Mind tell us what is God, Or Who is god??? Siapa tuhan?? Law of physics?? A old wise huge Man?? Intangible?? What is God for you??

god=religion=food for the soul=something we believe in.

he's just a figment of imagination to me.
all of his powers are given by us if you know what i mean.

God is a concept or symbol created by man to represent absolute power.

Why create another thread when there are several out thr for u to talk about?

Im free thinker, i wont say i believe absolutely no god although i see no sign of his existence
Provided that if god is exist, i would say he is a merciful god,
he dont do as much as what ppl say but just a creator of everything
The everything i mean is not things that created by human,
building, science, law, machine are all human creation, invent by some outstanding idea of human themselves,
which is no god who conrol it, but god make human has such ability call knowledge that create unlimited possibility
After all, creating human being is like developing an automated machine that process everything once it is developed and let it run on own process, everything is out of control by anyone out there
God maybe almighty, and if he is, our worship means nothing to him
It's like i employ unlimited amount of employee to work for me, but i dont expect them to have full respect and do everything i wan until they die for me

GoD is sumthing tht cant b expressed by words..

but GoD provide everything basic to us, n its up to us how to improvise it to use it for our own use..

God are known to be the creator of mankind who has supernatural powers.

This topic is very subjective, you can hear all sorts of comments regarding this.

God is, well God. How do you define something you've never seen or understood. In Christian faith, the bible says that God has created us in his image, so next best guess as to what he looks like?



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whats with this obsession with god?

Awesome point stated !!!
Religion = Intangible food for the soul

another God topic funny how this is popping up in pHd section, supposedly a subforum for scientific subjects.

anyway, God = Love.

If someday we develop tools to detect and quantify God, then i believe it will become a scientific field. At the moment, I'm inclined to agree with you, although this question does have philosophical characteristics

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This post has been edited by fenzodahl512: Dec 8 2009, 11:02 PM

In a way, it is a philosophy and a science, no harm in discussing this. As long as extremists stay out, or people who get offended by such open discussions, then we're fine.

God doesn't mean it had to do with religion....Recent research in US on DNA tell us something different but i forgot what it is...Non of the researchers could conclude the complexity of design of DNA but conclude it was just somewhat intelligent design

"Intelligent design" in the words could mean GOD...

nice 1

When a software programmer writes a program, will the software has a same characteristic with it's creator? No right?
Same as the relationship between 'the creator' and us.
You can't define 'the creator' in physics.

god is a sequence of random chance that culminated to our existence today.

How the code is written is up to the programmer, and as such different programmers write their codes differently, no matter how they function. Your analogy is fail.

He it is Who enables you to travel through the land and the sea, till when you are in the ships and they sail with them with a favorable wind, and they rejoice, then comes a stormy wind and the waves come to them from all sides, and they think that they are encircled therein, they invoke him, making their faith pure for Him alone, saying: "If You deliver us from this, we shall truly be of the grateful

God is a image created by human to represent things that he cannot explain, origins that he cannot yet determine and to ease the mind knowing that someone should be responsible for stuffs that go on in the universe

God is one who surpassed every capabilities of human being.

God is One

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God is a label put to describe the fundamental laws of the universe way back when there wasn't sufficient scientific knowledge to explain the unseen.

Gods is there,
to help you get started,
to give you a push on your day.

Gods is there,
to turn you around,
get your feet on the ground,
for a brand new day.

To pick you up when you're down.
Help you swallow your pride,
When somethings inside,
to break on through,
on the other side!

Gods is someone you can open up to,
If you think you are ready to flip,
When you got the world on your shoulders,
Gods is there to give you a tip!

Gods is there when you need them,
There're even there when you don't,
For a walk in the park,
or a shout in the dark,
Gods are there,
i don't care,
But Gods will care for you!

God is what you will believe even if it's not there. Scientists call it delusion, but they can't provide an explanation of how deluding they were when they realized they can't prove the existence of their very own intangible emotions in which they themselves believed in, since science requires tangible and quantifiable characteristics.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Dec 12 2009, 04:31 PM

And the currently as yet unexplainable. Eg: The previous post to mine.

