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post Jul 24 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Jul 24 2020, 08:49 AM)
I know this is an old post but just want to share my experience for those considering Jotashield. Late last year (around December), I repainted my house with Jotashield Colour Extreme. Over 13 years ago I had used Jotun Jotashield as well and was satisfied with it.

Thinking that Colour Extreme was an upgrade since it came with 12 years warranty, I was silly enough to spend extra money to buy and use it.

Two months later my exterior walls of my house was covered with water streaking marks. Complained to Jotun and they had the cheek to tell me to use soap and clean the walls. WTF.

After several complaints and follow-ups, they finally agreed to replace the paint with Jotashield Anti-Fade, which supposedly comes with anti-watermark technology (which surprisingly the more expensive Colour Extreme did not have). So now, I have to pay someone to repaint my house again and hope that the water marks don't come back.

In my opinion, Jotun shouldn't have put Colour Extreme in the market as it is so prone to water marks. As Malaysia is a temperate country with a lot of rainfall, the black water marks can appear very quickly, and looks very obvious especially if you are using a light coloured paint. 

I hope Anti-Fade is better. Will update this thread 6 months down the road. I don't know why Jotun changed their Jotashield paint formula. The Jotashield I used 13 years ago had zero issues.
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This is actually depends on the formulation of the paint, nowadays a lot of paints have gone for the development of Low VOC and elastomeric route, which the formulation actually results in lower dirt pick-up resistance. But on the other hand, it solves other common problems in our humid weather such as efflorescence. There really isn't any perfect formulation yet in the market, it really depends on how the paint manufacturer take the balance between these properties. There is not much we can do with the choices in the market except to look for hydrophobic coating to protect the paint films. In my opinion I would rather use the most common exterior product (Jotashield in your case) and do regular maintenance for decorative purpose. mega_shok.gif
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post Nov 4 2020, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(ponyznon @ Nov 4 2020, 03:06 PM)
Just do water proofing for my car porch roof and it is time for repair and paint my plaster ceiling.

Can get advice for experience user?

1. Jotun or Nippon? Nippon looks promising in their website tongue.gif

Did some research some said Jotun more tahan can last longer and Nippon normally 5 years tapao already .....

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Actually both also almost the same. For exterior paint certain colour I would recommend Jotun, for interior I would say Nippon is great. This is based on my own experience only.

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post Nov 14 2020, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Nov 13 2020, 06:53 PM)
Just finished painting one of the wall. ( pic before and after)

The upper part of the wall was less than perfect...hmmm

I have wash the wall with warm water with a bit of dishwasher liquid and later spray the wall with water garden hose. Later, I applied one layer of sealer and two layer of white paint on the wall. Look like it was not good enough...

Look like i may need the stronger water spraying tool such as high pressure water jet which used by some of the contractor to clean the wall.
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The molds are still there, your paint won't last that long until it turns back to the previous look. The proper way is to do high pressure water jet first, then apply Fungicide and leave overnight to kill fungus spores. Then proceed with normal painting system with 1 coat sealer and 2 coats finishing.

Btw it looks like you were using overly-thinned sealer or base paint with water/ inferior grade paint. The hiding is pretty poor.
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post Nov 14 2020, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Nov 14 2020, 11:57 AM)
applied the fungus killer first or spray the high water pressure first? just to confirm
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Water jet to wash off the old loosen paint films and fungus, then apply fungicide and leave it for 1 day. Wash it off the next day and allow it to dry first before subsequent painting. Use proper exterior grade wall sealer and finishing.

1 coat wall sealer
2 coats finishing

If you don't overly thin your paint, normally the above system should be enough.

Colour really does not matter much, although yellowish off-white and darker colours look less dirty as stains are not that visible on these colours.

It is not true that coloured paints are better than white colour, pastel based colour including white normally contains more Titanium dioxide (what we call white powder) thus provide better hiding.
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post Nov 14 2020, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 14 2020, 03:42 PM)
Both wall painted in Jan/Feb 2020.

Left ... Nippon Weather Shield

Right .. Nippon Matex Emulsion

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Ya Matex is economy grade interior paint and is not suitable for exterior application. Weathershield/weatherbond is the go for exterior grade paint.
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post Nov 18 2020, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Nov 17 2020, 05:34 PM)
anyway since some of you mentioned it, these are the paints and sealer that I used.

I didn’t add any thinner or water before painting. Any comment?
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Those are ok, no problem with the paint. Just prep the wall nicely before painting.

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post Nov 18 2020, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Nov 17 2020, 05:43 PM)
How long do you normally wait for cement render to dry before painting? After 3 weeks of rendering, my wall still got plenty of dark grey patches sweat.gif
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It really depends on the environment. But it's normal to paint after a month. If your contractor has protimeter, request to test the moisture level to be below 16 to start painting.
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post Dec 7 2020, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(hirano @ Dec 7 2020, 09:45 AM)
Lol thanks for explaining. So which option i need to do to have good result, since the house already come pre-painted with Jotaplast Max?

a) Jotaplast -> sealer -> easy wash paint ?
b) Jotaplast -> easy wash paint (skip sealer, primer, etc)?
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If the paint is already been there for some time and no defects (Water mark, powdery, bubbles etc), just go ahead with your finishing coat to overcoat on top of the existing finishing.
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post Dec 13 2020, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 11 2020, 11:38 PM)
sealer is no needed if my surface don't have any hole right?
So i just get a matte easy wash type and before paint i just wipe the surface with some damp cloth.

