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post Oct 21 2021, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 21 2021, 03:50 PM)
How much liter of paint required for a landed terrace which is about 1600-2000 sqft built up? I am estimating 100 liter white paint to paint whole house cause the original paint was a different color which I don't really like but not sure if it's sufficient. Also any recommendation for paint? Nippon seems expensive..
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White paint meaning those basic matex, maxilite 65 per 18L pail? Its arguably the cheapest range available.. laugh.gif
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post Oct 21 2021, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 21 2021, 07:02 PM)
Maxilite is the brand? Is it good? First time hear hahaha but for paint I only know ICI, Jotun and Nippon  tongue.gif
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ICI and Maxilite also made by same factory wan.
I dont use their stuff for personal reason.

Theres KCC also. Thicker feel, need to dilute 3% water.
Matex ready to use no need dilute.

I personally use Matex when possible..KCC also OK. This 18L economy paint is ard that price wan..u can shop around la but i think 5 bucks diff only .. not worth the petrol.
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post Oct 21 2021, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 21 2021, 08:37 PM)
How about those pearl paint? Much more expensive?
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Pearl glo (ici)? Nippon easywash equiv. Colour paint still expensive at 95 per 5L. 18L pack cheaper. These need to shop around. U can get a feel for prices on peepee or lapsapda
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post Oct 23 2021, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(1234_4321 @ Oct 23 2021, 12:30 AM)
If repaint new condo wall, need to prep and prime as well?
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That depends on whether they give C-grade paint (ok la cheapo paint but still paint) or F-grade (chalk powder fake paint) stuff.. the test is wet a cloth and rub it over the surface. If the cloth turns all white that is a real problem. If not, then its good news, just paint over lah.
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post Oct 23 2021, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(1234_4321 @ Oct 23 2021, 12:37 AM)
If the cloth turn all white, then how ya?
mop all over the surface before painting?
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Mop all over or wipe off with damp cloth. Some hardware store also carry big sponge for plastering (about A3 or A4 size sponge) as an alternative. Whichever method, impt is to Remove the chalky stuff as best as you can. This is the prep work 80% I was talking about.

Apply sealer like nippon 5100 or 5400 whichever big tong is cheapest, 1 coat. This is required coz the chalky stuff will not allow ur good paint to stick well to it
2 coats finish paint after that.
Confirm cantik. This is the 20% painting the easy part. If don't dilute, paint doesnt drip everywhere.

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post Oct 25 2021, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(1234_4321 @ Oct 24 2021, 10:04 PM)
i sifus, tried using roller for white paint (sealer) and the end of roller always got this grey color paint and will accidentally dye the wall and wall is polluted..

what is the grey liquid ya?whole paint is white and no idea where is grey came from
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Cement dust from wall? That's the only grey item tongue.gif
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post Oct 25 2021, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(sawhueijye @ Oct 22 2021, 11:00 AM)
Hello guys, appreciate if you could provide your two cents.

I am considering to use Nippon EasyWash series for painting my whole unit of 1,313 SQFT. Painting area including wall, ceiling and plaster ceiling. Below attachment is the layout of my unit.

1. What is the estimation of paint I need to buy in terms of liter if only to focus on 1 color and assuming to do 2-coats application? I have tried the Nippon's paint calculator and got result of 50L. It seems like too less.

2. What is the purpose of sealer/ primer? It use before/ after the paint? Is it a must to use a sealer/ primer? If yes, how many liter should I purchase? This is because Nippon website suggest to have 1 coat of sealer/ primer together with 2 coats of painting.

3. I was quoted for RM 4,500 to paint the whole unit and the supplier doesn't mention the specifications so I post this to ask about the market rate, would it be cheaper if I DIY myself in this case?

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Hi,
1. I think best if you total up the dimensions of the surfaces to be painted per room to avoid buying too much paint.
Too little still OK you can buy more. But too much just waste money.
Too many surface to be painted and some only need to paint one side.
As a guide, I used a total of 4.5L to cover a 8m x 3.3m wall for 2 coats (long wall in living room).

2. It is the undercoat. Functions like inner wear clothing. Do the wet cloth test to see whether your developer give C-grade (cheapo paint, but doesn't rub out as white powder no need sealer) or F-grade chalk (FAIL grade, lots of white dust come out on the wet cloth, must mop off and put sealer).

3. Surely cheaper to DIY.. Labour cost in painting also include some waiting time for paint to dry off between coats.
Materials basically a nice tall ladder (tall enough so you are NOT standing on top 2 steps) paint, painter tape/washi tape, rollers/brushes/foam pads/paint roller/tray, old cardboard or lots of newspaper.
Nippon range cover a lot of those consumables. Small roller easier to work with especially for female (hand not so tired and doesn't spatter everywhere), but if your arms strong then can use the full size roller lah.

Labour FOC coz you are the painter.
This is assuming you are going with standard matte paints and not special effect paints (momento/suzuka stuff)..those are hard to paint nicely.

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post Mar 23 2022, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(idkihavenoidealol @ Mar 22 2022, 11:10 AM)
Hi all, I am planning to DIY paint my new house. I have some questions and sifus welcome to correct me if I'm wrong or give any additional tips if any.

