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Nisan
post Mar 12 2010, 09:15 PM

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Hello...I'm new to this forum...but I read all your V8 posts previously and I get a lot of knowledge about rabbits from this forum. I provide my rabbit with Alfafa Hay, Pro optimum pellet and also Show feed rabbit too. My rabbit is now healthy and good. Not only that I also buy play pen for them, so they can run and exercise. Keep it up and Thank you for all the knowledge=)
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post Mar 13 2010, 10:04 PM

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Awwwww rabbit eat a lot...that is normal...Last time my boyfriend bought 6kg Alfafa hay for my rabbits...just 2 weeks only they finished all 6kg of Alfafa hay...Is good for them to eat Hay a lot. How old is your rabbit? Rabbit that is below 6 months is better to eat Alfafa hay and you can refer about rabbit's diet, on the first page of this forum. You can find other informations about rabbits on this first page. Just check out=)

Rabbit's digestive system is very sensitive, so is not good for your rabbit to eat cats food all. Rabbit cannot properly digest food that is high in protein.

You can check about rabbit's diet on the first page of this forum. Pellets also is very important for rabbits but just feed them little and provide them unlimited hay . I usually feed pellets for my rabbits at night only because, at night they are active..so they can easily digest their food=)


Added on March 13, 2010, 10:08 pmYou can check out this website for additional informations=)

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=18+1803&aid=1638

Google will help you to find more informations about rabbits=) Just do research friend=) Good Luck friend=)



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Nisan
post Mar 14 2010, 02:31 PM

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yeap yeap...Rabbits need pellets too=)....I sometime give them Hagen but now I give them Hagen, Pro optimum pellets and also show feed rabbits. everyday give different pellets. You can buy pellets from chubbypetsgarden or u can buy Hagen pellets from any pet store=)
Commercial pellets from pet shop is not that good, usually they sell commercial pellets for RM1 or RM5 per packet.
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post Mar 14 2010, 11:16 PM

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Huhuhuhuhuhu yeah what you say is correct also. I buy pro optimum just to give extra vitamins and minerals for them because Hagen don't have Yuca bacteria which is good for rabbit's digestive system, thats why my bf buy pro optimum for my rabbit. After this I will stick to one pellets only. Thanks for the info Sangterap biggrin.gif

Yeah Pro optimum and show feed rabbit is good brand. They have a lot of good vitamins and minerals which is good for rabbits. I try to give both, my rabbit like it so much thumbup.gif

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post Mar 15 2010, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Juztiny @ Mar 15 2010, 10:31 PM)
Already died 6 rabbits so far.. cry.gif    But still have not given up yet. 

Expensive experience  sweat.gif  , but hopefully I am getting wiser now.  So far, I have successfully rescued 4 rabbits from critical moment to safety.  Initially plan for holiday this week, but have cancel my plan since most of my rabbits are still young and not in stable condition.  What a big sacrifice I made for my rabbits.
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Awwwwww that so sweet of you wub.gif ..your rabbits are lucky to get u as owner biggrin.gif

Well I need help from you all, My rabbit's hay is going to finish ready and I'm waiting for my hay that order from chubbypetsgarden. Is my mistake because I didn't order the hay earlier. Is it ok if I give them only Pro optimum pellets till I get the new hay? I think around this week I will get the hay smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2010, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(sangterap @ Mar 15 2010, 11:37 PM)
sweet? I don't think so. lucky? I really don't think so. 6 died so far isn't a good indication at all.

Really need to rethink about breeder, age of rabbits, basic care skills and re-evaluate the number of rabbits kept.

Sorry to be blunt but reading about dying rabbit is not fun at all...
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awwww I'm so sorry, what I meant just now is, she sacrifice her work for the rabbits. 6 died is not fun at all.

