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trdcelica
post Dec 30 2009, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Dec 30 2009, 01:08 AM)
i'm bout to start paint work on my tiny apartment next week...well actually not me who's painting but the reno contractor but they only providing the labour & i'm supplying the paints...

Went & spoke to a fren of mine who runs a hardware shop..he recommends me Mr. Paint Man..anyone with experience with this brand?according to him MPM is started with a bunch of experienced ex-nippon & dulux paint...dunno how true cos he always tend to exaggerate things...

Also he mentioned Jotun quality so so only..MPM is highly recommended taking into consideration its price vs quality...ICI Dulux is a very good paint but alot more pricier than MPM..

Second question, i'm cracking my head over the color schemes...i know i wanna use the persian khaki for my main & longest wall...with whites all over...now problem is the two main wall i.e. the wall behind both beds in both bedroom...dunno what color i shd apply...most furnitures will be in whites...including both bed frames..floor is laminated wood flooring but color is quite light not dark wood like color...

Any suggestions?
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Well, if he says Jotun is just so so quality, then ask him is it MPM is the best quality paint around town? Yes, practically every person working in MPM is experienced and almost all also from ICI Dulux before moving to MPM because even the boss of this company is the one previously working in in ICI Dulux as the National Decorative Manager who retired a few year backs before starting MPM.

There are a few ways to determine whether MPM is better than Jotun or even KCC, Colourland and others.

Firstly, MPM is made by PAR Kansai Paint. You can ask him to show you the can and look at the back where they will write manufactured by whosoever..
Secondly, it is only 4.5L which means less 10% from those 5L.

Thirdly, if MPM's paint is made by PAR Kansai, the paint will be second grade paint. It's very simple. If you are the boss of PAR Kansai and MPM approach you to ask you to make the paint for them, will you give them the first grade paint? If you give them the first grade paint, then how are you going to survive in the market when MPM's marketing strategy is much better than yours? So, you'll automatically give MPM the 2nd grade paint. Am I not right?
And furthermore, PAR Kansai Paint has their own second grade paint called the Goody Paint selling at a much lower price than MPM's..
A few months back, those Kansai Paint's men came out and said that why are the people buying MPM when their Goody has the same quality at a lower price. Now, MPM is in the midst of setting up their own factory.

And also price vs quality..
Ask your friend how much is the MPM selling and compare to others 5L. Add 10% of the price and see if MPM paint is really cheap. And the quality, ask him how good is it..

Ask him to show you some color books(not those catalogue but the color books that show you pictures). Maybe that will give you inspiration.

Personally, I would like the feature wall(the wall behind your bed) to be in a slightly darker colour than the rest of the walls in the room.
QUOTE(jollyjoy @ Dec 30 2009, 05:11 PM)
Hi,
thanks for this really good and informative link on paint as I have no knowledge on paint prior to this.

I'm planning to paint my 20x 70 (4 rooms, 4 baths) house and wondering how much would the cost be. As I will not be renovating the house, and just doing plain painting, I'll have to source directly from a painter.

1 painter quoted me (interior only) RM2.5k for Maxilite paint (including grills). He said that all paints are the same bla bla.. saying that it's all marketing gimmick the odourless etc..
Another painter gave me an indicative RM3k-RM4k for ICI Pentalite (interior only)..
Another friend said that labour for Indonesian worker would be RM500-Rm600 for the whole interior house.
1) Wondering if Maxilite paint would cost up to RM2k for the interior painting alone without labour costs?

2) How much paint (interior) would it require for a 20x70? if the following paints are used and averagely, how long will these paint last before I need to repaint again?

   a) ICI Pentalite
   b) ICI Pearl glo
   c) JOTUN Strax Matt
   d) KCC Koreton Ezy Clean
  e) Sissons Super Siscolux
  f) Nippon Odourless

Would it be cheaper if I buy my own paint and supply to the painter? Can anyone recommend a paint supplier in Klang with reasonable/cheap pricing?

3)  Also, what type of paint would be suitable (As I have an infant in the house and plan to move in asap after the painting is done) I'm not too keen on the maxilite though as I read in this link that it's powdery.. shouldn't be good if i ihave children/infant in the house right (who could just scrape the wall.. and ingest it)?

4) Does anyone have any good painter contact for Klang?

5) Is there any other considerations that I should take into account before I engage a painter?