I love the Doors.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot my definition. God is a bragging right in the game of DoTA.

This post has been edited by thesupertramp: Dec 12 2009, 09:57 PM

God is something that man has created so he can believe in an after life. Humans cannot except turning into nothingness after death. Its better to go to hell then turning into nothing.

Gos is everywhere!

everything happens in your mind.....

You pseudo-intellectual-wannabes.

Not only you post cliches, but are so ever critically incompetent. Bring in more pointless one-liners and y'all get it.

My interpretation of god is; each one of us is a game character to a player “god” like Yamaguchi, the name of the game is “descendant”. Each god sends influence in the form of dream. Some people dream about the future and it happen, since it is a dream, it can be coincident or just the brain playing tricks so it was never an issue to us.

Our player “god” can only influence not by instruction and we the “characters” are subject to the influence of other characters, the game point is “power” in the form of “religion & wealth”. So we are driven by either and tend to form our own mini empires / dynasties with such power, even alter the religion to our own standards that gave advantages to followers so that they preserve it such as life after death and number of wives.

As a non believer, my “god-player” wants me to be independent and “play life” for the trophy “emotion”. The game point to my “god-player” is happiness versus misery. My “god-player” is experienced playing my ancestor and don’t play the descendant game anymore, I could not defy the sex urge and got married but am divorced with no children, I understand now that I can have sex without a marriage and love without condition.

Some “god-player” broke the rules by going against the law and ethics and turns their “characters” into criminals, robbing the “trophy” from others and game over if caught, on the contrary, decent “god-players” could loose their “characters” to anything we known as accident “rules of the game”.

When our “god-players” restarts the game, a child is born “reincarnation” or starts a new live from scratch. Some of them continue to rule as “sultan / king / queen” even take turn to be the Prime Minister and other “god-players” overthrow them with a revolution or invade and occupy and make it legal by religious rights.

Smart “god-players” exist long ago, they created religion and then became scientist / philosopher such as Newton, Einstein, Charles Darwin, Confucius… Animals & plants are accessories to sustain our live also to make the game interesting or else we will suspect the existing of “god-players” and the game will self destruct like mass suicide.

So, does your “god-player” know my “god-player”? We are being played.

What if a "God" is only as real as how you believe as something so unquantifiable as "feelings", such as "sincerity, and "frustration"?

hello there, old chap. so what is it exactly, that is responsible for the "stuffs that go on in the universe"?

Perfect

God is the only one who plan everything for me.
God helps me whenever I've problem. I just close my eyes, Remember HIM, and ask for help, HE will definitely help me.
God administers this world and HE just want to test us, to know whether we obey on HIS order.
God fulfills HIS promises and No ONE could challenge HIS power.
God is the only one who remains unchanged.

I can't see my God. But I can feel HE always with me.
I can't touch my God. But I can feel how HE helps me.

This post has been edited by uglytwinkle: Dec 15 2009, 09:04 PM

What if your "feels" are described as "delusions" by atheists?

Does it matter what or who and why is "god"? Human can live the life cycle with or without apparent reason, what matter the most is what achievement, how happy or contented we feel in a lifetime not by choice. Memory is our trophy and emotion is the meaning, since we will never know at this time of why "god" keep a planetary zoo we call Earth and begin to harvest neighboring moon and then intergalactic travel in the name if science or continuation of our species.

We have come this far living for the reasons we gave ourselves, many people cannot accept the fact that we could be just a random occurrence and that is why they need religion.

Probably because the opposing idea against determinism under-values the experience of existentialism.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Dec 16 2009, 12:46 PM

My God is the only one whom i can confide all my secrets and innermost feelings, knowing that he understands each of my flaws and loves me in spite of them, my source of strength in the worst of moments, and the purpose of my existence.

whether God is a delusion, oh well, i'm not bothered since nobody can prove it/ disprove it. heh heh.

This is where atheists will catch you.