Then for the roller i think i will go for the conventional, previous i considered this below, not sure did anyone use.. but it seems alot bad comment.https://shopee.com.my/Ready-Stock-Smart-Paint-Roller-Set-Clever-Paintbrush-i.27269204.4033654116
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Sealer is not needed if you wall paint is still at good condition (No water mark, no bubbles, not chalky, etc...). If there are holes you would have to patch up with skim coat, then apply sealer before painting.
Otherwise, just repaint it directly, I would suggest to wipe and let it dry before painting finishing coat.

Roller wise just go to hardware store and get those branded rollers. I normally use Anza and Nippon's paint rollers, consider paying a little premium to avoid other hassle.
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post Dec 27 2020, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Dec 22 2020, 09:47 PM)
Many dev give what looks like paint but its some sort of white powder (chalky cheapo coating cantonese say fui sui) or never put proper sealer and paint on coz it "looks white can liao". Enough to tahan until DLP warranty period can liao cos its done deal and "not my house syndrome" of the bangla painting it.
Suspect that crappy "white powder" has loosened and took the grey paint off.
This crap should be sanded or brushed out until its no longer chalky (ie basically should remove until bare cement plaster).
Then put on a suitable (in this case something that says OUTDOOR sealer) like the nippon 5400 (or 5100), don't remember which is which but u can check.
After the OUTDOOR sealer is on, put on some OUTDOOR paint like weatherbond or weathershield of your choice. Interior paint don't resist mould that well.

If not, it could be the aftermath of rainwater dripping on it (acid rain, mineral deposits.. think of it as flatter mini stalagmite), if brush off with stiff metal wire or stiff plastic brush it should reveal back the grey paint.
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Just saw your post and would like to share some information on this problem. This is efflorescent and is a very common problem in Malaysia, the root cause of this problem is actually moisture transferring the soluble salts from walls/plaster, seep out to the surface and crystalized to become the white solid. If there is no cracks on the wall surface for water to penetrate in, there are a few possible causes that may lead to this problem:

1. Improper painting system
2. Inferior sealer quality
3. High moisture level in the wall while painting
4. Direct contact to ground causing ground water to transfer to the wall

Now we know the root cause of the problem is the moisture inside the wall, assuming that the wall condition is still good, the best way to prevent it from happening is making sure the wall moisture content is always below 16% before painting. If the requirement in some circumstances are not able to achieve, base on my experience the solution would be by using strong alkaline resistance paint like this one, or any acrylic solvent-based wall sealer to replace the conventional water-based sealer. Alternatively you can also opt to apply a thick layer of acrylic based water proofing coating as sealer before subsequent painting if the wall moisture is constantly remain at the higher side.

Your solution should always be making sure the wall moisture level is low, and/or preventing the moisture from transferring the soluble salts out to the paint surface.

This post has been edited by PaintPals: Dec 27 2020, 06:22 PM
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post Jan 5 2021, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(iconic123 @ Dec 28 2020, 04:02 PM)
Hi PaintPals,

Thanks for sharing in detail. Other than the four reasons listed above, I can add cracks as one of the culprits to my wall's condition. I topped up my front gate pillars, and I can see crack lines forming already. I would have to research on filling those crack lines with proper water proofing materials.

One question, I presume you have a tool to measure the wall moisture content (to keep below 16%)? For us consumers who doesn't have the neccessary tool, how many days of hot spell to wait before it is safe to paint?
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It is called protimeter and ranging from basic to professional. You can invest in a basic one to check if there is suspect water leakage or any types of wall damage due to moisture. In normal condition that you washed the wall/reskim, just leave it for one day to paint it on the next day.
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post Jan 15 2021, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(iconic123 @ Jan 14 2021, 10:08 PM)
Update to my case. Nippon sent someone over to inspect my walls, and it was due to cracks and ground water seepage causing the efflourescense. The guy used a protimeter to test my walls, and certain areas go up to 50+. As compared to my neighbour <20.

They recommend to jetspray then fix the crack via v-cut, followed by repainting. I asked the Nippon guy for painter contact and today a professional painter texted me with a quote of rm4.5k for an area of  40 meter square, including all materials. Jobscope includes:
Repairing the walls
1 coat flexiseal
1 coat sealer
2 top coat
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Glad to hear that you solved your wall problem, that is how a professional painting work is done. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jan 15 2021, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(UnknownH @ Jan 14 2021, 09:24 PM)
Anyone, can recommend me a paint? I want to paint my shop(interior walls). Old oredi colour fade out now. White paint enough. Clean look. Customers come in want to buy things also happy with my shop fresh look. Don't want super expensive paint with extra fancy features like easy clean anti fungus anti theft whatever . Something economical but won't stain(like whittish powder) if someone touch the wall.

