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post Oct 22 2010, 02:10 AM

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Hi everyone, I can't decide which camera as I have lost touch with the camera world even though I was once an avid slr photographer many years ago (before dslr was invented). tongue.gif

Originally I had opted for Lumix LX5 becos I want something compact. LX5's built-in Leica lens' heritage and quality also attracted me. Furthermore, I like that it can zoom and autofocus while videoing. Unfortunately it not having any depth of field mad.gif for still photography is a BIG minus for me since I like blurry portraits. BTW, I also like existing light photography over flash. I don't do sports photography much so ultra-fast shutter and fast multiple fps not important to me.

Hopefully you sifu's can give me your advice and suggestion saving me hours googling around. tongue.gif

Thanks a million! rclxms.gif

Type of camera/lens/accesories :  DSLR + Lens Kit
Budget: RM2-3K
Your Location:  KL
Preferable brand :  Any major brand which has reasonably priced bright (fixed or zoom) portrait lenses.
Type of photography u want to do :  Portrait & Existing Light Photography
Any specific models in mind? :  Prefer a small body. Don't mind cheap body x better lens, just-discontinued or even used equipment.
Any specific features u want? :  (1) Preferably has a built-in viewfinder so that I can hold the camera by pressing against my face to steady it for existing light photography; (2) If can zoom and autofocus while taking HD video would be an added bonus to me.

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post Oct 22 2010, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 22 2010, 02:17 AM)
Canon 550D body only + 50mm f1.8 (though this is equals to 80mm in 35mm)  which should fit your budget. You get a good sensor, accurate metering.. the works... including HD movie (though no autofocus in movie mode.. heck they're slow anyways).

This combo is pretty damn small and light at 630grams for body, lens, battery and the kitchen sink.
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Hi Sniper, thanks.
Any more suggestion fellow forumers? Pls keep them coming.
Any constructive suggestion is welcome.
Oh yah, one more thing - quoting the 35mm camera lens equivalent will be very much appreciated as I'm not familiar with dslr's focal length.
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post Oct 22 2010, 08:39 AM

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CoreDud, thank you thank you! notworthy.gif

More suggestions plssssss... rclxms.gif

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post Oct 22 2010, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 09:49 AM)
i would suggest the sony a33. its small, light(although the cheap plastic build maybe a turn off). for 3k you can get the body and TWO kit lens if i am not mistaken. or you can get the sony a55 with ONE kit lens. sony bodies have built in stabilisation so every lens you attach to the body can have stabilising effect, unlike canon and nikon which relies on built-in lens stabilisation.

even acceptable images at iso 12800, let alone iso 6400.  biggrin.gif

currently has the best AF for video recording in a DSLR. very silent(even for normal lenses). very very quick and accurate compared to the 550D, 5DM2 and the likes.



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Thanks a lot zstan. If not for you the A33/55 probably would have escaped my radar. sweat.gif Will definitely check them out. Hope I like how they look and feel. hmm.gif

Wow! even images at iso 12800 also boleh tahan! Then lower iso no need to say already loh hor. That's surely a strong point to me since I like existing light photography. rclxm9.gif

I didn't know that Sony has the best AF for vid recording. Good that you point it out to me.

I'm rather impressed with the autofocus speed shown in the videos. Are Canon/Nikon's much slower, anybody knows?

Wonder Sony's lenses are in the same league as Canon and Nikon already? hmm.gif

Thank you once again zstan. rclxms.gif

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post Oct 22 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 22 2010, 10:06 AM)
sevenor, what was your previous SLR setup and do you still have your lens with you?

On dslr's at your budget range:

Canon: Focal range x 1.6 crop factor to get 35mm equal.
Others: Focal range x 1.5

I don't really reckon the D3000 to be a good buy now since you mentioned HD movie, the D3000 has no Liveview let alone a movie mode as its quite an old model. The ISO capabilities can also prove to be a limiting factor if you're talking about available light.

I agree with Zstan though, the Sony A33 has one of the most longest spec list to price ratio. However, the viewfinder is electronic (essentially peeping into an LCD) and it felt like its built using airfix plastic tongue.gif
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Actually I had dabbled with most of the big names except Minolta (strange, don't know why). Sony and Panasonic cameras were not out yet. Cameras I owned are now antiques already. I also malu to tell you guys. Anyway, they were Canon AE1, Canon A1, Olympus OM2N, Pentax MX and lastly the Nikon FM which I coupled it a 28-200mm/f3.5 Tamron lens besides the standard lens it came with, if I remember correctly.

