and what, pray tell, will you call the passing of one moment to the next?
Science travel in the speed of light, make you younger? true?
Science travel in the speed of light, make you younger? true?
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Dec 21 2009, 11:24 AM
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and what, pray tell, will you call the passing of one moment to the next?
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Dec 21 2009, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(100n @ Dec 21 2009, 05:27 PM) Strange. [X] wrong knowledgeWhy do you compare speed of life with age? "lets say u have a twin brother, and he stayed behind on earth while u go traveling near the speed of light. when u return lets say 10 years later earth time, he would've aged 10 years (obviously), but u would have aged perhaps only 5 years (depending on how close u were to the speed of light)." i dont understand this statement. Let say If i travel the speed of light. It only take me to certain place(A) much faster that the light. But the time I travel to A will determine my age, not the speed of light. For example: If i travel to sun in 1 minute. Earth can only see after 3-4 minutes. By that time, I'm already back to Earth. What earth saw was my past (2 minute ago) but present I'm still 3minute older (when earth see me). Am I right or wrong? 1. theory of relativity state that the closer you are to speed of light, the slower your "time" is relatively. IE. if you travel for 10 minutes at speed close to c, then stop, 10 minutes of your time has passed. however, 10 years may have passed for someone at a slower speed. 2. your example makes you to be traveling at speed higher than c, (you round trip earth-sun in 2 minute, when light takes 4 minutes - actually around 8 would be closer) which is at current theory, impossible. |
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Dec 21 2009, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(100n @ Dec 21 2009, 06:04 PM) I still dont understant this statement: no, you cannot travel faster than light. so if you do want to go to someplace 100 light years away, it will never be faster than 100 years to you. and to the observer at earth, a far longer time has passed.1. theory of relativity state that the closer you are to speed of light, the slower your "time" is relatively. IE. if you travel for 10 minutes at speed close to c, then stop, 10 minutes of your time has passed. however, 10 years may have passed for someone at a slower speed. You mean like this example? If you got in a rocket ship and accelerated you could go what seems infinitely fast to you. You could travel to a star 100 light years away and get they by lunch, turn around, and get back to Earth the same day. But you will find that everyone else is 200 years (and one day) older than you are. From their perspective, you were traveling very close to the speed of light and it take 200 years for light to get to that star and back. But to you, it was only a day. Your aging slowed down because you move forward through time faster. What you observe as linear acceleration in space that obeys Newton's laws, isn't what really happens. You start out accelerating in space but as you gain speed you start accelerating through time instead. You can only move at the speed of light in space, but can move infinitely fast through time. your aging does not slow down. you'll still age 100 years. but your 100 years is a lot longer than the observer's 100 years. what mesomagnet says. |
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Dec 21 2009, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 21 2009, 07:43 PM) Remember the phrase "Never say never". [X] wrong conceptWho sez you can never travel at the speed of light or even faster than that? There are still many scientific unknowns in this universe that will (hopefully) be uncovered in the future. True that at the moment you can't travel at the speed of light because based on CURRENT scientific knowledge, you'll be squashed at the back of your nice spaceship wall if you go "lightspeed" in an instant. However, that's based on CURRENT scientific knowledge. What if somebody uncovered a way to warp space, fold space, enter subspace, enter wormhole, abolish inertia or what not, where mass would not be a factor? Never say never. The world was once believed to be squared (where if you travel far enough, you'll drop off the face of the earth!) but finally realized to be rounded. The world was once the centre of the galaxy where everything revolves around it until somebody proved otherwise. Humans never thought they could fly until the Wright brothers did it. Newton & Einstein (to name a few) discovered many remarkable things that humans thought not possible. The sky is the limit. Just that to travel at the speed of light won't probably be in my in lifetime.... Note : Yeah, I see too much movies, read too much sci-fi books and play too many games...... 1. "squashing" is due to acceleration, not velocity 2. warping/ folding/ hyper-space/ wormhole/ whatever sci-fi tech does not break lightspeed barrier even though it may allow you to go 100 light year away in 1 day. its a different concept. 3. and you are looking at this in a different context. the discussion is based on current scientific laws and theories; and current theory puts a boundary at light speed and have some explanation of what happens then. if you want to bring sci-fi and "never know the future" into this, this is probably not the correct forum for you. This post has been edited by lin00b: Dec 21 2009, 08:36 PM |
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Dec 21 2009, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 21 2009, 09:12 PM) [?] ?? 1. discussion is on what happens when you travel at/near light speed. not accelerating to light speed.1. Going from zero to lightspeed is not acceleration? Then what is it called? Velocity? 2. Lightspeed just mean 300k km/s. Does it mean that you can only call it lightspeed if you use conventional rockets and not some other way? If somebody can travel more than 300k km/s using some other method, it is not breaking the lightspeed barrier? Or is lightspeed barrier just solely reserved for the theory of relativity? 3) Yes, current scientific laws and theories puts a boundary at light speed. I guess it also includes current rocket technology and not "never know the future" propulsion technology. If that is the case, why discuss about the speed of light when a rocket can only go a fraction of the speed of light? If you want to say "IF you can travel at near the speed of light", that is about the future, no? Based on current technology, it is an impossible "if". What I'm saying is, there are probably some unknown theories in the future that either improve or disprove this theory, enabling a work around to the lightspeed barrier. Better get back to my sci-fi games....... [exit forum] 2. yes, traveling at a rate of 300km/s; all the other sci-fi stuff deals with creating a shorter pathway to get from point A to point B. but whether you travel at traditional path, or at shortcut you still cant exceed 300km/s. ie. you travel at trunk road from perlis to jb vs you travel by PLUS. you may reach faster by PLUS, but your car maximum velocity stay the same. 3. rocket is current implementation limitation, current theoretical limitation is light speed, and we are discussing what happens at/near that speed. FTL is currently theoretically impossible, therefore not in discussion. future theory may/may not be FTL, but in the context of this discussion, it is irrelevant. |
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in reality, the human mind cannot really comprehend numbers that are larger than ~100. so yeah, the billions of stars i nthe billions of galaxies is really incomprehensible to the typical human mind. along with millions and billions of years
when those numbers are thrown around, the general idea is "a lot" |
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internally everythign is normal. its the interaction between internal and external thats messed up.
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QUOTE(kenboon90 @ Mar 22 2010, 04:59 PM) We'll turn into spaghetti when we travel with speed of light what nonsense is this? given a low enough constant acceleration and a long enough time, there is no reason why our body will get distorted at a constant velocity.Its bcause if we r able to move with speed of light thats c=299 792 458 m/s , we cant make every cell in our body to move with that speed constantly,some cell may b moving with the speed of 299 792 458m/s,some with 299 792 390m/s ,or some with 299 792 592 m/s . These 3 speeds hv a small difference.And this small differences can cause ur body to tear into parts and some into mee-liked meat and some like loushufen-liked meat. Think properly,and u'll find it true And so,human cant move with speed of light bcoz we'll be dead even b4 we reach that speed due to the theory i stated there ,G-forces and other reasons. and isnt your last number higher than your c? |
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