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SGKSY
post Sep 6 2011, 04:03 PM

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Anyone from JB ? would like to sell some of my silver holdings with COD, but hardly find in JB area leh.
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post Sep 6 2011, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(chef @ Sep 6 2011, 04:15 PM)
Hi yo!!

I'm in JB area, so we can trade and meet easily. And I think william is also in JB area, although some how, I never seemed to be able to meet him, he is always in singapore.

So what do you have on hand? PM me, no promises though. give me your list.

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I want to sell my 4 tubes of ASE, but hard to sell at malaysia market price, cos we too close to Singapore. the price is much cheaper in Singapore. haiz.....


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post Sep 6 2011, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Sep 6 2011, 08:55 PM)
i'm quite sure that we could work something out, i'm in melaka and chef is in JB. should be able to meet the price in the middle brows.gif
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I am willing to sell my 4 tubes at the average cost of shipping 100oz to Malaysia from US + 15% tax but without adding the profit margin. let say spot rate now is 42usd, i am willing to sell at RM162 per oz if buy all. but COD in JB only.
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post Sep 7 2011, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Sep 7 2011, 04:09 PM)
99% in this group is Malay. seems that they only trade with Malay? Do we have a chinese silver group?
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post Sep 7 2011, 10:07 PM

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I want to sell 1 tube of ASE at RM3200.

have 50 pcs of 2oz lunar dragon open for sale. I am not sure what is the current market rate. If interested, please PM me your offer price. If too low and no profit to sell it, I reserve the rights to refuse the offer.

COD at JB only. Thank you.
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post Sep 7 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Sep 7 2011, 10:38 PM)
arrggghhhhh!!!! why u JB ppl so lucky!!! vmad.gif
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where got lucky? Silver in Jb is not as popular in KL. I got stock, but nobody shows the interest. hard to sell silver in JB leh! selling ASE at 5% discount to the KL price, also no ppl wants.


Added on September 7, 2011, 10:46 pm
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 7 2011, 10:43 PM)
What year dragon is that?
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2012

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post Sep 7 2011, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 7 2011, 10:49 PM)
Are those perth mint silver coins?

If so, are those in your hands?

Thats pretty fast considering the mint is still sorting out their shipping...........
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ya, perth mint. got it on monday, but now in safety deposit bank in bank.
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post Sep 7 2011, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Sep 7 2011, 10:50 PM)
i mean, lucky as u guys are closer to SG, where silver can be quite cheap. then summore got 50 pcs lunar dragon for sale... hahaha thumbup.gif
anyway, i put link to ur post in the FB group. who knows there might be sumbody interested.... brows.gif
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I got 100 pcs, but guess that the price will be not that high when perth mint resume the production of 2oz. so thinking to let go half now and buy back later. If the offer price not so attractive , i will keep it like ASE to hold for future.


Added on September 7, 2011, 11:03 pm
QUOTE(spikyz @ Sep 7 2011, 10:53 PM)
SGKSY, u are from silverlot shop? could u provide us with ur website if u have any?
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no, i am not. i dont have any website.


Added on September 7, 2011, 11:04 pm
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 7 2011, 11:02 PM)
you ordered from perth mint or dealer?
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dealer

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post Sep 7 2011, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(arrsoo @ Sep 7 2011, 11:17 PM)
Bro SGKSG,

with spot price so choppy now, it is pretty hard to give you an offer, perhaps, just a suggestion, maybe you can indicate how much % above spot you are willing to sell and that if spot price dropped below certain level, you will withdraw selling since it would be unprofitable, then it would be easier for buyer to decide.  Of course those who can buy bulk will get a slightly better discount lor.  But just dont limit yourself to COD only at JB la.  Poslaju also not really that expensive ma
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let me think about the price tmr.

At current high demand, i dont think the spot rate affect the dragon coins so much. The 1oz one is selling at more than RM 300 per piece at ebay and the price of 2oz is also increasing accordingly. The mint has stopped the pre-order and don't know when it will resume the pre-order. even it resumes, they will focus on 1/2 oz. Perhaps, the mint may resume the pre-order soon but the spot rate will likely to increase in sept onwards, who knows ? As i mentioned in previous post, i no hurry to sell. if nobody offers, i can keep it for long term.



i prefer to use the private courier, like citylink. but heard many loss cases recently. i don't want to take any risk, if buyer requests and willing to take risk , i dont mind to offer postal delivery.
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post Sep 8 2011, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 8 2011, 07:24 AM)
1 oz for Rm300 is just plain crazy.......its a new coin.