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1. Of course Maxilite won't. Calculate it yourself. An 18L Maxilite costs RM60-63. A 7L costs 30-33..

2. Depending on the conditions. These info can be found behind the can of paint.
It will be cheaper if you buy the paint yourself and hire some Indon painter to paint.

3. I'll suggest Sissons or Jotun. KCC has some sort of fragrance smell. Avoid it if you have infant and planned to move in asap. So far, Jotun ans Sissons don't seem to have any strong smell. You'll only smell it if you place your nose right in front of the paint.

4 and 5 tak boleh tolong. I'm not staying in KL.
QUOTE(yeeck06 @ Dec 30 2009, 05:48 PM)
I just bought 7 cans of Nippon satin glo barley white...RM70/can....Will spent my time painting my living room and kitchen during long holiday...... smile.gif
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Wow, satin glo @ RM70..very cheap indeed.

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post Dec 31 2009, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(ICDeadPeople @ Dec 31 2009, 10:34 AM)
I also planning to paint my house soon. I already ask one painter and he quote we the labour cost is similar as the paint cost. In my case, the paint cost will be 2.5k max and the labour also 2.5k (interior and external).
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now you know why is it the same price?
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post Jan 1 2010, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(intrexpo @ Jan 1 2010, 11:19 AM)
How about TOA paints?? Coz i knew the main distributor..

any comment to TOA paint ?
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Quality-wise not bad and not too good..
Worth trying..
This company was first initiated in Malaysia by someone who worked before for Nippon Paint and then KCC Paint then only TOA but now letak jawatan already..

I think the distributor is Paintrade..Am I right?
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post Jan 2 2010, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jan 2 2010, 11:09 PM)
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woww...u sure seems to know quite a bit about paints...excuse my idioty, what is actually the difference between 1st grade paint & 2nd grade paint? to me, paint is paint, didn't know there's such big difference...with exception to those odorless or easy clean type...i don't know how to tell good or bad paint except for their brand name...

it seems you're quite a Jotun supporter....but if MPM is second grade paint, what about ICI? i quite like the ICI Pentalite Classic range...MPM has too few color choices...unlike ICI...and...since MPM is second grade rated, i think i will go back to basic with ICI Dulux...

another questions, not sure if you can help, but since you know so much bout paint...how to achieve those really really smooth & matte wall finish? i was at McClients' Florist in SS2 (the corner house converted to florist opposite Old Taste Coffee) and their wall finish is surreal...very very smooth with no bumps what so ever...i first tot it must be some kind of plaster board cos its amazingly flat & smooth...but when i knocked on them (with my fist la, not hammer) i was surprised its actually concrete wall...perhaps someone is kind enough to just visit that place & then can advice how to actually achieve that effect? cos i dunno how to explain them in words...definitely cant take picture..even if can also wont be able to tell difference in photo...you need to feel it with your palms...even i try to explain to my reno contractor also he not able to understand...so far, that's the only place i know has got that really smooth & matte wall finish...
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Yes..paint is paint..but there are still some different grades and quality of paint..
For example, you painted half of your wall with a RM40 exterior wall Brand Unknown and the other half painted with RM 115 exterior paint Dulux W/Shield..Will they be the same? And MPM also, they asked other brand to produce paint for them. Maybe you need to know more about paint then only you'll understand how the quality varies..

You want to achieve smooth wall? Ask someone who is really experienced in scheme coating to scheme coat for you. Using USG to smoothen the wall. USG Scheme Coat is better than ASG..Maybe you should ask your reno contractor if they can get the superb smooth and flat wall you mentioned. That's only what I know about.


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post Jan 4 2010, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(cheezels21 @ Jan 4 2010, 03:36 PM)
Hi, anyone heard of Color Solutions from ICI? Anyone knows what's the price per litre for such custom-made colors? And of course, where to get good price?