Paint:
1) Ceiling: 2 coat of Nippon Perfect White
2) White walls: 2 coat of Nippon Perfect White
3) Coloured walls: 2 coat of Nippon Eash Wash
4) Hacked runs on walls: 1 or 2 coat of Nippon 5400 Sealer before top coat

Planning:
1) Sand down uneven surface using 100 grit sandpaper
2) Wipe off dust using damp cloth
3) Seal hacked runs
4) Paint ceiling first
5) Paint wall

Questions:
1) For 2 coats of Nippon Perfect White, is it neccessary since existing is developer's Matex/Maxilite? Or better to paint 1 coat of Matex and then 1 coat of Perfect White to save on some cost?
2) Can I paint at night? Thinking of going to paint at night after work. If wait weekends to paint, might take few weeks to finish. But my concern is that panting at night might be not good for the paint (ambient temperature cause paint shrinkage? Insects?)
3) After wiping off dust using damp cloth, when can I paint? After 1-2 hours to ensure the wall is dry enough?
4) I might be pouring small amount amount of paint into an empty 18L paint bucket with paint grit and dip my roller straight from the bucket. Do I need to stir Nippon Perfect White before pouring?
5) How do I store the paint and roller/brush for tomorrow or next weekend use?
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1. Two thin coat finish paint works best
2. Yes but do not paint on raining season
3. After ur done. The damp wall moisture is negligible if you do not dilute the paint.
4. It will be clumsy. Unless u lift 50kg everyday. Waste energy and slobbering thick coats just not the right way. Paint trays only 2.50 ea or so..to get good result don't skimp on the cheap stuff.
5. Use a small roller (4") that takes changeable refills for most economic solution (4in cheap to throw), better finesse and least arm effort needed. Big roller heavy and waste of effort.
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post Mar 24 2022, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(idkihavenoidealol @ Mar 23 2022, 10:35 PM)
2) What happens if I paint during raining season? The paint will crack? What if it starts to rain unexpectedly when I'm in the middle of painting or just right after painting?

4) But there's advice to paint directly from pail, to reduce the need of pouring many times into paint tray if painting large surface like ceiling. Also mentioned that there's paint grid in the pail (something like a mesh) which I will roll onto to remove excess and even out the paint on the roller (same purpose as paint trays).

5) So let's say I managed to paint only 1 layer of paint tonight and wish to continue 2nd layer tomorrow night or next weekend, the roller has to be washed/changed new? Saw some tips to seal it in ziplock bag, or store inside paint bucket and covered tightly, but I'm not sure is this proper way.

6) If my wall requires 1.5 litre of coloured paint, then I should be buying 2 cans of 1 litre right? But will the colours be exactly same? Or it's better to buy 5 litre directly to prevent different colour? Saw some facebook post bought 2 cans with same code, same seller, same day but different tone.
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2. It will not stick well and won't dry optimally. Also you will have lingering paint smell if not well ventilated.

4. Your call. But climbing up and down a ladder can be reduced with a paint tray.

5. Shrink wrap but since colour paint costs 90 or 100/5L I would want a perfect finish.. u can wash out rollers if waterbased paint but it may also harden if kept too long. And that will create skip lines.

6. Buy 2x 1L and pour them together 50-50 in a paint tray. It will average out naturally.
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post Oct 5 2022, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(hotNcool @ Oct 5 2022, 03:59 PM)
just wanna know, maxilite also suitable regardless of latex paint or pearl painted wall, i finallyt got the house key, but im clueless cannot know what the old paint the ex-owner used?
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If more than 20 years old the paint may fail upon rolling on new paint.
Then u need to resort to sanding off the old paint.
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post Oct 14 2022, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(hotNcool @ Oct 13 2022, 08:31 AM)
why some people saw someone using matex or maxilite instead of sealer for undercoat , they would say the wall is ROSAK , the wall is SPOIL , i dunno why la ,why are they so aggressive one?

my kg house is all done by my father alone 2 decade ago, we put on a new pearl paint (W/O sanding off) in middle of that 2 deacde timeline, i believe my father did not put any kind of sealer since he is not paint expert, now the wall also well-maintained except a spot scratched by my dog and it puffed up and peeled off a bit, others look nice and no chalking effect, just nice... confused.gif  confused.gif  confused.gif
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Using paint on an unsealed wall is basically flexing you're rich as unsealed cement absorbs liquids like a sponge.
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post Feb 25 2023, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 25 2023, 09:10 PM)
how to fix the uneven or wavy painting?

reapint/touch up can fix or skim is the only solution?
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No pic hard to imagine.
Gloss or emulsion?
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post Feb 25 2023, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 25 2023, 11:02 PM)
Like this. It looks terrible under lights

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Yes skim coat will help on the "potholes"
For the raised surface parts largely I feel its due to power point hacking run, and seems like raised surface. Better to level off those raised parts with rough (80-100 grit) sandpaper then skim coat "joint compound" or putty over.


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post Feb 25 2023, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 25 2023, 11:18 PM)
do you think this is related to painter skill or it's already exist from the original condition?

after skim coat, i can touch up instead of repainting the whole wall right?
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Yes after skim just paint a foot or more like cloud bubble in comics
dont paint square box, very obvious. feather the edges.

I think the painter didn't have time to touch up after the hacking. Or the sequencing of events is that paint done first then only hacking was done..like XYZ come n dig road trenches after original tar.

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