The time difference is 6 hours. This means that during the preliminary stages, the first game kicks off at 7:30pm.
Discussion 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa
Discussion 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa
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Mar 4 2010, 01:18 PM
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The time difference is 6 hours. This means that during the preliminary stages, the first game kicks off at 7:30pm.
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Mar 5 2010, 12:17 PM
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I for one have never supported any national team but I must admit that I'll be following games involving England and Spain this coming tournament. No secret why. I'm going for Spain to finally break the jinx. Like Holland or even the New Zealand All-Blacks, they have always choked during major tournaments. Some people may say that they are the obvious favourites seeing as they rank first on FIFAs rankings but if you look back, you'll note that they've only ever bagged two major international titles, the latest being the European Championship. They have never progressed beyond the Quarter-Finals of the World Cup since 1950 and are not clear cut favourites if you ask me.
Why Spain then? I think they have an abundance of talent in the squad although they may be a little thin at the back. I just saw them make France look like a 2nd rate team, winning 2-0 at the Stade De France, their first on French soil for an eternity. They way Spain passed the ball about especially in the middle of the park was a sight to behold. I think that amongst all the teams, they have the most options in that position. Iniesta, Silva, Xavi, Fabregas and Jesus Navas all featured in that game and all work the ball about so well in closed quarters. You then have Xabi Alonso sitting deep, spraying the ball about if you are looking to pass the ball long. Liverpool fans will also attest to the fact that he has a pretty good defensive game as well. If Spain are leading and need to defend a lead, they can bring on Senna and Busquets. In attack they have two of the best strikers in the world, in Villa and Torres. Against France, they had the luxury of playing both as lone strikers at different times. Anyone see Torres turn Ciani inside out? If the starting back four stay healthy, I think they have an excellent shot. From what I saw Pique seems to have matured into an assured, steady defender and at 6'4" is solid in the air on both ends of the pitch. Ramos has good footwork for a defender. I may not know as much about the team as say Verx but from what little I saw, they will definitely be hard to beat. |
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Mar 5 2010, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Mar 5 2010, 01:02 PM) I just had to reply to you just because you mentioned me Good. There is a lack of quality discussions going on lately. |
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Mar 10 2010, 06:18 PM
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Jun 24 2010, 03:19 PM
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Could care less if England get knocked out. Here's a good piece written by former Scotland international and current football pundit, Lou Macari.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « The quality of English football has been on a steady decline since 1996 when Terry Venables was boss. One may argue that it was earlier when Bobby Robson resigned after guiding them to the World Cup semi finals in Italia 90. Compare the squad today with the squad back then. How many Peter Shilton's, Terry Butcher's, Des Walker's, Mark Wright's, Stuart Pearce's, David Platt's, Paul Gascoigne's, Steve McMahon's, Bryan Robson's, Chris Waddle's, John Barnes', Peter Beardsley's or Gary Lineker's do you see in today's squad? Forget names like Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney. None seem to be able to reproduce their club form at international level. In terms of the minnows doing well, I don't think it's as much about the big sides playing poorly as it is about the smaller sides catching up in terms of quality. |
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Jun 24 2010, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 24 2010, 05:03 PM) As for Brazil and Argentina. I think Brazil have looked better. They have faced better opposition and they look just as assured when they have to defend as well as being very efficient in attack. So far no one that Argentina have played have really tested their slow backline. It'll be interesting to see how Argentina will cope when under pressure. Aye, I'm thinking the same thing. Not often in this day and age your manager decides against fullbacks, particularly ones that overlap. Also, 6 strikers? Leaves em a little thin in the middle of the park. What are your thoughts on Spain's chances? |
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Jun 25 2010, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 24 2010, 08:16 PM) As for Spain I think the Switzerland defeat is just what the team needed although it does make the upcoming Chile game a do or die one. But the initial pressure of being heads on favourites is gone; everyone is talking about Argentina and Brazil now and Spain seems to have gone under the radar somewhat with the 2-0 win over Honduras not impressing. They still have the right mix to go all the way imo. No one moves the ball from back to front as fluently and even against the big guns they should be able to dominate possession comfortably. Their defending is abit unorthodox but it seems to suit their style but they are abit more vulnerable to the counter attack as compared to Brazil. I think once the front line gets their sync back and Torres rediscovers his touch with this new ball I wouldn't want to bet against them no matter who they face. Spain were and still are my pick despite losing to the Swiss. What gets on my nerves is the knee-jerk reactions from some "football fans", suddenly claiming that Spain are overrated. Leaves me wondering if these folk actually watched the game or checked the internet for the result. Spain did everything but score in that game and if the game were played 10 times, Spain would have won 9 of them. Spain may not be impressive yet, but how many teams have actually impressed so far? On the topic of Italy vs. Slovakia, the play acting was sickening. Sure my adrenaline was pumping towards the end but to see atheletes in prime condition go down "injured" each time they get grazed is pathetic. Boo to Italy for a crap performance but double boo to both teams for feigning injury. |
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Jul 4 2010, 04:56 PM
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I don't think it's out of the question for anyone to be bought. The last Italian match fixing scandal involved some pretty big clubs including Juventus who were relegated to Serie B. While it's logical to assume that rich players don't need the money, you cannot ignore human greed. The rich always want to get richer and there is never enough.