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It depends on the color and product..
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post Jan 6 2010, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jan 6 2010, 02:31 PM)
hi all,

need advise.  my plaster ceiling work just completed two days ago.  no paint yet.  still waiting for it to dry up completely before start paint works.

i'm getting mixed advises from different ppl so far...to paint ceiling with

a) just Emulsion
b) Emulsion + 2 coat top coat paint (i plan to use ICI Pentalite)
c) 2 coat paint (ICI Pentalite) straight away

they say any one will give similar result.  but emulsion only, in layman term, is translated literally to 'dust-water' by contractor & hardware guy...sounds a bit bleak....

altho cost of emulsion, say Nippon Super Matex white is only RM60-70 per 20L can, what i'm concern most is the labor cost. Currently, my agreement with the reno contractor is he provides labor & i provide all the paints.  there's no mentioned how many coat of paint is included in the labor works.  If i take option B, i.e. emulsion + top coat, means there's gonna be 3 coat to the ceiling.  typically, labor is based on 2 coat works is it?  what are the pros & cons of option A-C?

also, another headache...my reno contractor tell me no need to apply any undercoat or primer for my walls, cos there's already a layer of paint there.  only need to apply at areas which was hacked & plastered back.

hardware guy tells me, to get the most out of paint, need to apply primer (maxilite, matex etc) all over, then only apply 2coats paint....only then will get the most of the paint, otherwise wont get the effect i wanted...colors wont stand out wor without primers & apparently, save more on actual paints if primers is used.

which guy telling the better truth? reno guy or hardware guy.  i need an advise from neutrals cos reno guy might wanna cut his labor cost (no need paint so many times) and hardware guy might be trying to sell me more paints....dunno wanna listen to who...

any helps? thanks!
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1. Just normal cheap emulsion will do..Unless you are very rich and wants the best of the best, then you can paint Pentalite on your ceiling..
Get the price of both 'fui-sui' and Pentalite..then compare both..you'll get the answer..and also normal 'fui-sui' is meant for ceiiling..

2. My answer will be both are wrong..
Contractor asked you not to apply primer because he wants to save time and works IMO..
And hardware guy, maybe that guy is more to hardware stuffs, so he might not be very familiar with paint..
If you want the best result, go for solvent-based sealer..tell the hardware guy "I want sealer la, not dust 'fui-sui' water la"..
All those Matex, Maxilite, Jotaplast, Koreton Plus all also cheap emulsion paint and is meant for painting ceiling..

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post Jan 7 2010, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jan 7 2010, 10:54 AM)
finally, a sensible answer...i've just decided, for ceiling will apply 2 coats of emulsion..which is better? I believe its either Matex by Nippon or Maxilite by Dulux..

For walls..when going thru dulux catalog they recommend a kind of sealer for walls...i think i will go with that raher than emulsion...like u say which are meant fot ceiling more...i've also managed to get confirmation from my reno guy he will paint 1 coat primer & 2 coat paint...

Now going OT a little bit but still related to paint...i'm planning to install laminated flooring for my floors...and when i spoke to the flooring contractor he recommends that flooring works goes in before final paint works...they scared walls will be scratched during their installation works..

My reno guy however tells me the painting works will be quite dirty...so scared will damage the flooring...also since thy will put in protective plastics before start paint works, they will need to remove it for flooring works then put it back again for final paint works...

A little bit headache...the floor guy seems quite certain that his work will cause damages to walls.

Anyone with experience?mind share what is the best way to go about it?
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Good to hear that you finally made the right choice..

Actually, to be frank with you, I wouldn't recommend ICI Dulux's primer or sealer to others because Dulux's sealers and primers are the most expensive..1 can of 5L will cost you rm 8x-9x but others only rm 5x-7x and 20L ICI costs 2xx-3xx whereas others costs 1xx-3xx...
My recommendation will be Sissons or Jotun..

usually they will do the flooring first, then only paint right?
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post Jan 7 2010, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Jan 7 2010, 09:23 PM)
Don't let those contractor bXXl SxxxT you, every one also want the easiest way to work.  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

ask the painter to paint the sealer & 1st coat of finish coat first, then ask the flooring guy to proceed & protect, last is the painter paint the final coat. the flooring guy come back to fix the skirting. each of them take half of the risk

of course you have to warn the flooring guy not to chin chai chin chai damage your wall lar, minor scratches shouldn't be any problem for the painter. on the other hand, tell the painter to be carefull on the finish floor, else they may pour whole drum of paint on the floor...... shakehead.gif  doh.gif  rclxub.gif  cry.gif
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yes..i think this is one of the best ways..
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post May 9 2010, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(antzan @ Apr 30 2010, 08:56 PM)
heard all paint price increase after 1st May....sad.gif
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some 1st april and some 1st may..
and some are yet to increase their price..