What u said is true sangterap,before we buy any pets we need to do research about that pets...every single things we need to know because animals also are living things like us....When first time I bought my rabbit, I don't have any knowledge about rabbits....but some how I get some Inspiration from nicoty_yne sis....than after do research, I get a lot of informations...This forum really help me too thumbup.gif


Added on March 16, 2010, 12:32 am
QUOTE(Eli @ Mar 15 2010, 11:05 PM)
Yikes
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If I'm not mistaken and correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that you are having problems with the young rabbits. You might want to reconsider the breeders that you're buying from.


Added on March 15, 2010, 11:29 pm
Do u live in klang valley? If you do, I believe pet lovers centre sells chubbypets hay. That's where I buy mine when I'm too lazy to wait for the delivery.
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Huhuhuhu nope, I'm from Penang. Sometime I buy the hay from Chew Thean Yeang pet shop but the quality of the hay is not that good bcoz inside their packing got bugs( I don't is it bugs or what but it is in brown color ). I prefer to give hay from chubbypetsgarden but is my mistake order very late.

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post Mar 16 2010, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(yueyi5730 @ Mar 16 2010, 12:52 AM)
yer...better dun give such hay..last time i buy *engy from a pet shop also like tat..then i threw everything..T.T
after that i buy other brands..rabbit tak mau makan..then bought chubbypets's hay..so big difference leh..open the hay packging the smell so nice.. biggrin.gif "lol:
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Yeah...I think I also buy that brand...Thats why I'm waiting for the delivery....But is it ok to give pellets only for few days? Got some hay too but it is going to finish soon. Too much of pellets is not good also....huhuhuh

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post Mar 16 2010, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(yueyi5730 @ Mar 16 2010, 09:45 AM)
pellets limit to 1/4 to 1/3 cups a day...
what hay do u have now?alfafa? how old is your rabbit?
6 months above must limit alfafa hay already..give as treats only

well i suggest u feed greens like sawi,bok choi,bit of carrots and bit of fruits(treats) instead of giving more pellets...good to have some fresh greens to u know
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My rabbits is 5 months old....I give them Alfafa hay but now I order 3kg Alfafa Hay and 1kg timothy hay because I want to exchange to timothy Hay slowly..So they can easily adapt to the changes....I always provide them Hay and little pellets everyday but too scared to give them vegetables....I know vegetables can give as treat but I'm still scared to give them. Some more they just 5 months. Some articles that I read from internet said, after 3months can give vege to rabbits and some said, after 1 year...I'm just confused and thats why I didn't give them vegetables till now..huhuhu

Nisan
post Mar 17 2010, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(silenkill @ Mar 17 2010, 09:56 PM)
i've never notice i've posted 3 time's...i don't c any of my post but these....... wink.gif

i forgot wat's tht calls...u can found in all pet shop while they are displaying they're animals which is filter/separate de dunk and stuff onto the floor instead of on top de floor....

it jus an comparing a big animal n a small animal......duh~~~ i have all type's of material for the rabbit but it still doin the same thing....

my hay is chop it can't fit into de DIY stuff.....
this is not helping here~~~~hello?
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U give chop hay for your rabbit?
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post Mar 17 2010, 10:45 PM

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'Chopped Hay' not that good friend....I found this in Tru-Luv Rabbitary blog[COLOR=red]..

"The reason why we feed hay in their normal “long” form is to help motility or should I say gut movement. You see, when a strand of hay goes through the rabbit’s mouth, it is not “chopped” but the chewing causes it to soften and thus most of the time, they are ingested with a bit of length. Just imagine having a long leaf going through the intestines in the peristalsis process. The leaf will “flow” through like a little worm and that motion keeps the rabbit’s stomach moving and moving. That is exactly what we want."
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:05 PM

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OMG!!!..poor rabbit....should burn her like that also....Grrrhhhhhhhhhhh
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post Mar 18 2010, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(yueyi5730 @ Mar 17 2010, 11:52 PM)
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chilling and relaxing..other ppl flood away..long time never see hector already la Eli
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Very cute rabbit=) ...well me too want to share my rabbit pictures, where can I upload the picture?

