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post Dec 22 2009, 02:46 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hello everyone. I'm new here but I've been into rearing and breeding mantids since a young boy. I'm wondering if there are any other mantis lovers here. Malaysia is abundant with exotic species of mantids and the species there rank as my favourites.

I'm currently keeping these mantids:
Stenotoxodera porioni, Toxodera beieri, Hymenopus coronatus, Theopropus elegans, Deroplatys desiccata, Deroplatys lobata, Phyllocrania paradoxa, Hierodula cf. tenuis, Tenodera sinensis, Acromantis sp., Statilia sp.

I've previously kept:
Toxodera fimbriata, Pseudocreobotra Wahlbergii, Odontomantis planiceps, Blepharopsis mendica, Ceratomantis saussurii, Tropidomantis tenera, Euchomenella sp.

Currently attempting to breed:
Hymenopus coronatus, Theopropus elegans, Deroplatys desiccata, Deroplatys lobata, Phyllocrania paradoxa, Hierodula cf. tenuis.

How many of you here have experience in rearing and breeding mantids?

This post has been edited by mantismania: Dec 22 2009, 02:51 AM
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post Dec 22 2009, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(fongzai92 @ Dec 22 2009, 03:09 AM)
will them hurt peoples ?
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I've never been hurt by a mantis before. They'd probably try and defend themselves if handled aggressively though. They'd rather try and run away from you rather than attack.
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post Dec 22 2009, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 22 2009, 10:49 AM)
Wow, such a large collection u have there
Are they all local mantids? O_O
There's a forumer here name issac that keep mantid biggrin.gif
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Many thanks. The mantids I'm currently keeping are native to Malaysia with the exception of P. paradoxa and T. sinensis (acquired from US).

QUOTE(rafiqos @ Dec 22 2009, 12:27 PM)
Nice. Here's an old pic of a D. dessicata I used to keep.

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I've had the chance of keeping D. lobata, Hierodula sp. and H.coronatus before too. Coronatus spurred a craze and sleepless nights for some time. Almost went on to buying P.wahlbergii and I.diabolica but ended up quitting mantises totally. The way they kill interests me, but that's as far as it goes. Lol. Question, what kind of feeders do you keep for your bugs? How much work is it? Haha.
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That's a beautiful D. desiccata male bro. Even though there are many exotic mantids from all over the world, I think Malaysian species are the most fantastic. Most famous examples would be the H. coronatus and all Deroplatys species. I've had a fascination for them since a small boy. I used to keep jumping spiders when young, one day my dad brought home a tank filled with leaves and twigs and he told me to put one of my spiders inside. I did that and one of the twigs caught and ate my spider. Found out later that it was a Euchomenella sp mantis. Immediately I fell in love with mantids. Although I never ever feed my mantids spiders after that because I love spiders.

For feeders, I'm culturing fruitflies (D. melanogaster & D. hydei), have a big tupperware full of crickets, mealworms and going to start culturing Blue Bottles, Houseflies and B. lateralis soon. The mantids are not really high maintenance. I just feed them once a day or every two days. For nymphs I just give them fruitflies and for the adults crickets, mealworms and wild-caught butterflies when I have the time.

Here's a photo of my setup:
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post Dec 22 2009, 04:35 PM

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Thanks for the interest all. I've mated my H. coronatus, T. elegans and D. lobata. T. elegans have already laid several oothecae, just waiting for the rest to lay and the nymphs to hatch out into 2nd generation.

Anything just PM. Thanks!
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post Dec 23 2009, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(s98432512 @ Dec 22 2009, 08:34 PM)
hi hi ...
good to see you here smile.gif

looks like the thread is slowly picking up smile.gif  good sign smile.gif

i missing the T.elegans  lol can't wait for the babies to hatch ..

btw .. do post a few pics of the lovely "strange" mantis you have .

to be frank ... that is the most exotic sp i ever seen ... so far ..smile.gif

lol ....


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Hey Bro! Nice to see you. Hope that you have a good hatch rate from the ooth. I'll post some pics up soon.

But here's a photo of the Toxodera beieri nymph:
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post Dec 23 2009, 11:33 AM

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Glad to see quite a couple of mantis lovers here! That's a nice photo of a very pink Hymenopus coronatus ReBeLLioN! Orchid mantids are very very beautiful and I never get tired of looking at them! Although they're not that difficult to rear, breeding them can be a bit difficult.

