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post Nov 3 2010, 10:28 PM

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err..can someone help...

I think something wrong with my Sub..

At certain times, the sub seem got 'krrreeek' sound especially those really loud bass scenes. It happens exactly same scenes everytime....
I changed the cables, clean the contacts and even change the Sub source from the amp to my Dune's Sub out...still got the same Kreek sound at the same loud bass scenes...but other times its OK...

I'm not sure what went wrong, the speaker cone looks OK..

Even if I lower the Volume, at the same scenes..the 'kreeek' can be heared.
It first happened when i played The legend of Boneknappers Dragon...now the abnormal seems can be heared more often.
But for some movies, its OK.


sighs...

Thanks

This post has been edited by azbro: Nov 3 2010, 10:34 PM
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post Nov 4 2010, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Nov 4 2010, 12:01 AM)
What Sub brand are you using?
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post Nov 4 2010, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Nov 4 2010, 10:18 AM)
You can check the spider. Normally the first thing to koyak if overdrive.
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ohh..really huh...Spider koyak oledi..hmm..I'm not gonna spend 2K on another sub...probably need to go to car accessories shop to hunt for Subwoofer...I hope they are exchangeable..
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post Nov 4 2010, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Nov 4 2010, 10:18 AM)
You can check the spider. Normally the first thing to koyak if overdrive.
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I've opened it up..no not spider...seems OK..


QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Nov 4 2010, 12:35 PM)
If hapens exactly the same scenes, and with lower volume too..
Then i would say it might be the source(disk) got proble...
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Could be, I need to analyze this, I've collected those problematic movies...

QUOTE(choontoy @ Nov 4 2010, 01:50 PM)
Could be capacitor leakage.
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most probably


QUOTE(arremie @ Nov 4 2010, 02:00 PM)
step by step ma. if straightaway from cap ayam to svs then they wont know how to appreciate the price they have paid smile.gif
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hehe..thanks for the recommendation...
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post Nov 4 2010, 11:16 PM

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hmm, can anyone recommend me a way to check Audio frequency of DTS and DD?

I need to check the LFE frequency...seems like for some movies there is a clipping sound on DTS..i doubt its my Subwoofer is the problem cause I've dismantle it, check for physical, problems and also tried with other bass heavy movies.

i did try to google for 'Audio Frequency Checker' etc...but mostly I got is more to external Sound analyzer..not 5.1 Channel analyzer. i want to check internal MKV audio freq that is DD or DTS.

Please dun ask me to download Sony Vegas...that one needs a degree in Computer Engineering to use laugh.gif

Thanks in advance

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post Nov 5 2010, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 5 2010, 08:35 AM)
There is a dolby encoded test disc that reproduces the frequencies that u need to test to see if there is a problem with ur sub. Its at the AVS forum and is a free download. I will see if I can find the link, else I will pm u and we can see how I can pass u the disc.
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Well, I've googled around and still can't get that test disc..

While google, i read that AVIA is best for this (I have AVIA), but the setup is more for speakers set as 'Small' . Mine is set all to large (except the center) cause using Floorstanders capable of reaching 50hz.

i hope you can get the links...thanks..

QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 5 2010, 09:05 AM)
Not sure, but I think azbro wants a software that can analyze the DD or DTS core within a MKV file.
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Yes, if got better cause I'm really not sure which is broken, Sub?, the source itself?...I can't be spending money on another sub when the source is actually the problem.

I think Sony Vegas can do it, but to operate it, seems like needs a computer degree to understand..haha


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post Nov 5 2010, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 5 2010, 09:54 AM)
Ronald is right. Moreover it will be taxing for avr to produce low freq. My front goes down to 38Hz, center 49Hz and front wide at 48Hz. I set all to small.
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OK, I'll try out 'Small' Pity, nice floorstanders...hope i get the same midbass punch using 'Small'


QUOTE(mikapoh @ Nov 5 2010, 10:42 AM)
Extracted below from Chris Kyriakakis, CTO Audyssey Lab to comment on "LARGE" & "SMALL"
Happy reading.  nod.gif

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Thanks, but seriously, dun understand at all blush.gif

QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 5 2010, 11:27 AM)
To test the sub, do you have access to test tones or a test sweep? You can then play the tones to see if any funny sounds come from the sub. I think you might be able to download REW and use it just to output to the sub and listen for funny sounds.

