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 YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL, VERSION 2

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post Dec 31 2009, 11:30 AM

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Checking in!

New year new hope.
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post Jan 1 2010, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(tigana @ Dec 31 2009, 08:21 PM)
OK, thanks for the quick reply.
Even its the norm - its not right.
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Whevener you queue an order, that's the risk you exposed yourself to. You can't say its not right because you were ignorant of the rules.

I do recommend you buy or sell from the current queues if you want to prevent it from happening in the future. Which is common in low volume shares or whenever you queue a few ticks above/below the current trading band of any counter.

Happen to some other forumers last time who queue to buy a penny stock which is less than 20 sens per share. End up only 1 lot was sold to him, and he still needed to pay the minimum transaction fee. So for RM20 worth of stock, he needed to pay at least RM40 bucks in charges. Suffice to say, he didn't make the same mistake again. tongue.gif
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post Jan 2 2010, 10:21 AM

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This coming Monday is the ex-date for the January dividend, payment will be on 21st January.


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post Feb 25 2010, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Feb 25 2010, 08:14 PM)
Hello fellow YTLP shareholders... congrats for the 3.75divvy rclxms.gif

I'm reading through the report and from A7, Segment Reporting seems like all the revenues from various businesses have doubled compared to the previous qtr. Is there anything unusual that we should note here ? I mean uhm, power consumption suddenly spiked during the last 3 months ?  hmm.gif

plz advice if i have left out anything important..  notworthy.gif
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I assume you are talking about section A7 on the report under segmental reporting. It's not double, rather the sum shown is the accumulated value over 6 months.


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post Feb 25 2010, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Feb 25 2010, 08:53 PM)
Did not mention 7.5% liable to taxation, I assume is tax-free.
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Yeah it's single tier, meaning taxed at company level.
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post Feb 25 2010, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Feb 25 2010, 09:56 PM)
1. what is the good price to buy?
2. if i buy before 15.3, am i still entitled for the dividend?
3. Is it worth to buy at a high price just for the dividend? as price will surely fall once the distribution is over.#
4. if i buy 1000 unit, how much am dividend am i entitled for?
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1. Anything below RM2.10 IMO.
2. Yes
3. Nope, not worth to buy just for dividend as the price will be inflated after a dividend announcement. Buy after dividend when the hype is over if you plan a long term investment. Then let it sleep as you collect every quarter.
4. RM37.50



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post Feb 25 2010, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Feb 25 2010, 10:41 PM)
what does IMO mean?

how long do i have to wait for the price to be stable after the announcement of dividend?
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IMO = In My Opinion

Really don't know the answer to that question. All depends on market.
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post Feb 26 2010, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(EddyHyip @ Feb 26 2010, 12:12 PM)
In average, investing in YTL does give good appreciation?
if average divident is 0.0037 per share, it's better than keeping in fd right now...
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So far in terms of capital appreciation, its minimal. Dividend has been consistent though.
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post Feb 26 2010, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Feb 26 2010, 12:18 PM)
The dividend is every quarter or annually?

I saw some people mention 7.5% and some mention 0.0037 per share. Is it the same?
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Almost every quarter, I believe 3rd quarter there is no dividend.

7.5% is based on par value, which comes to 0.0375 sens a share.
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post Feb 27 2010, 08:15 AM

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If we look at the figures in the latest quarter, Power Seraya is now contributing significantly. Compared to last quarter it only made RM59mil which is half of what we expect, this quarter it is reported that they made RM128 mil which is more in line with expectations.

As some of you YTLPOWER fans know, we calculated that Power Seraya may contribute as much as RM400 mil per year to YTLPOWER net profit. RM128 mil a quarter is a really a fantastic performance for Power Seraya. If they keep this up, we might see an EPS improvement of at least 30%. In other words, stock price have some room for improvement.
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post Feb 27 2010, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Feb 27 2010, 11:26 AM)
New shares listed.


Added on February 27, 2010, 11:31 am

Thanks Skidd,

Mind to share from where you got the RM 128 MILLION contribution from power seraya. From what i can see is RM 188 MILLION PROFIT BEFORE TAXATION CONTRIBUTED by POWER SERAYA. Comparing with prvevious quarters of RM 60 MILLION. It is almost 200% increase !!!  ohmy.gif
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RM188 mil is the accumulated value which includes last quarters RM59 mil. Thus this quarter it contributes about RM128 mil. All the values are not quarterly but year to date, thus values are sometimes 2 times of last quarters value simply because it adds to it. So its more like 116% increase.
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post Mar 1 2010, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(calmwater @ Mar 1 2010, 10:07 AM)
Something does not seem right with YTLPOWR. Could be the POUND. I dont like what I see. Sold all my stock today. Good luck to everyone.
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Calm, can share what is it that spooked you? blink.gif
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post Mar 1 2010, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 1 2010, 04:37 PM)
Base on current EPS of around 4 cents. YTL POWER is trading at PE of around 14 times. I would say it futures growth will very much depends on how prudent Francis Yeoh utilize the 8 billion cash on future acquisition. As we can see base on 16 cents EPS per annum basically it is almost paying 100% or more from their earnings.

