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Science travel in the speed of light, make you younger? true?

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azarimy
post Dec 21 2009, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(thken @ Dec 18 2009, 04:56 PM)
i have another theory idea
everybody move in the speed of light

there is no such things as if a transport that can make us travel as fast or faster than light, then we will moving back in time
like the twin paradox which proposed by Einstein

my idea:
we see everything moving in the speed of light
when a car move faster than us, the the car is moving in a different velocity, but still travel in the speed of light. agree?
if we ever created a rocket that can move faster than light, then we see the rocket moving in the speed of light, but in the passenger in the rocket also see us moving in the speed of light.

just my idea........any1 can convince my idea is wrong?
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the problem is simple: it's all relative.

rule: the closer u move to the speed of light, the slower time passes for u.

u wont notice time moving faster or slower until u compare it with something that moves slower than u. lets say u have a twin brother, and he stayed behind on earth while u go traveling near the speed of light. when u return lets say 10 years later earth time, he would've aged 10 years (obviously), but u would have aged perhaps only 5 years (depending on how close u were to the speed of light).

but if everybody is moving at the speed of light, then there's no difference in age. u will still perceive time just as u are right now.
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post Dec 21 2009, 08:24 PM

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mesosmagnet and lin00b have explained my argument.

the issue brought forward by TS spawned off from the theory of the younger twin brother. but actually it's just a confusion. the twin brother does not "get younger" than the other one. he just experiences time much slower.

it doesnt mean if u travel faster than light, u'll reverse aging biggrin.gif.
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post Dec 21 2009, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 21 2009, 01:12 PM)
[?] ??

1. Going from zero to lightspeed is not acceleration? Then what is it called? Velocity?

2. Lightspeed just mean 300k km/s. Does it mean that you can only call it lightspeed if you use conventional rockets and not some other way? If somebody can travel more than 300k km/s using some other method, it is not breaking the lightspeed barrier? Or is lightspeed barrier just solely reserved for the theory of relativity?

3) Yes, current scientific laws and theories puts a boundary at light speed. I did state that fact "CURRENT scientific knowledge". I guess it also includes current rocket technology and not "never know the future" propulsion technology. If that is the case, why discuss about the speed of light when a rocket can only go a fraction of the speed of light? If you want to say "IF you can travel at near the speed of light", that is about the future, no? Based on current technology, it is an impossible "if".

What I'm saying is, there are probably some unknown theories in the future that either improve or disprove this theory, enabling a work around to the lightspeed barrier.

Better get back to my sci-fi games.......

[exit forum]
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2. the time dilation effect (as discussed in this thread) only occurs when u go through conventional means - accelerating from zero to lightspeed or beyond. space fold, jump, teleportation, wormhole etc is faster than light, but it doesnt involve acceleration. hence time dilation wont occur in such situations. it doesnt even break the lightspeed barrier.

but a different time perception does occur. lets say ur departure from earth was celebrated by fireworks. u use a gateway to travel to another point 10 light years away. the journey took 1 day. at ur destination, u look up earth using a telescope, but only sees the earth 10 years ago. for u to see ur own fireworks celebrating ur departure, u gotta wait another 10 years.

this is not time travel.
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post Dec 21 2009, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Dec 21 2009, 02:33 PM)

azarimy:

Not really; to make this clear, we label the twin brothers [1] and [2], [1] being the 'stationary' observer, and [2] being the person on the rocket flying off at some velocity

To [1], time goes by slower for [2]. But here's the important point, if [2] looked at [1], he would also see that time goes by slower for [1]. It's purely symmetrical because they're moving at the same velocity (well, excepting the +/-) relative to each other.
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that's what i said.

my point, relating to TS, is that they dont get younger. meaning age was not reversed. if u depart at 20 years old, u will not get back at 19 years old. moving at or near lightspeed is not the fountain of youth biggrin.gif.
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post Dec 22 2009, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(aimank_88 @ Dec 22 2009, 01:30 AM)
What u guys england2 ah?
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shhhh... orang tua2 nak berborak.

