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post Sep 13 2011, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(donkeydoink @ Sep 13 2011, 05:36 PM)
hi guys, lets say today I have a 1 oz silver coin and I am planning to sell it.
How do you derive on the selling price?

assuming the price of 1 oz silver is now USD 40, Exchange rate is RM3

what would be the selling price for the coin?
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you can always set a fixed price for it. just have to wait till silver price is high enough that your coin is selling cheap.
for trader who buy and sell regularly, i suggest having a spread.
the buy price should be lower than the price you can currently buy it from your source.
the sell price should be higher.
for example money changer, when currency rate fluctuates, the spread is bigger.
try to keep your stock for as short time as possible (or as little as possible)
so there's less chance to be affected by price going down too fast.
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post Sep 14 2011, 03:47 PM

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It doesn't matter how high the price is.
What matters is the spread.
If everyone sells back their silver/gold at 15% discount, can the seller pay money?
Yes he can if he can find a buyer willing to buy it.
In order words, after 15% discount the price should be less than what other sellers are willing to buy from him.

buying and selling always tied to one another unless you buy to keep.


Added on September 14, 2011, 3:50 pm
QUOTE(spikyz @ Sep 14 2011, 01:55 PM)
Fgjam all that, wanna help all d gold dealers lo. price is quite expensive. and when i go to habib..it seems can negotiate with the manager. if u lucky can get cheaper price. unfortunately..i realized it still expensive compare to UOB prices
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Fair enough, they got to maintain a shop, staff and security.


Added on September 14, 2011, 3:57 pm
QUOTE(cruzzie73 @ Sep 14 2011, 11:43 AM)
Imagine if one day 20-30% of account holders go to the bank and ask to take delivery of physical, guess how would the banks react.
No problem, they will buy the physical gold and give to customer.
Coz got spread. Their buy back price is still lower than the price they have to pay to buy physical gold.
The bank has no problem, problem belongs to the commodity trader who sold it to the bank.
In a worst case scenario, they make some losses, so it's just another risk of doing business i guess.

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post Sep 16 2011, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(SGKSY @ Sep 16 2011, 10:38 AM)
why the panda is sold at RM210 ? i think the profit margin is quite high. If i order 3 trays 90 coins from US at spot rate usd40, + 15 tax, the average cost is 167-170. The profit margin for selling a panda is nearly 25%? Too greedy....my required margin is only 10-15%. If i have capital to set up a website and sell silver to malaysian, i think most of the sellers in malaysia will disappear.............
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You don't need capital to set up website, just use ebay or lot.my rclxms.gif
Can you COD in KL area? If send by post, are you responsible if the parcel is lost?

I just had a look at Dirham Kelantan yesterday.
Selling RM25 1 dirham (2.975g), buying RM23, the spread is 8.7%.
Higher denomination however has higher spread, which i think is unusual.
More info here: http://pkb.net.my/arrahn/
There's no price on the website now maybe becoz it's holiday.

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post Sep 16 2011, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(marcuslpm @ Sep 16 2011, 06:31 PM)
new in investing in silver here. is it better to get bullion coins or bars?
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for me its bars because there is no 15% tax.
coins only those with collector value becoz the premium with increase much more in a few years time.
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post Sep 17 2011, 12:02 AM

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@chef
support also.
i think the thread will survive in Services Noticeboard.

@SGSKY
it's a free market, if you can supply it cheaper, please do so.
more supplier, lower prices.

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post Sep 17 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(chef @ Sep 17 2011, 08:53 AM)
I don't know, any expert or moderator here can offer a suggestion? some kind of link whereanyone and everyone can go and update the price and item so they can sell exchange or buy bars or silver...

I will soon be ban if I keep posting thread that is going to be deleted.

chef
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@smokymcpot
your thread http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2012742 is not deleted.
you closed the thread yourself?


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post Sep 20 2011, 08:56 AM

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5% over spot price might be possible but don't forget the shipping charges and use the wire transfer USD rate of your bank. Credit card and paypal are usually not allowed for international purchase.

Which bank offer the lowest wire transfer (i think it's call TT here) rate for USD?
Maybank/CIMB is around 3.13.


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post Sep 22 2011, 08:19 AM

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Just to share.
apmex offering 1 coin for each customer for the Perth Mint 1oz 2012 dragon at US$99.99.
Only for customer who bought the lunar series or who used their AlertMe!
Offer ends tomorrow, shipping 4 Oct.

Looks like we will see more dealers starting to sell these hard to find coins soon.