Even though the 1 oz silver has limited 300,000 mintage, at this stage for Rm300 is plain crazy.
The 2 oz is unlimited mintage........


Added on September 8, 2011, 8:20 ami managed to place in an order these coins at the Perth mint albeit with much difficulty

a) 1 oz 2012 lunar dragon silver proof coin- mintage 5,000 coins. Yr 2000 selling at $350
b) 3 coin set 2012 lunar dragon silver proof coins - mintage 1,000 sets  Yr 2000 selling at $3000
Fingers x-ed they will allow me to purchase the two items!    smile.gif
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Ya, rm300 is a bit crazy, but it is worth for those want to collect the whole set of series 2. I dont see the reason that will make the price drop unless the spot rate drop the 30usd or 20USD. The potential of going higher is huge.

Ya, 2oz is unlimited, but considered high premium demanded by perth mint (USD18 or 9 per oz), even higher than the chinese silver panda. If chinese silver can be sold at rm 190-195 per oz at current spot rate in Malaysia, i think RM400 for 2oz perth mint lunar dragon is a fair price. If someone selling at 355, i will say he is too desperate to sell it.

the year 2012 1oz proof coins is selling at more than RM300 by the mint. The year 2000 one will only be higher. Last time, not too long ago, the year 2000 1oz (bullion coin) was sold at USD16X at ebay.

hope you are able to get these 2 item. be prepared to pay double or triple of original price. haha.


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post Sep 8 2011, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(yacanni @ Sep 8 2011, 08:56 AM)
2oz 2012 dragon come with box? or juz the air tide
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air title only. the ebay "BIDDING" price now is usd151.5

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2012-LUNAR-II-S...#ht_1727wt_1139

the 1oz one is more crazy , selling at aud479

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2012-10oz-lunar...6#ht_936wt_1139


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post Sep 8 2011, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 8 2011, 09:18 AM)
i guess its the whole china wanting a piece of the dragon and the mint's is fleecing.......
problem we unless you are an aussie or appointed dealer, you cant order them

Right now, NONE of the dealers are selling the 1 oz bullions. i guess they are trying to hog them till later.

As for the proof coins, they were sold out within one and half hours.
i had lots of trouble getting onto the website. it was hanging a few times!
Eventually i was able to conclude the purchase  sweat.gif
So i am paying the mint prices  the 1 oz proof at AUD102 and 3 coin proof set at AUD363
i hope someone will pay me 3 times these prices!

i am just hoping they will not reduce my purchases to ONE.....    sweat.gif
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triple ? you are too conservative. congratulations ! the 1oz is selling at 479aud. your one is proof coin, USD1000 also not problem lah, just to wait.

hope us earn big big.





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post Sep 8 2011, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 8 2011, 10:01 AM)
They have suspended production, The mint underestimated the sellout time of the dragon.
IMO they need the moulds for other coins...........sooooo they may NOT produce anymore.........    nod.gif
Like they stopped production of the 5/10oz rabbit to concerntrate on the 1 kg ones.

i am still waiting for my batch as well..........
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hope they stop the production FOREVER, though it is unlikely, haha.


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post Sep 8 2011, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Sep 8 2011, 11:22 AM)
its more into collection rather an investment. bcoz at the end its still a 1 or 2 oz of silver.

but hey, the economy is still great, and no rush to sell d dragon based on silver price right. so yeah, dragon will be d king for 2012. Just managed to get 2oz. hmmm how to get 1oz? some ppl say not yet release.
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released already, but sold out liao. the ebay price now is around AUD 150-190. The price will be lower when more ppl sell their coin. but in the long run, i believe the price will be much higher.
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post Sep 8 2011, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(chef @ Sep 8 2011, 12:27 PM)
Not only that,

include lilian too type of feng shui people who buy these and stock up for chinese new year, the price will be high till after chinese new year. Aiyoh...

So anyone fancy a guess or make an offer here, how much are you willing to pay for the 2oz dragon, 5oz and 10oz?

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the current spot is 41.6. so if we "could" order it now from PM, the cost will be (41.6*2+18)*3*1.15( tax) + around average rm 5 shipping cost. the cost to order from PM is around RM355

So the reasonable price is 355 plus 10% profit margin = RM 390.

If i just want to buy one or two pcs, rm400 is the max amount i am willing to pay.

for those pre-order earlier before the mint increase the premium and get at the price of rm355, i would say you are very lucky. haha.

but i very greedy lah, just now, got ppl offer to buy all my 2oz for 355, i rejected lah. i counter offer RM500 , I am crazy .haha..............

but i think the price will drop after the mint resume production of 2oz. but the premium of USD18 is not likely to be lowered as it is not fair to those who buy it earlier.
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post Sep 8 2011, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Sep 8 2011, 01:34 PM)
if u not in a hurry, why not wait for resume production. for perth mint, they cna get money from selling lunar dragon 2oz. why should they stop.

plus its unlimited mintage. so whats d rush.