Use this:

Well... i know some people who say emotions are the byproduct of biochemical reactions in our body. Like love, its nothing more than a biochemical release to feed our human instinct to procreate.

LOL! And how is the "feeling" and "epiphany" that "God is with us" isn't too, the by product of biochemical reactions? And if science actually proved that the chemical reactions = truth, aren't they telling that those who believed in God with their "feelings" are true as well?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Dec 16 2009, 06:52 PM

My player-god told me last night that each one of us is piece of representation of god, the living cycle is just an entertainment like we like to watch movie and play.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Dec 17 2009, 10:11 AM

Your player-god?

I am just the puppet in flesh & blood, thought I am independent but actually I am only fooling myself like everyone else who think they are clever or dumb.

In my limited vocabulary, player-god rather than the ism, ist, sts... my life is a game and I play along, I am creative with trained skills that categorized me as the minority rather than the ordinary people, though far from being a genius, I made my player-god proud who also play many other human characters that will interact with me.

What if these strings that are controlling you are cut off from you all of a sudden?

That is when I go crazy lah, without "guidance" I will likely to go extreme and got myself killed and take some people with me If I am abandoned.
My interpretation of my own god has been around for years and you ask me the questions I already thought of, see if you can think of what I missed.

Hasn't that situation is already happening?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Dec 18 2009, 04:25 AM

lolz.... u got me

Scientists don't care to explain or prove the existence of their own intangible emotions. They hardly believe in it themselves too. Their work and research is based on fact and findings. They label God as a delusion because for them it is intangible.

Then again they can try to prove their own emotions if they wanted to. The study of psychology.

God is just another being created by humans as a way to fall back onto when all else fails.

However, I don't believe there's such a thing as god. What happens just happens. Its all about science, coincidence and maths. The rest are all thrown in with a bunch of human-created factors created to influence human as a way to unite and be under 1.

Such statements can be a fallacy.

You say God is created by humans as a fall back when all else fails. If you say God does not exists then surely everything will still keep failing when people look upon God. Of course if that is the scenario then they will eventually stop believing in God. I don't see that happening anything soon.

Influence human as a way to unite and be under one is also a poorly conceived idea. Why are they so many Gods then? We even have people believing in the same God yet they clash with each other.

If you don't believe in God, you will need better debunking theories.

LOL! BULL SHITE!

If psychology can ACTUALLY prove the existence of intangible "feelings", wouldn't they also proved the existence of God of those having the epiphany of "feeling God", and the feeling of "God is with us"?

And if scientist claimed that those feelings are merely delusion, how then, it is any different of a delusion from their own emotions which are "felt"?

Then you might wanna read my previous post below.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Dec 18 2009, 10:45 AM

Why is it bullshit? They are just selective on what they want see as tangible or intangible. Hence "feeling God" and the feeling of "God is with us" is a delusion to them.

And the basic emotions of "feeling sincerity" is LESS THAN a delusion all of a sudden?

Come on. That is just plain ignorance from those scientists.

If I'm not mistaken not all scientists are non-believers. Those who dabble in science and also has faith, I do wonder what is their stand.

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This post has been edited by marsalee: Nov 13 2010, 08:24 PM

I'll rephrase then.

"Atheists who uses science against the believe of the intangible, in this case, God."

food for thought

If our sciences and technology is soooo high, I wouldn't need to clean your computer viruses.. And we should already have colonies in Moon or Mars..

Science is a necessity but not everything.. Our science still not able to replicate human emotions onto robots let alone to prove the existence or non-existence of God.. We're still not able to travel further than moon, let alone to look where is Nirvana or Heaven.. We can only speculate what's inside our earth's core through thermal detectors.. Human can speculate anything about God referring to their Holy Books..

Its you to choose whether to be a believer or not.. For centuries, people die for their beliefs, and things will go the same until the end..

It might not be possible now but you can't say the same about the future. Anything is possible. From "animals" who used to hunt for food, we've become so advanced today.