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post Mar 18 2010, 02:42 AM

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Thank you....soon will post my Rabbit's picture smile.gif

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post Mar 18 2010, 05:09 PM

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post Mar 18 2010, 06:31 PM

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awwwwwwwww yeah....I will try to upload more proper pictures..soon will copy paste the URL.....

yeah my white bunny look like hector.....hahahah yeah look like twins...thanks for the compliment for the bunny...hahahah
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post Mar 18 2010, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Polaris13 @ Mar 18 2010, 09:57 PM)
Sorry for the long delayed reply. Have been really really busy lately. Anyway yuen, I’ve nothing against big sized rabbit lol. I once treated a giant chinchilla and a Giant Flemish and I think they are the most adorable rabbit. But of course, nothing can beat my favourite which is the Mini Rex Rabbits. Super cute  rclxm9.gif

Anyway, to answer your question, I have to briefly describe the digestive system of the rabbit. Many people are still unsure of what to feed their rabbits and the type of food items.  This can be a little technical but feel free to ask any questions if you don’t understand. Anyway, the rabbit is a hind gut fermentor.  A lot of their diet consists of indigestible fiber like cellulose, hemicelluloses and lignin. When they consume these fibers, the fibers remained mainly unchanged until it reaches the cecum (appendix in humans) where in the cecum lies a population of microorganism (both bad and good microorganism) in perfect balance. These fibers will be digested by these microorganisms and is converted to a form that can be digested by the rabbit. These partially digested fibers (known as cecotrophs or night stool) is then pushed back into the large intestine and eventually ends up at the rectum where the rabbit will then bend over and reconsume the cecotrophs. This process usually occurs at night and the cecotrophs is usually wet and moist and has a strong smell to it. Some people do mistaken the cecotrophs as diarrhea. The cecotrophs will then be digested in the stomach and small intestine and is then defecated as the hard fecal pellets that you find in the morning. This process occurs 24 hours a day and it never stops. The constant movement of food material in the intestine and the production of cecotrophs actually help to maintain the population of bad and good bacteria in the cecum and prevent either population from being overloaded.  Non digestible fibers actually help with this motility of the intestines and the major source of this is actually from hay. You may argue that many of the timothy hay pellets consist mostly of fiber too. But it is actually the long stem fibers in the hay that help assist with the gut motility. The short stem fibers in the timothy hay pellets to some extend do help with the gut motility but not as effective as long stem fibers. Long stem fibers also help with preventing dental malocclusions and diseases. But that is another discussion for another day.

The major problem with the digestive system of a rabbit is gut stasis (also known as gastric shutdown, ileus, colic). It is a condition where the digestive tract stops moving and there is a build up of gasses in the intestines. It usually starts when the owner begins to feed the rabbit with all kinds of junk food and crap and not enough hay. This is because when you feed too much high carbohydrate food items (pellets especially, high sugar fruits, yogurt treat etc etc), these items will be fermented quickly in the cecum. This actually provides extra calorie to the bad bacteria and you will soon see an overpopulation of bad bacteria. These bad bacteria will start producing toxins and the toxins will travel to the bloodstream and cause a condition known as endotoxemia which can be fatal to the rabbit.
Another situation is when the rabbit is administered with the wrong kind of antibiotics (notably the penicillin and cephalosporin group) which kills most of the good bacteria in the gut. So make sure when your vet prescribes an antibiotic to your rabbit, ensure that he has given that drug to a rabbit before or know that it’s not contraindicated. Other situations that can cause gut stasis are pain (usually related to dental disease). Rabbits are pretty wimpy. They stop eating if they feel pain, stress (car rides, addition of other pets or children in the family, loud noises) can also cause them to stop eating and experience gut stasis.