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QUOTE(blasto @ Apr 28 2010, 01:44 AM)
Thanks bro, well said, I will never use federal paint again. Want cheap got poor quality.

At this moment I am planning to get 3-5 cans Nippon 5L satin glow.
Can please recommend where can get cheap in PJ area ?

I went to PJ old town bus stop upper part, same row as UOB & Maybank.

& Kindly advise how is Dulux quality ?
Is their paint semi gloss like Nippon satin glow ?
Is Dulux light & space effective making the area more spacy, is it semi gloss also ?  Never use dulux before lah. TQ  icon_rolleyes.gif
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bro, not sure bout where to get..

dulux light&space is effective in making your area look spacier because all their colours are light colours and yeah it shines...but it's too pricey..

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post May 16 2010, 02:50 PM

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It depends on which brand...KCC increased by RM5 and only for some products..

Sealer go for any brand also can..Dulux is the most expensive among the top brands...
but make sure you're not getting those cheap sealer like RM3x a can..
and if you want quality, try not to buy basecoat sealer and other cheap sealers that is meant for projects..
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post Nov 24 2010, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Nov 1 2010, 01:55 AM)
Hi guys, my rented house now look like shit. Thinking of repaint it as i will be moving in for own stay.

Can i use Matex white colour to paint the whole house first and then use Jotun Strax to paint on the colours?

Matex is the cheap one. RM60+ for big tong, 18 liters i think.
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Nov 21 2010, 08:42 PM)
Why paint Matex, then paint Jotun Strax?
You should only use either one. Apply 2 coats will do.

Word of advice. Make sure that the existing surface is not powdery. Else it will be a waste of your paint, even if you use Jotun Strax
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Yeah, should not paint Matex then Strax. It's either you use sealer before painting Strax or straight away hantam Strax on your wall. Yeah. agree with kelvyn. make sure that your wall is not powdery/chalky.
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post Oct 23 2011, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(jeffwmy @ Sep 26 2011, 07:50 PM)
Hi, I need help from sifu sifu here. I wish to paint my master bedroom but I dunno which paint i shld buy. Since i choose to use ICI product, I hope sifu sifu here can help me to solve some of my confusion here...

1. what ICI paint to use for plaster ceiling? (maxilite or pentalite classic or pentalite easyclean) ?

2. Do i need to sealer/primer the plaster ceiling 1st before painting? If yes, which product shld i used? (Dulux Alkali Resisting Interior Wall Sealer or Dulux Adhesion Promoting Interior Wall Primer or Glidden Wall Sealer 368)

3. what ICI paint to use for wall?  (pentalite classic or pentalite easyclean) ?

4. Do i need to sealer/primer the wall 1st before painting? If yes, which product shld i used? (Dulux Alkali Resisting Interior Wall Sealer or Dulux Adhesion Promoting Interior Wall Primer or Glidden Wall Sealer 368)

5. what paint shld i used for the door wooden door/window frame/door frame ?
Hope sifu sifu here can guide me thru!!!

Thxs!!!
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1. Maxilite will do for ceiling. No primer needed. Pentalite will be too costly for you.

3. For wall, Pentalite is recommended. P/Glo will make the unevenness of your wall obvious since it is shiny-type.

4. Depending on the condition of your wall. Sealer is recommended in most cases.

5. Gloss paint.

QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 3 2011, 12:02 AM)
Guys! Question. Sealer = "Sui Chat" in canton?
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Sui Chat means water-based paint. Sealer/Primer is yeok sui(Direct translation: Medicine)

QUOTE(WiseMan4rmHell @ Oct 3 2011, 12:30 AM)
is there any juton suppliers in LYF ? i wan buy juton majestic optima.

also mr.paintman  paint  quality ok ar is it good as the shop people claim?
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Mind sharing why did you choose Optima?

Mr. Paint Man. Why some of the paint shops are hard-selling MPM? Reason is they get more benefit from selling other paint. Something like they co-own this company.
And about the quality, they previously/still assigning another company to produce the paint for them. I'm not really sure whether MPM have their own production-factory now. But they did source the paint from outside and repack it as MPM. And it comes in 4.5L which is 10% less.
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post Oct 27 2011, 07:37 PM

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RM 82 is quite a good deal already. Not sure if some others are selling at a lower price though.

 

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