dok tepi.
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QUOTE(Chill4x @ Dec 23 2009, 04:00 PM)
Does this mean that if we travel at the speed of light, we will biologically age much slower? Would we return back the earth (frame of reference) and see our twin as a grandfather while we are still young?
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no. we dont biologically age slower. we experience everything at normal speed.

assume we travel near lightspeed for 1 year. in our experience (the traveller), only 1 year has passed. but due to the time dilation effect, people on earth probably have experienced 20 years. it's probably like watching the earth on fast forward from outside. and for the earthlings, it's probably like watching the travelers in slow motion.

but like we've discussed before, ur biological clock wont be extended. u will still die by the age of 80-90.
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post Dec 25 2009, 12:03 PM

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i've always been interested in looking at how the larger picture (the universe) is often reflected in the micro (sub atomic universe).

an atom consists of a nucleus with orbiting electrons, just like planets orbiting a star.

what if... WHAT IF... our solar system is actually just an atom in a larger universe? that a whole galaxy actually makes up one object like a grain of sand, and that other universes combine with ours to make a sandy beach?

and as it infinitely grows outward, so it does inwards. what if each atom in our body is a solar system, and its electrons are potential habitable planets?

the mind boggles... lol.
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post Dec 27 2009, 01:41 AM

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technically, tachyon particles move faster than light.
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post Dec 27 2009, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Dec 27 2009, 12:10 PM)
This topic is really interesting. I would love to jump in in the discussion but i dare not to. Wrong conceptions might lead to hazardous consequences, as i am not qualified to speak up my mind on this matter. Do continue the discussion, reading this thread is better than watching movies or reading novels I have to say.
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there's a safe way to voice ur opinion.

"put it in a form of a question."

lets say u have a bizarre idea which u dont know whether it is absurd or brilliant. put the statement here and then ask a question. let other clarify or justify it.
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QUOTE(shadowglow @ Jan 14 2010, 01:52 PM)
well here's a concept  of mine, if one could move really fast as the speed of light or as the neurons in our body imagine this, if speed present now is normal e..g a boy drops a pen from his hand but at the same time u went to another planet, stop by there, proceed to a nother galaxy sit and talk with those people in that particular planet in that particular galaxy * assuming the living things/creatres there moves as fast as u do* and come back to earth near the boy. when u c him it looks as if nothing changes. This may look as though stopping time but its we are actually moving very fast but for the boy..its just normal.

Put yourself in a tortoise position.
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actually u got it the other way around.

if u travel at/near lightspeed, it's the person on earth who would have achieved a lot of things than u. meaning, if u drop a pen while traveling at/near lightspeed, the boy on earth could probably watch a movie twice at the cinema by the time the pen reaches the floor.
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post Feb 18 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(azerroes @ Feb 14 2010, 03:29 PM)
travel in the speed of light will overkill you. the velocity of light is 3x10^8 m/s. moving in space will create a fraction and you will become ashes in no time except your body is made of light! nod.gif

for me, time travelling is completely nonsense . no such thing . no one can ever done it . and there are sooo much other phenomena present in the universe still cant be described by human since they are using human mind ( in other word, creation mind , not creators mind )
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WHAT friction?

the problem with the speed of light is energy. we dont have the means to produce unlimited energy to drive mass up to the speed of light. the reason is, the closer we are to the speed of light, the more our mass becomes. meaning the bigger the mass, bigger amount of energy is needed to accelerate further.

at the moment we cant comprehend what would happen to the human body when we multiply our mass by the thousands. heck, we cant even take 10g acceleration without passing out with our current mass, let alone accelerating near the speed of light.


and for your information, time traveling IS possible. we can see time distortions just by going into space. the nearer u are a powerful gravity field (ie: planet earth), the slower time becomes. just google it. u'll see that time on GPS satellites had to be continuously resynchronized with time on the surface of the planet.

 

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