To test if it is the source, go to a friend's house, play the same scene and listen if his sub makes that funny noise. Personally I doubt if it is the source. It is possible the source might have a very strong bass level, and if you turn up the volume it might cause the amp to clip or driver to bottom out. But this is not a fault of the source, more like the other equipment cannot handle the source.
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I check the Avia II disc and it has freq sweep even for the Subs..so I tested it...seems OK...no funny cracking sound.

I can't be sure if it is the Source or not.

I have 3 problematic movies for the bass.
True Legend (CHD) : The bass cracks at certain parts even when I turn down the volume soft. Thats for DTS, when i change to DD, it sounds a bit different, but there were no crack sound.
Avatar Last Airbender (cbgb): The bass cracks at 1 scene. Couldn't change audio as it came with DTS only.
Legend of Boneknapper Dragon Untouched: There were 2 parts were the Boneknapper Dragon started having voice coming out from the Sub! Thats for DolbyTrueHD, but normal AC3 it was fine.

In all occasion, even making the volume softer didn't change anything. Can still hear go crack sound.

Anyway, see how it goes..

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post Nov 5 2010, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Nov 5 2010, 10:14 PM)
Tomorrow morning you can tell your neighbor that there is another earthquake in Indonesia tonight smile.gif
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post Nov 8 2010, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Nov 8 2010, 08:19 AM)
re-watch "AVATAR" last night, compared to my last viewing with Marantz SR6003, it a new experience with Onkyo TX-SR808, the LFE are so much better thumbup.gif
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How can you re-watch Avatar again so may times?...seriously...nowadays, someone demo avatar, I turn to sleep mode biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Nov 26 2010, 09:43 AM)
Have u guys listened to the LFE on Scott Pilgrim vs the World?

The Fight scenes have over the top punch effects..

And there is the scene where scott and evil-ex-boyfriend number 3 have a bass-off with bass guitars...

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post Nov 28 2010, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Nov 28 2010, 07:31 AM)
hahaha... maybe bolehland is plus 10%.. tongue.gif
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post Jan 7 2011, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Dec 21 2010, 03:32 PM)
On lighter note, I think my Mordaunt Short Mezzo looks identical to Triangle Quartet. Observe the tweeter design on top & the curve shape of the speaker box based on the same philosophy to minimize resonance.

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Who's copying who  hmm.gif ? Wonder how the 2 pits against each other in pure stereo mode.  rclxms.gif  tongue.gif  Care for a shoot-out?
Htkaki must have lots of comments on above statement.....hahaha. Don't flame me.
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HTKaki,

I'm just curious, when we use floorstanders like that, do we still set it to 'Small' on the AVR?

Will it be a waste to buy a floorstanders that is capable of 50Hz and then cut it to 80~100Hz using 'Small'?
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post Jan 8 2011, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 7 2011, 07:17 PM)
azbro,

I'm not htkaki butif the floorstander is capable till 50Hz, then cut it off at 70Hz. (20Hz above the rating). Still set it small.

My speakers are rated at 37Hz. If u look at the anechoic chamber FR u will notice that it is flat till about 60Hz then it starts to roll off. The roll off continues till about 37Hz where it is -3dB. As you can see, it starts to roll off at about 20Hz from its rating. For music, it will do fine playing full range as most instruments (even bass guitars) don't go much below 30Hz and normally not at high SPLs anyway (unless bass heavy tracks).

Also most front speakers are ported and tuned at higher frequencies. What I find now is that a proper sealed sub can supplement a good floorstander for music as well. It just gives u the extra depth... (the warmth that people talk about)

For movies, the fronts and the centre do a lot of work. So to take the load off, setting to small and redirecting bass to a capable sub will allow more definations for the fronts.
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Thanks for the info...so, safe to say, even if sub cut off at 70hz, and the speakers are set as 'Small', the floorstanders (with 2 6inch or 1 8inch) will give more bass than bookshelf speakers?

I feel like wasted investing in all Floorstanders (except the center) when I just needed a bookself or puny surround speakers.

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 8 2011, 03:06 PM)
There is almost always more bass on a floorstander than a book shelf. (Note  : almost always, depends on the design)

For music, moving from bookshelves to floorstanders were a revelation for me at least.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Feb 20 2011, 09:57 PM)
Just found out that maja_5365 no longer with us sad.gif . He passed away peacefully on 4th Feb 2011.

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