So its important that you all recognize the signs of gut stasis. Usually the animal becomes more reclusive, refuses to eat, may have increase drinking, tenderness and discomfort in the abdomen (esp when picked up) and most importantly NO FECAL PELLET PRODUCTION. So remember that gut stasis is fatal to the rabbit and you should rush to the vet as soon as you can. The key point to managing gut stasis is actually pretty simple.

1. Rehydration
2. Pain control
3. Assist feeding
4. Gut modifying drug (optional)

It is actually recommended that you keep a bag of Oxbow Critical Care Diet around the house (I have no idea who sells this in Malaysia but I’ve seen it here before). Using a catheter tip syringe (you can purchase this from your local pharmacy), you can actually assist feed your rabbit and help to jump start the intestines.

So in a nutshell, to those still confused what to feed your rabbit, use this ratio as a guideline; 60-70% hay, 20-30% vegetables and some fruits, 10% pellets. So since the pellets consist of such as small portion of the diet, it is not that crucial what brand to use actually. And many of these manufacturers uses gimmicks like added vitamins and minerals and probiotics and stuff like that .But what you need to know is how much of these are added to these food items. And many of these vitamins and probiotics do get oxidized if not stored properly, so this is a factor to be considered. And feeding too much pellets can cause your rabbit to be obese (unless your rearing it for meat), and obese rabbits tend to have more foot problems (pododermatitis) cause of bearing too much weight on their tiny little legs. And many times they produce too much cecotrophs and because they’re too fat, they can’t bend over very well to lick their rectum (didn’t sound quite right lol). And as a result you see a lot of fecal staining around their bottoms.

Whew! I’m sorry for the long post but I just hope that every rabbit owner reading this will be well educated so that they can keep a healthy and long living rabbit.
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Wow!!! great research. Thanks to write so long and give us informations notworthy.gif ....unlimited hay is very important for the rabbits and to maintain good digestive system. smile.gif


Added on March 18, 2010, 10:30 pmWant to share some pictures of my Rabbits. Both are male but when first time I bought this rabbits, the pet shop guy said...both rabbits are female..hahah I only realized after see something something under them whistling.gif ....I really don't how this pet shop ppl can judge which is female and male..huh doh.gif....the dark brown is Marsi and White color is LuLu..well now i cant change their name..too late ready to change to a male rabbit's name.
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Nisan
post Mar 26 2010, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(bebee @ Mar 26 2010, 11:48 AM)
the brown white reminds me of my beloved LaLa
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awwwwwwww huhuhuhuh......


Can anyone help me please....I have two rabbits..both also male...my brown color rabbit like to hump my white rabbit rclxub.gif ..I really don't what to do...but I cannot separate both of them bcoz they are very close and like to spend their time together.....they don't hurt each other also..but any side effect or diseases that they can get because of this? icon_question.gif
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Hello friend I need some help. how you all groom ur rabbit? I mean how you all clean ur rabbits hair? must we use any special cleaner for their fur? I always use powder corn starch to clean their fur and how to clean their genital part? I have another problem too, my white rabbit got a lot of pee stain , even on their head also have sad.gif how to remove the stain from their fur?
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post Jun 13 2010, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(yueyi5730 @ Jun 12 2010, 11:01 PM)
keep the hair at the genital part short...trim often...is your white rabbit a male?probably spraying pee until on it's head..mine mostly on the butt area but i trim often to keep it clean..
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Thanks so much for the info..yeah my white rabbit is male...can i know how you trim ur rabbit...what are the tools that you use to trim them?
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post Sep 14 2010, 12:02 AM

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Hello friends I need ur help...my hay and pellets finish ready...I will get my Hay and pellets tomorrow only via post laju...So now I dun have much hay or pellets to give to my rabbits...Can I give to them papaya till I get my thngs tomorrow? They are ok with papaya...izzit ok if I give papaya instead of hay and pellets..I will get my things tomorrow. Please need ur help frenz.

Thank You=))

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