If it helps, it's a grocery(well kinda) shop.

Another thing, suitable paint for exterior wall of a cold room? It's metal. Or just use same paint above(for shop's interior walls)?
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Go for Satin finish Paint like Jotun Majestic Beauty Sheen or Nippon Satin Glo, that will give your shop a bright and fresh look, but on if your walls are skimmed to smooth finish. Otherwise just go with the conventional maxilite/matex range will do if budget is a concern to you.
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post Jan 16 2021, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(UnknownH @ Jan 15 2021, 02:20 PM)
Cheers. Always a concern but I don't mind paying extra if the paint hold well for a few years. Don't want to on budget and get something that will fade in 6 months.
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Go for low-sheen/satin finish that provides good washability and premium finish (again provided that your wall surface is smooth). No worries on fading on interior paints, fading normally occurs due to organic pigments being degraded from UV. Normally in normal interior condition no issue for internal paint ya. Just go for reliable brands, some brands' economic range are powdery.
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post Jan 16 2021, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(UnknownH @ Jan 16 2021, 08:22 PM)
Does matex/maxilite you mentioned before won't have powdery/chalky issue once they dried up? I plan to buy 18L if that's the case. Save some for my cold room(metal).
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Have been using matex/maxilite for my project works so far no problem. I am not sure about your cold room metal material, but matex/maxilite these types of copolymer/modified acrylic paints are only suitable for wall surfaces (masonry, brick and plaster etc.)
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post Jan 23 2021, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jan 23 2021, 06:07 PM)
My contractor finally finish my hse work..
It's new hse come with dev paint matt white however when I touch it a little chalky..
So I going do below please gv me your view..
Use 2 coat of sealer
https://www.nipponpaint.com.my/products/sea...400-Wall-Sealer
Then another 2 coat of topcoat
https://www.nipponpaint.com.my/products/topcoat/EasyWash

Am I correct or I do it wrongly?
Aside from paint the wall with above I also want to paint my plaster ceiling with same paint.. Please let me know some comment
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For Nippon Paint products, if it is not very chalky then use

1 coat of 5200 Wall Sealer
2 coats of Easywash or other finishing as per your preference

If it is very chalky/powdery, I would advise using solvent base sealer such as Hi-bond wall sealer or 5170 acrylic wall sealer to replace 5200 wall sealer. However you have to ensure good air flow for your house and nobody staying in it for some times as solvent based paint can be really smelly.
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post Jan 24 2021, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jan 23 2021, 11:08 PM)
Oh, so wall sealer 1 coat is sufficient? possible i paint it and leave it 2hr then i paint easywash? since the recoating spec is min 2hr..

Another thing, the wall sealer have alot number but i see website looks ntg diff from description.. 5200 and 5400, while 5200 expensive 50% compare to 5400.
While 5170 is more expensive, its like finishing easy wash price.. i think mine not so chalky till need 5170 haha.. So i just wonder why choose 5200 over 5400? notworthy.gif
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The difference between 5200 and 5400 is mainly the formulation and (probably) the latex used. I myself used both and found that 5200 has smoother finishing, if you are going after a good interior finish for your own house I would personally choose 5200 over 5400.
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post Jan 29 2021, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(culain99 @ Jan 28 2021, 05:18 PM)
For chalky/powdery wall....what is recommended when cannot power wash..?
Scrape as much as can, then wall sealer n paint?
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To add on ceo684 reply above, if the chalk is on top of the old paint surface and the old paint film still binds well to your wall, then can just wipe off the powder on surface, let it dry and apply solvent based styrene-acrylic wall sealer before your next coat of finishing.

Do take note if your existing paint is solvent base then have to check on the type of the paint used to avoid solvent attack, if existing paint is water based then no problem. The only downside from this is the pungent smell produced from the solvent.
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post Jan 29 2021, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(culain99 @ Jan 29 2021, 12:50 PM)
Thanks for replies, something to dwell on.
One other question, is there some way to check what is causing the chalking/powdery issue....like check wall acidity/alkality etc. Seems like local painters/shop don't do this. Overseas some country have master painter certification for tradesmen doing paint jobs but not here.
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Can have a lot of different possibilities of causing the problem depending on many factors i.e. Exposed or non-exposed, type of skim/plaster, type of paint material used. You can share more photos of the problematic walls or engage a certified painter from the manufacturer to check on the problem directly.
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post Feb 20 2021, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Feb 20 2021, 01:01 AM)
Hi to all sifus

May I know which is better Jotun Majestic Perfect Beauty & Care vs Jotun Majestic True Beauty Matt in term of colour? Any big different for indoor ie the living room?
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Not much difference in term of sheen and colour between True Beauty Sheen vs Perfect beauty & Care, both are low sheen and looks great on perfectly smooth skim coated walls. Go for Majestic Truee Beauty Matt is you prefer matt finish.

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