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This post has been edited by marsalee: Nov 13 2010, 08:24 PM

human is intriguing and begin to doubt the creator's purpose and looking back to where we come from.
I don't think it is cycle but more likely in other system than Earth because we don't know if the sun burn constantly forever and will worn out, when one cycle is over, I think it will remain dead like those inhabitable planets. Civilization may damage the environment permanently and become like Mars or even moon where there are ice.

Animal without intelligence hunt for food and reproduce and that is their life cycle, they are non destructive to the environment, We become human and civilization is a cancer to nature even to the galaxy / Universe if we reach the "Star Trek" era.

*How old is the earth?
Carbon dating is the reliable method that determines the age of fossil remains, so it is not speculation that the dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, the question of cycle is as if the environment heal itself to allow a new cycle but so far no evidence of unknown technology, unless the earth is completely shuffled and these evidence are buried deep.

However mysterious the pyramid is, it is still made of stone. My own theory is that sand is the mode to drag the stones instead of lifting with crane like us today, easy enough to build sand dune.

Still, it does not offer any leads to the "purpose" of us being created and this thread is to tell your interpretation and test your state of mentality not for people to debunk with science or emotion.

Hasn't that situation, already happening to people?

So, it has happen and that is my perception based on events and documented histories, we tell ourselves to look for purpose not hardwired into our brain because we can choose to have a religion or not. The fact that born Muslim has no choice is to grow their population if not to maintain the (Power to protect the poor) that are the majority and religion came when there are humanity crisis.

I gave myself an answer to define my purpose and live to achieve the goal, it makes me feel more considerate otherwise I don't know why I continue to play the descendant game like an animal with sexual urge.

We are born into the “game” and seek our role, who do you want to play is the person you are and that can change by knowing and learning, I felt silly and stupid looking back to what I have done and didn’t do because I have changed but many people remain stagnant, perhaps it is their purpose.

Human lives is expectable, at different age we are likely to do certain things by social standards even the job we do has ceiling / market value. Those who dare to challenge reality are the bosses and business owners or someone who have followers by any influential means.

So, who are you today and who will you be tomorrow or what is your mission?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Dec 24 2009, 01:03 PM

God is a comfort for the souls who are rejected by the society in different ways. God keeps the needy strong and going.

god is god.cant define in such a manner things.

We know about life cycle, we are somewhere in the cycle and will die one of these days, when it happen, nothing else matters to you only those who know and remember you.

If you die without achieving anything and in vein, you’ll probably have more regrets than rejoice. What if you are given a chance to re-live a life from this age onwards and do things differently? I am sure you would be more appreciative and try to do better because you have experienced the end perhaps change your narrow and selfish perception.

We also know about living pattern doing what others have done, doing a job making a living and attend to all matters as it happen, most people forgot that it is a repetitive pattern dealing with complicated emotions and emotion dictate our lives that over power our ability to ration.

Opinion about our existence shows the level of mentality based on knowledge and emotional state that fluctuate though out our lives unless you adopt and hold on to a religion. I have seen videos of some people convert from one to another and make a better living with it / in it among different community.

As a whole, religions is just a way of life according to a pattern and balance the political power across continent, you can choose to be nobody with nothing significant (ordinary consumer) or somebody that contribute something to your kind / community regardless of your believes and be a follower, the expectable pattern of life.

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This post has been edited by marsalee: Nov 13 2010, 08:29 PM

If animals suddenly grow intelligent ala Planet of the apes, they would surely go after us for 'various' offences.

Like my essay huh, Well, I think we are in tune at some level but why must you define who is better? Which religion do you think is in control of the world economy and who are those in our country or in your cluster? Indirectly, they influence our way of lives, directly, they classified us by race. Believers don't question god and free thinker just wonder about the creations not to say non believer, I do believe are created by something and it could be random occurrence under natural law but what / who is in control of the law or better known as "purpose".

Are scientist going against the natural law by cloning human / animal? A scientist with religious believes would not trespass this law, according to the evolution pattern, it will take a long time to develop intelligence and animal brain will not suddenly have it, if animal species were to evolve with intelligence, they will share our features not remain as chicken or dog, the sense of shame to begin with and won't copulate in public and how to invent or use tools with claws and paws?

