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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v3, Everything you need to know about bass!

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jimmyteng18
post May 22 2010, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 21 2010, 11:46 AM)
Cool. What is the technical specs on them?
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As promised, attached are the photos of my speaker.
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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ May 22 2010, 09:00 AM)
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As promised, attached are the photos of my speaker.
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post May 22 2010, 10:58 AM

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Sorry, bro. My set-up quite messy and not nice. Peasant one....he..he..
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post May 22 2010, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ May 22 2010, 10:58 AM)
Sorry, bro. My set-up quite messy and not nice. Peasant one....he..he..
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too bad u feel dat way... then just keep it 2 urself then tongue.gif
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post May 24 2010, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 21 2010, 10:24 AM)
Jimmy,

As htkaki said, set both to 100Hz. How low does ur Sony sub go? Was this a standalone sub or something from a HTIB?

Why don't u use Audyssey? Did u run into any problems? If u did run Audyssey, could u let me know the settings that Audyssey suggested?

Also as htkaki asks, pls let us know what speakers u use?
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Hi Sifu, attached are the Audyssey results.


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post May 24 2010, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ May 24 2010, 09:01 AM)
Hi Sifu, attached are the Audyssey results.
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Sifu, any abnormalities?


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post May 24 2010, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ May 24 2010, 09:02 AM)
Sifu, any abnormalities?
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Is the front L/R same speakers as the centre?

Did u use a tripod when measuring?

Was the room quiet when u did it? Was there extraneous noise when the fronts were being measured?

If there were no measurement errors, and ur fronts are the same models and specs as ur centre, then ur primary seating place is causing the xovers to be set very high for ur fronts. There is some cancelation. Based on this and ur subwoofer not being able to handle below 100Hz, u will lose some impact from the fronts as they are crossed over at 150Hz, and ur sub at 100Hz.

However, my main suspicion is ur placement. U might need to move the fronts slightly forward and tilted to get rid of the null in ur seating position.

Also are the fronts rear ported? or front ported?
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post May 24 2010, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 24 2010, 09:11 AM)
Is the front L/R same speakers as the centre?
Yes

Did u use a tripod when measuring?
No, I don't have 1. But I used a wooden chair to simulate my hearing height position.

Was the room quiet when u did it? Was there extraneous noise when the fronts were being measured?
Room quiet. Fans and lighting all OFF.

If there were no measurement errors, and ur fronts are the same models and specs as ur centre, then ur primary seating place is causing the xovers to be set very high for ur fronts. There is some cancelation. Based on this and ur subwoofer not being able to handle below 100Hz, u will lose some impact from the fronts as they are crossed over at 150Hz, and ur sub at 100Hz.
Should I modity the xovers setting manually? Let's say, set the fronts and centre at the same xovers freq.?

However, my main suspicion is ur placement. U might need to move the fronts slightly forward and tilted to get rid of the
null in ur seating position.
I don't have much space. Tilted, u means toe-in?

Also are the fronts rear ported? or front ported?
Fronts and Centre are rear ported.
For Fronts speakers, the top and bottom are the Mid, the middle is the tweeter. Same for Centre speaker.


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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ May 24 2010, 09:22 AM)

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Yes, toe in and bring it slightly forward. Ur results indicate that the room is causing some issues.

I would not modify the xovers for now. Needs some investigating. Also I would advise against using the mic on a chair.

Pls PM me, since u r in Pg, maybe we can check it out.
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post May 24 2010, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 24 2010, 09:27 AM)
Yes, toe in and bring it slightly forward. Ur results indicate that the room is causing some issues.

I would not modify the xovers for now. Needs some investigating. Also I would advise against using the mic on a chair.

Pls PM me, since u r in Pg, maybe we can check it out.
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After the Audyssey, compared to my origin manually set-up, I felt the surround(SR,SL) and fronts separation are more details, bass was a bit boomy, but is OK for me.

Overall, feels good.

PMed!!
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I have modified my Russ Andrew power cord.. sweat.gif
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post May 24 2010, 04:04 PM

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what u add?

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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ May 24 2010, 09:42 AM)
After the Audyssey, compared to my origin manually set-up, I felt the surround(SR,SL) and fronts separation are more details, bass was a bit boomy, but is OK for me.

Overall, feels good.

PMed!!
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Jimmy, next thing is room acoustic treatment thumbup.gif .

If you have SPL meter, you can use REW software to see the interaction of you subwoofer with your room.
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QUOTE(mpyw @ May 24 2010, 04:04 PM)
what u add?
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I add aluminium foil and use rubber tape to tape it nicely... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ May 24 2010, 10:07 PM)
I add aluminium foil and use rubber tape to tape it nicely... tongue.gif
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to isolate RFI/EMI kah? tongue.gif


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[quote=gocitygo,May 24 2010, 05:58 PM]
Jimmy, next thing is room acoustic treatment thumbup.gif .

If you have SPL meter, you can use REW software to see the interaction of you subwoofer with your room.
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gocitygo, maybe I will try to re-run the Audyssey with some guidelines from AVS forum.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 24 2010, 10:53 PM)
to isolate RFI/EMI kah?  tongue.gif
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Ya la..

Now the sound got alot improvement..

I just try on thus album: 惠威试音天碟Ⅰ.(人声试音)

How it sound now:
1) not so bright, very warm.
2) clean up alot rubbish, back gound sound more silent.
3) female vocal is very clear.
4) male vocal so deep and detail, can hear the song come out from his throat.
5) mid bass is a bit more powerfull, I never hear my Celestion 1 MK2 sound so good since my previous Nakamichi.
6) sound stage is more open with more bass extension.
7) make the speaker sound bigger.

I never believe power cord can make so much improvement.. sweat.gif

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Wait til you try a power conditioner brows.gif

For power cord, I have a few Supra Lorad, 2x Kimber Kable Classic, 3x Russ Andrew PowerMax Plus (still virgin sweat.gif ), XLO Reference 2 and 3. Last week tested out the power conditioner. Tacima is no match to this. Surprisingly good performance esp on stereo. Tightened up the bass notes, vocal becomes more focus and it hold well for treble too even at high volume. Now, thinking of getting it. Need to check how many US plugs and UK plus to be customized in it since can put 6.


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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 25 2010, 12:01 PM)
Wait til you try a power conditioner  brows.gif

For power cord, I have a few Supra Lorad, 2x Kimber Kable Classic, 3x Russ Andrew PowerMax Plus (still virgin sweat.gif ), XLO Reference 2 and 3. Last week tested out the power conditioner. Tacima is no match to this. Surprisingly good performance esp on stereo. Tightened up the bass notes, vocal becomes more focus and it hold well for treble too even at high volume. Now, thinking of getting it. Need to check how many US plugs and UK plus to be customized in it since can put 6.
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Wow, u still have so many virgin cable...

Can power conditioner so good??

if i hear it i sure kena poison..

Which power conditioner is better?


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post May 25 2010, 01:10 PM

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I am thinking of getting the PS Audio Quintet that comes with 6 plugs in near future.

But then, I need to convert my UK plug to US type. hmm.gif


The big concern is my SVS Sub with the heavy power cord. If I were to change a better power cord with the IEC type, will it filter out any unwanted noises in the SVS bash amp?? Can this improve the sub performance coz I still believe its original power cord.









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