.gif Thanks for the recommendation. I suggested to my brother the JL F113s though, but he wanted something 'pretty' to match his decor. The box subwoofers look a bit too conventional for his setting. I'd gladly go with 2x JL F113s.

QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Feb 8 2011, 07:44 PM)
That's the one I was looking at, that's why I posted a page back if anyone had any experience with it. It sure does look interesting. The other 'pretty' whistling.gif and considerably cheaper option that was considered is the B&W PV1.


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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Feb 8 2011, 08:01 PM)
The G213 would be a killer sub for HT and music.

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The G213 looks real bad ass! Though I remember reading in a Sub2 review that the reviewer preferred the Sub2 to the G213. And the Sub2 is cheaper to boot! laugh.gif


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post Feb 8 2011, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Feb 8 2011, 09:26 PM)
Your brother must have a very nice designer decor. If he doesn't want the conventional box subs that limits the choices considerably...
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ya, he's building his house from scratch, so it's got a pretty nice designer decor. It's almost complete so he's working on 'furnishing' it with subwoofers and stuff! But ya, it will be matched with a nice pair of Sonus Faber Amati speakers, in a modern design, open living room. So a big black box anywhere in the room will stick out like a sore thumb! Hence the need for something that looks good. rclxub.gif I agree. If only there was a way to hide a big black box

QUOTE(htkaki @ Feb 8 2011, 09:55 PM)
shuto, looking for McIntosh pre-amp?

I am looking for a pre-amp to match my Class A power amp too.
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Oh... nice... I'm looking for pre and power. Currently considering the McIntosh C500 pre-amp and MC1.2KW power amp. Either that or a Pass Labs XA160.5. But I still have time. No rush. Still need to read up more and hopefully be able to audition.

What pre-amp do you have your sights on?

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post Feb 19 2011, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 19 2011, 09:42 PM)
Hey, I have stereo subwoofers! IMHO, its nice to have, but well setup one does its job for music well enuf.
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I'm of the same opinion, though I'll probably buy a 2nd Sub25 when I move to a different place for that added Ooomph for HT.

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post Mar 18 2011, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(kc01 @ Mar 18 2011, 10:46 AM)
OMG! My beast is here after waiting close to 8 months! My beast, my Submersive! Freaking big box! Quickly tested War of the World's pod emerging scene and Die Hard 4.0 tunnel scene, first impression - I'm grinning ear to ear!
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Congratulations, it's been such a long wait, I'm sure it's all worth it! Do share with us your full review! rclxms.gif


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