I don't get what you mean by "Various" offenses, you mean slaughter and eat them? In case you forgot, the animal world is either eat or be eaten. Look into the mirror and see your animal physiology, it is your mind that make you think you are a human and the real difference between you and others. Fighting, killing, performing sexual act is when you act like animal


I like to think that we reflect the creator, at this point in time we are relatively smarter than people 100 years ago by ratio because of science where emotions / animal instinct remain the same. I am powered by a neutral "god" player came to tell you in simple perspective so we all can be more considerate.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Nov 13 2010, 08:52 PM

God is not meant to be conceivable by human thought. Talking about it is meaningless.

The topic here is:
Define your God even if It was absurb to define it, Close-minded backoff (Philosophy)

So your parent gave birth to you and you don't care why, they just "F" every day and you came out after 9 months. Now is your turn to do the same and you call that meaning?

If God is so easy to describe then everyone would have paid dearly for their sins. Then earth would not be inhabited by anyone. Everyone taken away just like that. And babies no matter how innocent they are are left to rot. The scheme of things than humans would not change. And probably a recycled plot of God sending someone to guide everyone into being good and how to run their lives.

Few thousand years later, they come to this age again of self destructing. Then they are taken away again like a big reset button.

Even further than God something sees it like God is having a blast playing God!

But i just treat God as someone who is there. Whether i like it or not.

Reset button, like playing video game. So you too share my interpretation that we are just game characters?

Believers cannot accept that and there must be a purpose otherwise they will loose direction and the will to live, the feeling of insecurity will lead to chaos. Religion is created to suppress this group of people (the majority) from going crazy, sorry if you are offended.

A life need money & affection and love is what we all live for, memories is what we get which is the trophy of a lifetime regardless of how long we live. The disabled tends to think that life or “god” is not fair to them and it is our responsibility to pay more attention to them. Between human, it is ideology that separate us if not mental strength based on knowledge and experience.

The person we are today is not the same if we learn something new today.

Why must there be an extrinsic reason to life? Why can't the meaning of life be the meaning we give it?

The philosophical theory called absurdism describes it best. From Wikipedia:
"Absurdism is a philosophy stating that the efforts of humanity to find meaning in the universe ultimately fail (and hence are absurd), because no such meaning exists, at least in relation to the individual."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

But this isn't the end of the world. Absurdists believe that once you have embraced the notion of absurdity, you can then define the meaning to your own life.

I personally subscribe to this philosophy, and have never been happier since I've embraced absurdity. Much like believers "seeing the light".

just to clarify something. the choice by scientists whether to follow/break the "nature's law" is not just based on religious reasons.

an atheist scientist may also decide to NOT approve human cloning because of various other ethical reasons which are entirely secular.

so just to shout out: just because somebody ain't religious doesnt mean he'll do bad things

then by this logic, no human definition of god whatsover may be applied to god.

this includes all religious definitions of god.

any attempt to defy this assumed logic contradicts the two premises, therefore that statement is a logical fallacy

This post has been edited by -Adrian-: Dec 30 2009, 12:28 AM

God as a creator.
Quantum forces as a creator.
Any difference?

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Dec 30 2009, 12:57 AM

God or not, nothing can change the masterplan.

"The person we are today is not the same if we learn something new today.". i like this

your arguments carry a huge dose of the afterlife, but really what happens when you die and nothing really happens

if you ask me, god is a fag. everyone tells me he has a grand scheme in the whole clockwork, he looks at it at a marco level, but after reading heaps of economic reports and global politics i feel hard to believe the existance of a supreme being that is looking after everyone.

Assuming I am living a second live changed my perspective completely, I would do more for others than myself. Ever ask yourself if you are given a second chance to do the same thing again and you would do it differently? We make mistakes to learn but we should not repeat the same mistakes others have made because it is our responsibility to avoid and tell.