Added on September 22, 2011, 8:20 amare you guys into 2oz coin now?
how about 1/2oz coin?

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post Sep 23 2011, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Sep 23 2011, 02:58 PM)
anyone has been dealing with 1StopGold recently?

i bought few bars with them for few months consistently but i find it getting hard to deal with them.

first their customer service (the way they talk, follow up, etc) are nothing close to satisfactory.

secondly, their price is not transparent. i calculated their selling price previously (base on current spot price and currency conversion), initially was around 10% - today when i called to buy, it was like 15% - 16% i tried asking them how do they calculate their selling price but their standard answers are either "we have our own international spot price" or "sorry we dont disclose how we calculate".

i'm seriously considering not to deal with them in the future.


Added on September 23, 2011, 3:02 pm
i would love to deal with such seller too. if the seller is transparent enough with his price on how he come out with his selling price (of course included an acceptable profit margin for himself)
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what do you suggest? how should seller calculate their price?
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post Sep 23 2011, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Sep 23 2011, 03:43 PM)
selling price = (usd spot price x currency conversion) + seller own transaction cost +  a fixed profit margin

where spot price and currency should follow a live source where the public have access to

the purpose is for transparency so that the buyer would know what deal are they getting into
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would you pay more to a seller who is transparent than to one who is not for the same item?
my opinion is that generally buyers are just looking for the lowest price, so the sellers only compete on price and not much else.


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post Sep 26 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Sep 26 2011, 02:01 PM)
mysmartgold are selling hong kong (no cert) and indonesia (with cert) silver bar now because Pamp Suisse is always out of stock.

what do u think about their hong kong and indonesia silver bar?
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They show picture of pamp silver 1 kilo bar and price beneath it.
What is the price for?
Website is http://mysmartgold.gotdns.org/ dynamic ip or self hosted site i think.


Added on September 26, 2011, 3:17 pmCan anyone tell me the trading day/time for gold/silver/usd in malaysia time?

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post Sep 27 2011, 11:21 AM

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If seller run out of stock, what to do?
You willing to wait 2 weeks for imported goods to arrive or not?
You willing to wait 2 weeks to know if got 15% tax added to price or not?


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post Sep 27 2011, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(OneBuck @ Sep 27 2011, 11:33 AM)
Last time when i called my office supplier, they PICK-UP the phone and tell me they are out of stock, shouldn't they do the same?  sweat.gif
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I see your point. Dunno why they want to avoid your calls. As long as got buyer who willing to pay, who don't want to sell?
Maybe they should think of better business strategy.


Added on September 27, 2011, 1:20 pm
QUOTE(SGKSY @ Sep 27 2011, 12:58 PM)
if the price stay at this 25-35 level, the demand will be even more. perth mint might increase the premium further.
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I though perth mint sold out 1oz dragon. How they going to increase premium?

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post Sep 27 2011, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzie73 @ Sep 27 2011, 01:21 PM)
8% you're referring to gold.
The right place for gold discussion is here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2013163/+1420

To answer your question, that's their business strategy, low spread but high price. That's to encourage people who are worried about liquidating their gold bars to buy from them, and in future sell back to them at low spread.
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Don't forget, for silver or gold or currency or anything, the spread can change when prices fluctuates.
There is no government price control.
Willing seller, willing buyer.
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post Sep 27 2011, 04:53 PM

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Nobody interested with 1/2 oz silver?
Not even perthmint's 1/2 oz silver dragon?
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post Sep 29 2011, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzie73 @ Sep 28 2011, 11:38 PM)
Unfortunately the USD99 offer is limited to 1pc per person (or maybe 1pc per order of a certain minimum qty) only. So there won't be a lot of it being offered in the market.
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1pc limit was for apmex 1 day offer.
gainesville is now selling it for USD99, not sure got limit or not
just got email from them regarding 10% deposit by bank transfer to make order.

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post Sep 29 2011, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(SGKSY @ Sep 29 2011, 02:45 PM)
you three are best buyer hehe. Actually, i I told them if they can come jb, i sell them at 171. But they want 172 in kl. Paying me 30 more to go kl ? Buying bus ticket also not enough lah. They sell other and do postage can earn 25% profit , but i go kl and only earn 10 percent.  Too over liao .....
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cool down ....
it's a free market and willing buyer willing seller.
you can't tell them how much to sell they can't tell you how much to sell either.
you don't have to sell to them if you don't agree with the price.
no need to be upset, just say "no deal".


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