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 Car Torque or horsepower?Which 1 is more important, For acceleration?

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TSnujo87
post Dec 7 2009, 09:37 AM, updated 16y ago

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Err,been asked this question in Fast and furious forum,but since i think this is quite a technical subject.
So,i trying to get my answer here
Should be quite useful for us in picking up new car in the future smile.gif

some existed discussion in FNF forum
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1250660

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post Dec 7 2009, 11:17 AM

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So i got 1 of my answer tats is torque is for acceleration,n horsepower for topspeed.
Since my driving style is more depend on acceleration(mostly city driving)torque is more important for me i think smile.gif


Another look like very simple but yet quite technical question i would like to ask notworthy.gif
for old mitsu engine(4g18,4g13,4g15)their peak torque come at earlier RPM(2500-4500)

N campro engine(non cps)their peak torque come at later RPM(4000-6000)

Which 1 is more suitable for city driving/city short boost?

N since old mitsu engine can achieve torque peak at low RPM,will it be more FC?becoz no need to REV so high?
So old mitsu engine=Good FC n good boost power at <110km/h driving?

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post Dec 7 2009, 12:50 PM

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IC,tat means for city driving(mostly lower than 4000RPM),old mitsu engine/earlier torque peak engine r better,rite?
I think i got all my question answered,thx for urs opinion notworthy.gif

n next time when im going to pick a car,i should ask for their torque curve graph for deeper understanding to tat car performance,B4 this discussion HP is the only thing i c when comparing car performance sweat.gif

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post Dec 7 2009, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora @ Dec 7 2009, 11:15 PM)
Horsepower = ability to accelerate[/u]
High horsepower means better acceleration. For a vehicle with same load, high horsepower means it accelerate better.

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As i know the horsepower constantly increase when RPM roll up,n normally would achieve peak HP at 6-7K RPM.
Is tat means for fastest acceleration,we should drag to 6-7k RPM b4 shift to higher gear?

For example:
we drag the 1st gear to 7k RPM to archieve Peak Horse power,
Then shift up to 2nd gear n the RPM dropped to 5k RPM,then we drag again to 7k RPM to Peak horse power,
N repeat n repeat...
So in this way we can maintain the peak HP,n btw Fastest acceleration?

I dun think all these make sense,torque is the force to twist the wheel/tyre,meaning torque high=faster acceleration,
Peak HP should be the total force created at by the car wheel at maximum RPM,meaning a metric for topspeed.

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post Dec 8 2009, 05:34 AM

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QUOTE(joe_star @ Dec 8 2009, 01:40 AM)
An old article I read that debated shifting at peak torque vs shifting at max HP explained it this way:
1. Say you shift at peak torque, when you go to the next higher gear, your engine torque now is lower than what you had earlier because it is revving at lower rpm. The engine has to climb up the torque mountain again, thus giving poorer acceleration
2. As you know, the torque usually peaks at around 2000-4000rpm and then starts dropping. Now if you shift at max HP or redline, you will definitely be shifting to an rpm where your torque is higher than it was before. The acceleration will be better.

Conclusion: always shift close to max power to obtain best acceleration smile.gif
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Lets say for car 1,torque peak at 2500RPM,and slowly drop from 2.5k-4k,n a drastic drop after 4k.
Which way should be better?

1)drag to 4k RPM n then shift to higher gear,n it should drop back to 2-3k RPM.

2)drag to 6k RPM(closest to MAX HP)then only shift gear,n should be dropped to 4-5k RPM.

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post Dec 8 2009, 01:53 PM

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Seriously do u guys think,if i go to a car showroom,do i have the RIGHT to ask for their engine torque curve/HP curve chart?
Or any other way to know a car engine performance more detail?

Buy car not = buy something in pasar le hmm.gif

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post Dec 9 2009, 11:55 AM

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Getting more confused....
More layman's term pls smile.gif

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post Dec 11 2009, 12:28 PM

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well,i think after this discussion we did learned more about torque n horsepower for car engine.
Hope this lil knowledge will help us out in picking new car in the future smile.gif

IMHO i prefer low RPM torque power more than High RPM torque power,
becoz usually i wont drag my engine more than 3500RPM,coz very noisy n drink more petrol.

N i oso noticed some ENGINE not really as power as they stated in the performance sheet.
For example their stated Peak torque is on 150NM@4500rpm(example)
while most of the time,their average torque r much lower than the PEAK TORQUE stated,becoz their torque curve fluctuated very much sad.gif
So do research more on ur potential new car smile.gif

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