Here's a photo of my H. coronatus adults. Male is on the female's back.
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H. coronatus connection!
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My Theopropus elegans copulating.
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Deroplatys lobata.
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Connection!
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post Dec 23 2009, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Dec 23 2009, 11:51 AM)
Nice job bro. Have you had by any chance get your hands on any ant mantis? PM me if you have any extra. And I'll also like to know if you have a spare starter colony for D.melanogaster.

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PM sent!

QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 23 2009, 12:02 PM)
Speaking bout ant mantids, there are a few times where i encounter small and black color mantids in my friend house and college lecture hall
Wonder what sp it is....
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Sounds like Odontomantis planiceps (ant mantis). They're literally everywhere because they're aggressive and very hardy. Here's a Taiwanese link for some ant mantis photos. Scroll down to see the nymphs, do they look like the ones you saw?
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post Dec 23 2009, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 23 2009, 12:40 PM)
Im not sure because they are really small and the lighting is very poor in the lecture room cause all the lights was off and only dim sun light and LCD projecter screen provide some lights but those mantids i saw do looks like ants at 1st glance
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If they are indeed ant mantis, catch a few and culture them bro. They're very easy to rear and breed. No issues at all. And the mated females will lay a lot of oothecae in her lifetime.
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post Dec 23 2009, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 23 2009, 12:53 PM)
Will do when i spotted them again in my friend house
They are pretty common during a period of time
(Think it's the breeding season for them)
Now can hardly see one
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Awesome bro. If you go to some heavy shrubs or bushes or any low plant during this rainy season, you will definitely find some. If you spot one nymph, there will be many more for sure. Good thing about this mantis is that they will usually sit on top of leaves and not underneath. Good times to see them on top of leaves is around 4-7 pm.

QUOTE(AshJ @ Dec 23 2009, 12:54 PM)
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Is this the ant mantis?
what is the adult size...look cute to me..
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Yeah, that should be Odontomantis planiceps. They're just awesome. Adult females will only grow to up to about 2-2.5 cm. Here's an awesome video to show you how aggressive they are even though they're small.


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post Dec 23 2009, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(AshJ @ Dec 23 2009, 04:38 PM)
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Got this pix from creepy craelies

Bro, it is always said that female mantis will either eat or cannibalised its mate after mating... how urs
and the mating are hours ..is it
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That's a threat display photo of Theopropus elegans. About the female eating the male, it's not entirely true. It's species-dependant. I'll normally remove my males after they disconnect though. Some of them will run away themselves. They never face the female head-on.
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post Dec 24 2009, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(thenightcrusader @ Dec 24 2009, 01:07 AM)
Finally a hobby out of the ordinary. congratz mantismania for starting it. i think it's going to be a very eye-opening thread to bug lovers out there.
I must admit i'm also curious bout the female eating the male after mating event. before yr reply, i thought all the mantis act like that and never knew it was species dependant.  smile.gif  thanks a lot for the info ^^
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Thanks for the encouragement bro! We're all nature lovers here and the mantis is easily one of the most unique insect nature has to offer. I'm just here to share my experiences with these amazing bugs. Anything I can do to help, just ask! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 28 2009, 11:55 PM

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Thanks for the replies all. I just got back from a hunting trip and I have a lot of spare T.elegans nymphs and female adults I need to let go. PM me if interested.

Once I have some free time, I'll post some photos of the enclosures. All our enclosures are actually simple, no fuss.
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post Dec 29 2009, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 29 2009, 12:58 AM)
Dun over harvest man tongue.gif
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Don't worry about that. Nature takes care of its own haha. I'm just sharing its beauty.

QUOTE(Fantasia @ Dec 29 2009, 01:10 AM)
i wonder does the female ate the male after mate?? coz this normally happen in the nature...
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This doesn't happen all the time. The female will eat the male or anything else it can overcome if it's too hungry. Which is why it's normal practice for breeders to overfeed the female before attempting to mate them just so she will ignore the male.
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post Dec 29 2009, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(AshJ @ Dec 29 2009, 09:13 AM)
U still here....LOL...thot gone d.. rclxms.gif

wanna know how feeding (hand feed or leave the food in) like for this guy as just got D.Lobata for 3 days d and not eaten since then. rclxub.gif
is it the sign it going into molting process or what ... as at today still hanging as usual

BTW how much selling... maybe u should also come out with the caresheet based on ur experience.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hey yeah I'm still here lol. What instar is your D. lobata? What are you feeding it? If the size of its prey is not that big, then it's probably nearing a molt.

