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wha7ever
post Dec 28 2009, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(clivengu @ Dec 28 2009, 01:13 AM)
HAPPY BELATED CHRISTMAS!!!! hahaha.. n oso ALPHA V35!!!  tongue.gif quite long din come back to check the thread oredi.
Just complete one job (no pay) taking my friend's wedding yesterday from morning 6am to 11pm... now legs are in pain cause squat a lot.. n my right hand is shaking...Good experience though.. i have been waiting for this kind of experience for sometime.

I am just the backup photographer. The main photographer is a more experience canon user, groom's relative. So many time i have to give priority for the main photographer n Videographer... & there are time when i missed the best moment  cry.gif I missed the part where the groom finally manage to enter d bride's room!!!!.. i totally have no room to squeeze in.. but seeing how the main photographer guide the couple n ready for the each important moment...really good thing to learn... Im just a bit upset I dont know how to speak cantonese.. is hard to tell people what to do in mandarin.. (like weird) communication problem...

The night dinner in restaurant is still tricky with the lighting... still couldnt get the exact right way. I should get myself a colour gel.. Now i get all weird weird inconsistent white balance.... rclxub.gif Luckily got A700 manage to push my iso up to 1000-1200 to cut down the need of flash power...

I brought my A100 along too but end up not using it... cause feel like all my photos taken r Blur, i think is the lcd resolution make me think so... n oso iso performance..Only can use 50mm f1.4 on it. So I carry my A100 with me so i can swap lens when needed.. i think i need to get a lowepro lens side pocket next time.. most of d time i just put my lens on the table n everywhere after i changed d lens.. so dangerous....

Really wish to take more wedding photos... any 1 needs backup assistant can ask me... for free  whistling.gif

Will post some photos here to share after im done editing them all... got almost 20GB of photos...1500 photos~  doh.gif
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Clive, I too not good in speaking cantonese and had minor backup photographer experience for Chinese wedding. Having use A300 on Aperture priority is quite suffering and in the end I resort in using full manual mode for everything (including flash) tongue.gif

Come to think of it, it's actually quite fun to be backup photographer as we don't have to follow the bride and groom all the time; but can move more freely, taking pictures of 'heng tai' and 'chi muis' while the bride and groom were in the tea ceremony (where by main photographer handling it). That's where most of the interesting items happening with heng tai and chi muis. Tea Ceremony was quite boring and repetitive smile.gif
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post Dec 28 2009, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Dec 28 2009, 11:00 AM)
mind sharing why isit suffering to use A mode on A300?
Let's just say that time my flash is not co-operating with me.

Edit: I wanted full control over my flash to get the results I want. Btw, that time was using F42 which I can't control manually on A mode.

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post Dec 28 2009, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Dec 28 2009, 01:59 PM)
i like the colors

i think u shud understand how ur A/M mode works with flash.
i am one that will always recommend M mode if you are using your flash as the main light..
however, for daytime fill flash, i will recommend one to use A mode...
just a personal preference perhaps..
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Before I got my first flash, I was already using M all the way with my camera hence didn't explore much on P A S mode using a flash. When asking advise on wedding photography, most photogs advise to stick to A or S and let the camera do the work. But all else failed, hence stick back to M which I'm much more comfortable in:D

QUOTE(albnok @ Dec 28 2009, 02:19 PM)
wha7ever: You can enable Manual Power flash while in Aperture Priority - it's a custom function on your F42. Refer to your manual on how to activate it.
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Noted!
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post Dec 28 2009, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(clivengu @ Dec 28 2009, 06:45 PM)
I usually use M mode.. & control the aperture n shutter speed let say i know the slowest shutter speed i can handle is 1/50 sec... then i set tat, n the flash to Auto..letting the flash to judge how much more light is required. One thing i find extremely helpful in the A700 is the Custom 1,2,3... allow me to set before hand. example...

C1 = iso 1000, 1/60 sec, F2.8, WB 5500k on my Tamron 1750 , with flash on.... usually for single/double candid shot
C2= iso 1250, 1/50 sec, F5.6, WB 5500k on my Tamron 1750, with flash on.... usually for group photo
C3= iso 800 1/60 sec, F2, WB 3400k on my 50mm F1.4 without flash.... for pinpoint candid shot.

Work tat way n It really save me a lot of trouble...

Yeah looking back my photos.. i would say luckily im just the backup photographer.. because i can get a lot of interesting shot from the side. n i can oso zoom in to give a more bokeh background/foreground. If im the main photographer infront of the bride/groom... im pretty sure i hv to use a wider angle.. and yeah many shots will be repetitive especially Tea Ceremony n it bcome the main photographer responsibility to take every each of them... while im just working on getting the most artistic view around ... i actually still can run around.. missing some of the tea session. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Looks like custom settings comes in pretty handy. Too bad A300 and the other low entry doesn't come with them. Hence have to move my finger quick to adjust Aperture / Shutter, and my ISO stuck at 400 biggrin.gif


Albnok : I manage to unlock the manual mode for F42 on Aperture Priority mode. Didn't manage to check the manual but manage to play around to get it. Thanks for the heads up! I didn't knew about it until you mentioned it smile.gif
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post Dec 30 2009, 02:40 PM

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destfull : Felt sorry for you, hope you got it back!

hongyew : Might be a dumb question. What kind of vibration? I thought there is always minute shake when turn on/off. Btw, my longest service for my camera was 3 weeks. That's when they replace 3 parts for my viewfinder.

coolio2199 : Can go any shop and ask. Fotokem should be able to give you at the price of RM 30. I got mine last time for RM 20 with the camera at Fotokem.
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post Dec 30 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Dec 30 2009, 02:46 PM)
coolio2199, be careful about filter. There are a lot of Cap Ayam filter in the market and the shops will try to con as much as they can with it.