The last 20 years or so I had switched to compact cameras after tired of dragging heavy and bulky slr around. That's why at first I thought of getting the Pana LX5 as my next camera istead of DSLR, but alas no DOF susah lah.

What's the pros and cons of EVF, anyone?

Thanks once again, Sniper. notworthy.gif


Added on October 22, 2010, 11:20 am
QUOTE(mint87 @ Oct 22 2010, 10:12 AM)
if u're leaning towards the HD video mode, sony's SLT camera's (a55/33) got the best AF so far

got to agree with sniper n zstan

just that with the sony SLT cameras,u might be losing abit of light..by 30%..not that big deal if u dont really mind tho smile.gif
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Thanks mint87 for confirmming that Sony has the best AF so far. biggrin.gif

Will the loss of 30% of the light affect the IQ?

Cheers!



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post Oct 22 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 10:17 AM)
@sniper
sorry but what's airfix plastic? hmm.gif plastic i know la. laugh.gif airfix....?

as for the EVF, the only cons i can think of is you might not get used to it or just personally don't like it for no reason. laugh.gif

with EVF, you can view your pictures directly in the view finder without taking your eye off, some may like it, some may think its a hassle(can be disabled).

if you change your WB, you can see how it actually looks like in the EVF. conventionally, you have to try your luck, or rely on experience, or use live view to check.

you can also get the real depth of field. in conventional DSLRs, you can only see the depth of field at f3.5 even if you are shooting at f1.4 . of course if you are shooting at f3.5 and below then the depth of field is accurate.

and many more benefits you can go read yourself la. biggrin.gif
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Judging from what you explained, this EVF thing seems to be a good idea. smile.gif

What do you mean by "conventional DSLR"? About the depth of field, why is it that with conventional DSLR you can only see DOF at f3.5 even if you are shooting at f1.4? rclxub.gif

"...you can go read yourself la", I know but lazy ma that's why I asked you sifu's loh. Else have to spend 10's of hours browsing on the net, see liao. biggrin.gif

Arigato zstan! notworthy.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 11:39 AM)
sevenor stated 'video recording with AF is preferable' in his list ma. laugh.gif ..no doubt all serious videographers use manual focusing..
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Thanks for the explanation on conventional dslr thing. smile.gif

So need to ask you when they say a camera's video recording has AF do they mean that the camera will keep on refocusing whenever you point the camera on a different target/subject like when we video a person moving towards you? Sorry, I'm so behing time, guess I lau liao cry.gif And how do you go about refocusing it manually? Is it troublesome? hmm.gif

Thanks in advance everybody.


Added on October 22, 2010, 3:22 pm
QUOTE(General_Nic @ Oct 22 2010, 12:52 PM)
if u still have old Nikon mount lenses, u still can use it on Nikon new Dslrs
Minolta A-mount lenses can use on Sony Dslr oso but since u nvr used Minolta...
Canon old mount lenses definitely cant use on their Dslrs

if u r accustomed to Manual focus, u can use 50 f/1.8 on D3100
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Unfortunately I sold every single one of them already when I switched to using compact cameras. Now regret. cry.gif Even had a handheld German bellow foldable camera with Carl Zeiss lens but was stolen. mad.gif

So now have to start from scratch. That's why have to decide which make carefully, don't want to keep switching make cos very costly. I only plan to have 3 lenses in totla - 24 (or 28)mm, 105 mm and a 28-135mm zoom (I'm talking about 35mm photography), as I'm no longer gila camera or photography (cos proven I don't have artistic talent even thought I have the technical knowhow cry.gif ). Will go for the brightest lens if at all possible and then build up my set from there. That's why I do not mind even used or cheap body if it means I can have better quality lenses.






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post Oct 22 2010, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 22 2010, 03:23 PM)
Yeah but problem is that it's slow even on the fastest system.. you can check youtube for examples.

Refocussing it manually is just like turn turn focus ring on the lens like your old SLRs... only easier as the video is shown on the LCD (liveview).

Situations such as kid running around.. forget AF video.. it's not fast enough and when its HD resolution... its will show.


Added on October 22, 2010, 3:29 pm

That could be a bit of a problem.. I don't think any of the camp have wide angle prime for crop sensor.