I haven't come up with any caresheets yet but anyone needing assistance can just PM me.
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post Dec 29 2009, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(AshJ @ Dec 29 2009, 11:33 PM)
Informed it is at its 3rd...mealworm, superworm (mid size), grasshoppers
have u tried cricket for ur mantis..is it really that cricket can kill ....
ermmm due to bacteria or sumthin.....

Whats insect the best for it?
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I feed crickets to almost all my mantids all of the time. There's an opinion going around about crickets causing mantids to become sick and eventually die. Many people have found this to be untrue. Just to be safe, never feed your mantids crickets just purchased from the shop. Always gut-load them first. I gut-load and take care of my crickets and make sure they're healthy before I feed them to my mantids. You can gut-load the crickets with bok choy, cat food, dog food, etc. If the enclosure your crickets are kept in is not well-kept, chances are you'll have unhealthy and stressed crickets.

Try putting in a cricket that's just a couple sizes smaller than your D. lobata and watch it become 'alive'. Mantids become extremely active and aggressive when faced with a insects that they're specialized to prey on. D. lobata can usually be found in shrubs, bushes and even on the forest floor. In the wild, they'd most probably prey on a lot of forest floor-dwelling insects such as crickets. Give it a try but make sure you gut-load the cricket first. It's good practice to always gut-load your feeder insects to maintain their health.
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post Dec 30 2009, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(yltanisaac @ Dec 30 2009, 11:11 AM)
hi all, I been so busy with stuff that i totally miss this place.

Congrats to mantismania for the new thread. FINALLY someone who is very passionate about these wonderful creatures. Nice to meet you.

Some reposting on MTS forum

My current Favourite

Malaysian Dead Leaf Mantis
Deroplatys lobata
Pride of Mantis keepers in Malaysia (aside from the orchid mantis)
Envy of the world.

Hard to spot out in the rainforest,  Malaysian Dead Leaf Mantids hold true to their name.
The entire body looks like a zombie leaf walking.
But hid under the shady brown colour lies a wonderful blend of purple, black, amber and red. That's when your mantis gets ready to fly off. Though they seldom do.

They are ambushers, not hunters and can wait patiently for their prey for days, provided they are give water everyday.
While they are quite docile and non-venomous but they do scratch you if you keep pestering them. Their threat display rivals that of a tarantula

With their hood-like appearance, they look like fallen Jedi ready to use their lightsabers, but evil they are not. That title goes to another mantis.

Range Malaysian rainforests.
Type Arboreal.
Full Grown Size Females get up to 5.5 inches. .
Temperament Docile and calm. Loves to climb and cling onto your arm.
Speed Slow
Additional comments: LIKES observing. HIGHLY curious. If you are not looking, don't worry. It's looking at you.

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Good description. Did the female die a few days or weeks after you took the photo? She looks stressed with the wings like that.

Anyway, we recently mated our Deroplatys truncata. Here are some photos:
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post Dec 31 2009, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 31 2009, 12:24 AM)
Lets say 1.2.3
The 1st number indicate male, 2nd indicate female and 3rd is unsex or sling/baby

Anw mantismania (Any other name that we can use to refer u?)
Which pic u referring? Would like to learn how to see if they are stress or not biggrin.gif
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Look at the photos with her wings half opened. They'd usually do that if they're stressed/too hot.
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post Dec 31 2009, 04:43 AM

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QUOTE(yltanisaac @ Dec 31 2009, 04:32 AM)
ah... she was like that when she arrived from the post. I suppose the ligaments was damaged. I had two females
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Where did you get them from? It helps to know the stock they came from.
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post Jan 2 2010, 03:37 AM

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QUOTE(Harry93 @ Dec 31 2009, 08:31 PM)
Hmmm~ just wonder here, does any Mantis that is Terrestrial and quite big 1? @@ and whats is the basic care for them? Can any1 teach me? i quite interest on Mantis. haha
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Hey Harry, there are still many undiscovered species out there but right now what I can think of is Deroplatys sp.. They're both arboreal and terrestrial and they're quite big. Keeping mantids is easy. Basic care is just feed them, mist them once in a while and if they're nymphs, give them space to molt.
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(AshJ @ Jan 10 2010, 11:10 PM)
Hi Guys

What r the three difference between this D.desiccata, D. lobata & D.truncata as all of them r the dead leaf mantis rite?
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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Jan 11 2010, 12:32 AM)
I assume they are all the same genus but different species?
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Yeah Ryo is correct. There's another one in culture in Europe, it's the Deroplatys trigonodera. This comes from Malaysia too. Malaysia is mantis heaven I tell ya!

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