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Jul 8 2010, 02:28 PM
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One step closer to my little pot of cash now
What a display by the Spanish midfield. The German's simply couldn't get the ball off them. Alonso was superb on both ends of the field, firing passes all over the field, and back defending whenever they didn't have possession. Xavi was creating chance after chance for the list of Xabi Alonso and David Villa whilst Iniesta constantly danced his way past the German defence. Pedro has a good second half bar his reluctance to give the ball to Torres who had the goal gaping in front of him. In fact, they were so dominant in this department that Busquets probably wouldn't have been missed had he sat on the sidelines to read the papers. The first thought that came to mind after the final whistle was the posters that were labelling Spain as one of the most overrated teams after their opening loss to Switzerland. The knee jerkers claimed that the Spanish would choke again. Leads me to believe that these people only read about the results without watching the game. The Spanish dominated that game as they did this one. Then there are some that seem to have watched a different game all together. A poster in the World cup forum thought Alonso had a poor game this morning and that he is Spain's weak link. What???? Forget that there was only 1 goal scored, the fluid passing and movement whenever they went forward was a sight to behold. It was the same kind of performance I saw them dish out when they outplayed the French in their own backyard. The French simply couldn't get the ball of them and it was pretty much the same this morning. I must admit that like many I was impressed by Germany's results against England and Argentina however like some of my friends, we wondered how they'd stack up against a team that actually had decent midfielders. Yeah, yeah I hear it already. Posters going, "yeah but England have Lampard wor, and Gerrard and...". Exactly. England have a bunch of individualistic primadonas and have never looked a decent side for the past decade. Argentina had no one in midfield bar Mascherano who kept himself busy chopping people down. This was arguably the first time in the tournament the German's came up against a side who could more than match them pound for pound in an area of the field where most battles are won or lost. The only positive thing I can say about the German's is that Schwensteiger has come a long way since I first saw him predominantly on the right flank. Constantly involved in everything on both ends of the pitch, putting in crunching tackles and driving his way past Spanish defenders. Hmm... if Gerrard leaves for mucho mulah and Schwensteiger is looking for a new challenge... This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 8 2010, 03:22 PM |
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Jul 8 2010, 04:01 PM
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Jul 8 2010, 07:03 PM
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I didn't bet on Holland making it this far either because I don't think they have a strong defense. Then again all you have to do to compensate is to score more then your opponent eh?
I'm on the other side of the fence. I've got some money riding on Spain not because they were ranked no.1 at the time but because they play some really neat football and I enjoy watching them. I can't say I'm particularly fond of the Dutch although Dirk Kuyt is in the side. I'm not exactly a fan of the likes of Arjen Robben, Van Persie or Van Bommel. Along with Sneijder, I can't wait to see them go up against Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso and Pedro. I think that Spain have the stronger defense and hence, expect them to win. Whatever happens, I hope it will be a great final. |
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Jul 9 2010, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jul 9 2010, 01:01 AM) Howard Webb??? http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/ju...world-cup-final Well I've always said that I thought Howard Webb was probably the best ref in the Premiership although he did have a patchy season, where a lot of questionable decisions were made. That being said, he looks like a figure of authority being a police constable and all. Hmm the makings of the next Pierluigi Collina perhaps? The game has been lacking charasmatic and standout referees especially since Anders Frisk also stepped down eh? QUOTE(clsiluf @ Jul 9 2010, 10:03 AM) yes, base on history, they will win it. Well based on history, a South American or African team should win it but that's no longer a possibility |
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Jul 13 2010, 04:41 PM
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To say that Howard Webb was "inconsistent" is an understatement if you ask me. I think he has had a poor season by his standards. When I say, "his standards", I refer to the earlier part of his career where he had an almost umblemished record, making calls that were spot on. I'm surprised that he dished out so many yellow cards especially since he is a Premiership ref.