For SAL1870 filter, I wouldn't spend anything more than RM50.
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True, but it's not easy to tell which is fake/original. Mine is Hoya, but not sure original or fake... didn't cause much focus hunting at indoors though.
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post Jan 13 2010, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Jan 13 2010, 06:44 PM)
everyone sure wan UWA... so 1635 F2.8
kitlens?  F2.8.. there goes 24-70
tele,... 70200G...
need flash also lerrr... F58 + F20 to trigger it for WL ^^.

A850 cheapest in market....

20k? sure or not tongue.gif
IMO, I agree that 20k is enough. One A850 + 16-35 f/2.8 + 70-200 f/2.8 + 50 f/1.4 is sufficient to cover all common focal range. Exclude the flash/tripod/etc.

24-70 f/2.8 is in between the range of the two earlier and it's common for people to shoot in both extreme ends. The 50 f/1.4 complement the set nicely, not to mention f/1.4 vs f/2.8 advantage. Of course no one would stop you if you got the mullah to collect more lenses smile.gif
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achew: Agree that 24-70Z f/2.8 is good for event, but up to individual preferences. At times in cramp event venue, may need something wider than 24. It's either 24-70 or 16-35 for a setup accompanied by 70-200. Although I notice that most would prefer 24-70 over 16-35, but mine would be the reverse smile.gif

QUOTE(albnok @ Jan 14 2010, 01:09 AM)
wha7ever: I do think so at times, though if you want a 16-35mm/70-200mm combo you'll probably be looking at 2 bodies.
True. Hence the 24-70Z f/2.8 is not in the setup list, can exchange it for a second body smile.gif

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post Jan 15 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(achew @ Jan 14 2010, 05:55 PM)
p/s: oh ya..suddenly remind me of something ...for those who frequently shoot wedding here...did u sign any form of "contract" with ur customers?stating whats included in ur package..and the rights of the photo belongs to which party...i dunno how it works in msia but in singapore..the moment u accept payment from the couples..be it 1dollar or 10grand..the rights automatically belong to the couples..and u shdnt publish their stuff unless there was an agreement made....i know not much people care about the rights thingy..but just wanted to know how things supposed to go..
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Just to share a little on this as I tag along quite often with a friend of mine who dump his full time job to do photography (mainly wedding). Some notable items to be in the contract.

The few main things are which I can remember now.
1. Package Price (booking fee which is non refundable, in case couple FFK you.)
We all know what is this, but state your booking fee if you practice them.

2. Who is the customer (very important)
Why this is a must? Normally your main customer is the bride, and at times the bride mother (quite rare) will come complaint to her daughter that why the photographer took less photo of her. Then at least you can protect yourself that the bride pay you and that's the legal customer, not the mother.

3. Rights to publish the photos (importance depends on you)
We all know what is this.

4. Couple to do list and wishlist in photograph (very important)
You as a photographer knows what to take, e.g. Wedding Veil, Dress, Ring, Flower, and etc. At times you won't know some additional things which is important to the couple but you might miss it. So you can protect yourself that if an important to the client was not captured in the wedding, and it's not in the customer to do list and wish list, then consider we did our job according to contract.

5. Exclusive rights that you're the main photographer of the event (very important)
You are hired as a main photographer to do the work, and if some of their relative in a way disrupt our work (e.g. block your view and etc). You are safe based on this contract. So with this in the clause, get the couple to assign one people he trust to work with you. If someone disturb your shot, that person must usher them away.

These are the extra things I learn when I attended Jerry Ghionis Wedding seminar.
6. Purchase of photography service must come with wedding album
Can earn extra.

7. Customer will not have full size JPEG images
Makes your photo more valuable.

8. Time of service (from what time to what time), up to individual
Makes your service more valuable, if overtime charge extra.

9. Print of photos must go through Photographer unless Customer bought the rights
Makes your photo more valuable.

Those above are listed out but you might want to elaborate to your customer before they sign the contract.

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post Jan 15 2010, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Jan 15 2010, 12:06 PM)
Number 7 and 9 is somewhat draconian imho. Dealt with candidsyndrome during my wedding and they don't have this clause. Once everything is paid they give me all the full sized photo. Its better that way to me. so i can have my wedding pictures as computer background or whatnot.
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Like said, these are from Jerry Ghionis. Most of the top wedding photographers practice that way. However you can give them JPEG provided you supply them a Wedding Album as part of the paid package. Giving Original JPEG just like that with minimal small fee of wedding photography service, doesn't sound right. Even worst, some photographer gave RAW files.

See how Bridal Studio charge for their service and you'll know.
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QUOTE(SHOfrE3zE @ Jan 15 2010, 03:23 PM)
i'm sure not often that wedding photographers use rule #7
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True.

QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Jan 15 2010, 03:26 PM)
To be fair it is up to the photographers.If he's a 'god-like' kind who turn everything into gold why not right? and its the markets that decides whether they want to choose them based on the conditions.
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QUOTE(achew @ Jan 15 2010, 03:33 PM)
yea..if u have the demand..u can affort to put in any clauses u want..lol..afterall sometimes the more demanding u r..the more ur customers think highly of u...LOL

but those r for business-minded photographer...if u r those intrinsic photographer..u'd probably be happier if the client truely loves ur work..price doesnt really matters as long as it wont starve u...art > money at any time..lol..

both have their own market segment i guess..
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Yup. True enough, it's entirely up to individual. However, they are full timers. For them, yes it's an art but still they need to put food on the table for their family. Client happy, but family not happy... susah la...

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