Japan recorded 30,000 suicide cases in 2009, what ever the reasons, its a pattern and every country has a statistic and some choose to hide it to avoid / encourage, local news paper were advised to keep this kind of news low profile. Does it mean religion is loosing ground?

if you ask me honestly, i would not repeat the same mistakes but i will not change my course. i will not go about being a nice guy and do it, its just not my nature.

well religion is not losing ground, suicides are common in japan and its in their culture they even have traditional suicides. but while that happens one has to look at the larger picture, birth rates are increasing and the overall human population is growing rapidly, thus the numbers in % will naturally increase. the overall human race however is till triving well

do you have a prove on it? to you life just like mineral bottle. recyclable. I hope your wife is not a recond product...haha.

Cant we accept that we are just like other energy in the universe - Laws of Thermoynamics.

When we dies, the energy will be transfered and tranformed into other things. Our body will decomposed as soil and the fosil minerals will be used for fauna growth. The energy from it might be used to grow some trees and fruits. Then got eaten and tansfered as energy again.

us? same with those lowly animals and plants and everything else? the very idea is unthinkable!

What is wrong with your English? Make it habit to improve your English if you want to learn something from the (acting) PHDs here, Don't worry, I was like that before.
Don't take my essay like a statement, I only imply if we treat our current life like a second chance, we would be doing things differently and perhaps more appreciative or extreme. I am divorced and we are both second hand now, I can marry someone even if she is third hand because we are only human.

Good one, I don't believe in recycle soul, our brain is a giant AV and sense recorder though not all memories are intact but it does store enormous amount of info / energy and when we die, it may be absorbed by gravity or insignificant to the amount of other wave lengths. Whether it is natural law, religious law or governing legislative law, we are made to abide to rules in everything we do because we are like stray animal without it.

You feel irk compare to other animals & plants only if you put a human mind in an animal body or as plant. If you are thinking from their point of view, you won’t feel the same. Chilli is hot and some plant grow thorn to deter from being eaten by animal, how do they know animal will eat them shows that we are living things at different speed of time.

We are superior being because we have intelligence and can choose to be happy or sad by fantasizing or recalling memories, there is so much we can experience & learn and one lifetime is often not enough to experience it all so some people say live “life to the fullest” just to reap as much as possible but don’t play like there is no tomorrow or you will regret if you are still alive the next day.

I think I am getting long breath...

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Dec 30 2009, 03:58 PM

Its not an idea...its a fact. U die and get buried down under, ur body decomposed by tiny2 insects and organism that break us down into the elements for the use of nature. We are basically fertelizer when we die.

Lowly? I think if u compare the state of humans and animal today, u might see that humans do what animals couldnt even think of doing.

hahaha, cant imagine how it happen. recycling human like a bottle. i dont have PHD in polymer chemistry... do u believe in god?

If I have to choose, I think we are created by alien and they gave us intelligence among all animals on planet zoo just like we keep animals in the zoo. Why do we do that is the same as they do to us.

Whoever created us is our creator and they may not be the creator of the Universe under the zoo theory, so which is god to you? I don't believe in the god created by human or through a human, why the hassle? Declare holly war again and again or we came from a male & a female that means we are incest descendants.

So who or what is watching us like characters in the theater or zoo?

Even if we are living a second life, there is no way to know. Neither will we know what our past mistakes were. So why does it matter? If I were to live again, knowing what I did wrong this life, I certainly wouldn't repeat my mistakes. But phrase it differently, do I regret my past mistakes? No, not at all. If I did not make the mistakes I made, I wouldn't have known what my mistakes were.

Learning from others is indeed an important thing. It is what drove the evolution of language. One reason why our species is so much more advance than the other species is that our species has gain the ability to communicate through language. It is therefore imperative to our survival that we keep learning from one another. Hence why debating should not be seen as an hostile act, but rather as a means of learning from one another.

okey then who create alien? just exist like that or they create themselves...

but then why can god just create himself?

god is super duper powderful and can do everything, including creating herself.

Translation: Surah 112: Al-Ikhlas (The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of God)


In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.