RM500 is very high in my opinion. several websites selling much cheaper than that. even fb group sell cheaper than that. but again, willing seller willing buyer.
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ya lah, no need to rush to buy or sell. I am not coin dealers. Actually, i prefer to keep all my 100 pcs for long term. If i sell at low price, i may not able to buy back at lower price or same price as we don't know when the production will resume and the spot rate at that moment. Q4 is the peak period for silver and gold. If ppl offers me crazy prize, i dont mind to sell.

For those who are not intend to collect a whole lunar series, buy 1/2 oz enough liao lah. I, personally, also think that the premium is too high for both size of dragon coins.

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post Sep 8 2011, 03:11 PM

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got ppl offer to buy a 2oz at rm300 from me and ask for discount... am i looked like charity organization ?
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post Sep 8 2011, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Sep 8 2011, 10:08 PM)
chinese conquering the world... hahaha

china ke arah kuasa besar dunia.. thumbup.gif

P/S: sorry OT, too much of /k today sweat.gif
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i don't think the high price can maintain forever.

The 1oz is sold out in Australia, but we haven't seen the large distributors in US and Europe selling it. Some more, i still see some countries still accepting to pre-order 1oz silver and the estimated shipping date is mid of Nov.

Is it a hype? expect to see the price of 1oz drop to USD60-65 per oz when US and Europe start selling the 1oz coin.

I don't believe all the coins has been sold out. It had been allocated to the disrtibutor. 1oz Rabbit took 6 months to be sold out. 1oz dragon 1 day only ? Is it possible that the large distributor are holding 1oz stock together and want to make ppl rush to buy other sizes, like 1/2 oz, 2oz, 5 oz and etc? That's why we saw that the perth mint has suspended the pre-order of 1/2 oz, 2oz and 5 oz

Above is just my thought, your opinion ?
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post Sep 8 2011, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Sep 8 2011, 10:31 PM)
1oz dragon has a limit of 300k pieces only. It'll be very limited and rare. once it's sold out, it'll carry a good premium to its owner.
but, 1/2oz, 2oz, 5oz, 10oz and 1kg coins will be unlimited until end of 2012. so, by may or june 2012, the price will be quite stable and the premium will be just a lil bit higher from the spot price only.
however, since the demand is now overwhelming the mint capacity, the pre-order is put on hold for a while.
after this, they'll open orders for 1/2oz first, then 2oz and so on...

source:
http://www.perthmintbullion.com/blog/blog/...gon_Orders.aspx
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/f05192f8#/f05192f8/4
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Ya, 1oz is limited. However, it is curious that 80-90% of mintage are allocated to overseas, but so far, we do not sell any large distributor selling 1oz silver. Even want to pre-order also not allowed.

But i saw an online dealer website in Taiwan issued an announcement today saying that the release date and price of 1oz haven't confirmed by European and US distributors. Once it is finalised, they will make announcement. That means, European and US distributors has not really started selling 1oz?

You can search ebay and find that there are only 2 places selling 1oz silver, Germany and Australia. Other places still not available ? Anyone can explain? Even US also hasn't released yet.

There is only possible reason, European and US distributors are holding stock. Anyone agrees with me ?



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post Sep 8 2011, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Sep 8 2011, 11:04 PM)
maybe their 1oz stock hasnt arrive yet? hmm.gif
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Do you think it is possible? Today is the 8th of Sept. They could ship before the release date.


Added on September 8, 2011, 11:24 pm
QUOTE(chef @ Sep 8 2011, 11:09 PM)
I suspect the china dealer are the one holding it, waiting for the chinese new year to release the sales at exorbitant price to their own country people, now the china chinese are filthy rich.

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I also don't think it is possible. Perth Mint allocated the quota based on the sale statistic of past 4 years series 2 coins. They didn't accept the offer of any parties to buy all mintage. China does issue their own dragon coins, they do no need to buy Perth Mint. For most of the chinese in China, they only buy china issued coins , cos only china issued coin will increase more value over time. For example , 2000 ase can be found at ebay for less than $100 dollar. 2000 silver panda costs you USD2k AND MORE.

Silver coins issued by countries other than china, after 20 years , it is just slightly over the spot.
But silver coins issued by china , after 20 years, it might be double , triple of the spot rate. This is the difference.



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