I have to agree. I hate all the playacting. I simply cannot bring myself to respect a player, regardless of club, who feigns injury or dives. Such acts can tarnish the image of the greatest players. People may remember Maradona for being a brilliant player, which he was but still, he cheated on the biggest stage and saw nothing wrong in it. This to me speaks volumes of a person. You'll note that it is in high pressure situations that a person's true colours come to the fore. Anyone remember Rivaldo's incident? Ball hit his knee and he went down clutching his face. What a disgrace. Yes, Iniesta was fragile but not more so than Robben who looked like he got hit by a sledgehammer each time he went down. I think it's a matter of pride more than anything. If one wants to be known as a cheater or diver, then it's his perogative. I just hope it isn't a true reflection of one's character is all. In my opinion, Spain deserved the title. So what if they didn't score that many goals? I really enjoyed watching them pass the ball around with relative ease. There isn't a doubt in my mind that they dominated almost everyone they played with in that department. Even the Germans couldn't match them after having obliterated Argentina's non-existent midfield. In the end, I won my pool so I'm a happy camper |
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Jul 14 2010, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(nando @ Jul 13 2010, 10:19 PM) interestingly, i met a few Americans 2 weeks back and they were telling me how football is getting out dated and needs a revamp in many things....they were telling me that sending off 1 player and causing a 11 vs 10 is silly (they are proposing that you can send a player off but replace him with another player), that there is too much acting, blah blah....(It was amusing to listen to their big talk but i didnt want to spoil it since they were on high after USA qualified for the 2nd round...hehehehe). then they told me that in comparison, American football is a cleaner game (more referees, lesser acting and controversies in terms of referee error, player acting, sending off, etc). I for one cannot understand the appeal behind American sports like 'Football', where you use your hands more than your foot. Also a baseball game can last half the bloody day, and I'm not a fan of watching fat guys scratch their balls. I agree that 'Football' is a cleaner game but in comparison to rugby, it's like watching a chess match. I don't like stop and start games and that is exactly what 'Football' is. QUOTE(nando @ Jul 13 2010, 10:19 PM) Which got me thinking...maybe that is why bolasepak is a beautiful/interesting game.....it still has a lots of `humanistic' elements on it.... Tell you what. I like the human element in the game as well. Sure it sucks when decisions go against you but it's like I always say, your luck evens out over the course of a season. People only focus on decisions that go against them but choose to conveniently ignore instances decisions went their way. Without controversial moments, there will be a lot less drama and points to debate over. On the plus side, blood pressure levels will probably be lower across the board and there will also be a decline in the number of bookies. In terms of cheating, simulation or whatever you want to call it, I think it's more a moral issue. If a person thinks that it's ok to cheat to win, then that's his perogative. I for one don't see how I can celebrate being given a penalty if I know I dived. As supporters, the only thing we can do is to voice our disatisfaction at the said player even if he is from a team we support. Remember how Drogba got booed at Stamford Bridge? We can only put pressure on the players because we are clearly not in a position to dictate the rules, or mete out punishment. I think fans who back their players when they cheat are just as bad as the cheats themselves. The club should always come first and players have to earn the right to dorn their colours. No player, however big a superstar should be allowed to go against the principles of a club, and I don't believe any club condones cheating. We have a code of ethics for everything, so why not one for sports? |
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Jul 14 2010, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jul 14 2010, 10:59 AM) Americans generally like sports that are played with hands hence baseball, basketball, american football and hockey. You mean ice hockey right? In regards to rugby though, trust me when I say it's much harder than it looks. Used to play it up to the age of 23, Hurts much, much more too compared to American Football what with the no padding and all. And fun to play when you're pissed. Legal way to channel the anger. I agree with the rugby. Friend of mine used to play in Singapore and he's said the same thing. Dudes generally like to puff their chests out, and wrestle a little every now and then. It's natures design. I used to like watching Aussie rules as well. I may be wrong but it strikes me that by and large, American fans watch sports more for entertainment whilst football fans in particular do so for more personal reasons. Like if you watch a football game, the pre-game barbeque, and generally the whole days atmosphere is taken in, which is why I reckon they don't mind that baseball games take so long. Thinking out loud here. QUOTE(odieseven @ Jul 14 2010, 11:08 AM) I still believe that FIFA is the reason why diving & cheating is considered part of the game. Players can be given a 3 match ban after a review of video evidence of a violent conduct. Why not apply the same rule to cheating & diving? If the referee missed De Jong's or Van Bommel's tackle, they should be banned in their future international games. That should include the diving or card waving incidents. The final was horrible to watch & if future finals are like that, then i fear that the honour of the game will be lost because FIFA & football fans in general are accepting it as part of an interesting game of football. I completely agree. I mean it's ridiculous to think that you can get booked for over celebrating. What the heck does that mean anyway? So a cheat gets away scott free, and someone gets booked for being happy he scored? Makes no sense to me. |
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Jul 14 2010, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 14 2010, 01:55 PM) now the world cup is over there is the question of what the effect will be on the winning country, will the new found pride and joy help to unite spain? it is surely a change when in barcelona a large crowd is waving the spanish flag instead of burning it. Status quo will resume once the euprohia dies down. just three days ago people are out in the street to protest againts spain control waving catalan flag Celebration went a little over the top eh? 2 dead and 100 injured? http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_Sp...61353745C408945 |
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