For POWER SERAYA CASE, it will contribute around 400 million per annum to ytlpower in terms of net profit base on projection. But refer on the past 2 quarterly report the sum up of profit before taxation was only 188 million only from seraya instead of 200 million and it is profit before taxation somemore.
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I'll share something I intepreted from the report.

The EPS this quarter is not very accurate. Mainly because the 750 mil shares converted from the WA in the last quarter is not fully represented in the report. It only shows 350 mil shares added to the overall share outstanding which allow the EPS to show a 10% increase. However if you add the balance 400 mil shares, the EPS will be diluted to 3.77 sens per share which is lower than previous quarter.

NTA did increase though as they rake in the cash from the last batch of WA conversions, almost RM900 mil of cash acquired from the shareholders in the last quarter.

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post Mar 5 2010, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Mar 5 2010, 08:29 AM)
Really miss the boat when YTL Power dipped lower at 2.15 in 2-3 weeks ago....

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I think you'll get your chance again in a few weeks. Although YTLPOWER is slightly higher, there is always a chance of a dip again.
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post Mar 6 2010, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(protonw @ Mar 6 2010, 09:28 PM)
Check back earlier posts, he has got more than it.. whistling.gif
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Haha I think a lot of YTLPOWER's investors would like to have as much as darkknight. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 8 2010, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Mar 8 2010, 11:23 AM)
Question : What is the difference between a man with a million YTLPWR Shares and a man with 11 kids ?
Answer : The man with 11 kids has had enough ! biggrin.gif
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Haha good one Whizzer!
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post Mar 10 2010, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Mar 10 2010, 01:45 PM)
YTL Power's 13.3m new shares to list Thursday

KUALA LUMPUR: YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL BHD []'s additional 13.3 million new shares will be listed on Thursday, March 10.

A Bursa Malaysia Securities listing circular said on Wednesday 13.279 million new shares arose from the exchange of YTL Power Finance (Cayman) Ltd's five-year zero coupon guaranteed exchangeable bonds 2005/2010 into shares.

Another 22,000 new shares were issued under the employees' share option scheme.
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the last bond conversion was November 23 2009, 1.2M shares

any opinion on this ?
i think the price can get hit back to 2.20 or lower....
In addition, the EPS will be diluted from this exercise, right ?

plz correct me if i'm wrong...  notworthy.gif
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Their total shares is almost 6.7 bil shares outstanding. 13 mil new shares is like a drop in the swimming pool. Don't worry, will have no effect whatsoever.
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post Mar 10 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 10 2010, 02:44 PM)
Skid any news on ytlpower?  tongue.gif Why the buying volume so high  hmm.gif
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Really don't know. I only suspect its because their Power Seraya 800MW co-gen unit is already running from January, so this quarter will be seeing some contribution from it. But actually I was expecting YTLPOWER to drop even more due to GBP, was already planning to add bit more to make a round number for my holdings.


Added on March 10, 2010, 2:57 pm
QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 10 2010, 02:46 PM)
0.013/6.7 x 100% = 0.19 % only  laugh.gif


Added on March 10, 2010, 2:47 pm

Not much treasury shares left. Lazy to find out the figure but i remember not much lar  wink.gif So is impossible.
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They only have about 50+ mil shares as treasury at the moment, so it is unlikely.

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post Mar 10 2010, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 10 2010, 03:00 PM)
The 800MW i believe already factored in as it is an old news. So most probably is something else i believe. But the way i look at it... Why YTLPOWER don want to pay off their debts with their 8 billion cash pile instead of issuing new shares? Must be some acquisition coming soon.
I think you are right about them paying debts. They have some expiring bonds soon this year so will need cash to settle those. Actually if they settle a lot of their interest bearing borrowings, their gearing will go down a lot but then who knows what they are planning with all the cash.


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post Mar 15 2010, 08:35 AM

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Wah at last some news of their water ventures. Though its not very specific yet what they are suppose to do.

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