My usual carry-everywhere setup is an entry 550D body + a Sigma 30mm f1.4 (= 48mm) + 55-250mm tele. Still looking for wide angle solution though.
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Since you said that for kid running around to forget about AF video, so switch to manual focusing? Then need to keep on focusing right? Not mah fun meh? hmm.gif

Wah, very bright Sigma lens you have there! drool.gif

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post Oct 22 2010, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 04:17 PM)

erm..did you watch the video that i posted? slow AF?  hmm.gif

oh, and one more pros for the EVF, you can record videos through the view finder as well  laugh.gif
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Yes of course I did. Was impressed with the speed of the autofocusing. Would have thought that big names like Canon and Nikon also the same. Surprised. shocking.gif

Think I'll like the EVF cos don't like holding camera away from body/face - it's not so steadly especially at shutter speeds longer than 0.5 second. Hate having to carry tripod or monopod.

Was checking the camera and lens prices just now and noticed that Canon bodies come in EOS and D series, correct? Can you guys tell me what are their differences? Thanks a lot.
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post Oct 22 2010, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 06:15 PM)
oh, did i mention the a55 can go 10 frames per second too?  biggrin.gif but of course there are some restrictions shooting at such high speed.

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I believe there will be less camera shakes cos no mirror movement as it is fixed. You all forgot to highlight that Variable Angle Xtra Fine LCD which I found very useful from past experience.

Just found out that Sony A33 can only shoot up to 11 minutes of video at 20 degrees Celsius with Image Stabilization turned on, due to sensor overheating issue. A55 worse, only 9 minutes. In our hot weather it'll be worse. cry.gif

What a waste cos I've more or less decided on Sony SLT DSLR (provided it feel right when I go and check it out in the shop and not too bulky like I saw on the web). Now only need to see which model and package to go for. I may have to top up my budget by 1-2k if I go for A55. Hope my bank manager won't ask me to sleep on my own after my purchase. biggrin.gif

Last but not least, thanks to all of you sifus for your guidance. Really appreciate it.
Mmm Koi Mmm Koi!!! rclxms.gif

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post Oct 22 2010, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 09:02 PM)
hahaha. i knew you are going to say that. its negligible. if you turn off Super Steady Shot you can go up to 29 minutes.

but then again, ask yourself, how often are you going to shoot 11 minutes straight without pausing?  rolleyes.gif
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True, true. I agree. Phew! rclxm9.gif

The A55's EVF protrudes out so much wonder nice to use or not. Heard it has got this 'rainbow' ghosting issue.
And the PASM dial, so unconventional located. Don't know practical or not.
What do you guys think?

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post Oct 22 2010, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 11:00 PM)
why not you just go to a sony shop now and try for yourself instead of reading reviews. not to say they are useless...but sometimes..when something is so good..people tend to find the slightest of faults..

its lucky you haven't read the 'a55 sucks because it doesnt have soft focus/pin hole/tilt-shift filters unlike the canon 60D'...  doh.gif
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Now? Now is already 11:21pm where can I still find photographic shop opened leh?
Tomorrow too busy think Sunday I'll check it out in one of the major retail outlets in The Curve.
Keeping my fingers cross that I'll like it and that the A55 body plus one good and practical lens is within my reach. smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2010, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 22 2010, 11:57 PM)
there are already a few users of sony a55 in this thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1603420

maybe u can ask their opinion. smile.gif
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post Oct 26 2010, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(1nine2five21 @ Oct 25 2010, 05:22 PM)
does anyone know the price for Canon S95? I just bought an LX-5, but some said that S95 is better and for a lower price at that, thanks if u can share some information
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For true portability = S95
For ability to zoom and autofocus when video recording = LX5
For prestige & resale value = LX5 tongue.gif
Everything else, both about the same.

Just my two cents worth. smile.gif

You may also like to refer to this easy-to-understand review.


BTW, I'm going for LX5 cos I need the video features above.

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post Oct 29 2010, 09:30 AM

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Anyone can let me know what is the difference between these two lenses (apart from the VC thing)?

This vs This

How come one has got blue ring around it?

Thank you.

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post Oct 29 2010, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Oct 29 2010, 09:32 AM)
He added that blue rubber thingy for smoother zooming?
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Didn't know that there is such a thing in the market for smooth zooming.
Is it of any use?
Thanks for sharing.

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post Oct 29 2010, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 29 2010, 09:54 AM)
what you mean less lens choices? are you looking for a 50mm f1.2 or tilt shift? then yes, Sony does not have these lenses.

what does exp mean? Sony's flashes are the cheapest by the way.
some people just thinks it looks cool. no specific function whatsoever.
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To me blue ring looks out of place - downright ugly.
If in red or gold, then nice. smile.gif

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