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leong2084
post Jul 7 2010, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(jamestan_85 @ Jul 7 2010, 01:34 PM)
But if you use tangki water is not 100% aged right? cuz just say your tangki water is 1m cube can just take your bath in the morning and use 200 liters or water....means your tangki will be filled with 200 liters of new water..... meaning not 100% aged water right?

I would like to get a Red arowana too....and a cross back but no $$
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lol its 100% aged ler....its definitely more aged than i take direct from the main pipe water outside....

when i take bath the water is from the tap water direct...not from the danki water biggrin.gif

there are only 2 pipes connected to this danki water source (middle upper toilet = the one i use) and master bedroom toilet....and barely anyone uses the danki water storage in my house besides me for my fish wc laugh.gif

also my danki water is like i think is about 1800L of water so there's plenty of aged water

of course it wud be safer to have 100% guaranteed aged water where you are in direct control of it and able to observe it too, but u will need to have a separate tank for that...

unfortunately i have neither the money nor space to do so.....so my danki water tank is good enuf for me tongue.gif its been doing fine for 2 years and my fish have never gotten chlorine poisoning
so its absolutely no issues for me

unless you have your tank outside where you can have 3ple tier tanks (upper tank for aging water, middle for your aro, bottom for sump). But i want my aro in my bedroom so that is of course a nono..
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post Jul 7 2010, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(se_eugene @ Jul 7 2010, 03:14 PM)
i dont think my frd is selling cheaper.. golden head aka kim tao for 3400 3.5 inch.. is it consider cheap?
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It's not cheap, unless he can confirm that piece can turn into GH. biggrin.gif But I believe, that is the market price for now.

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post Jul 7 2010, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(se_eugene @ Jul 6 2010, 11:37 PM)
guys, i got a question.. how do we rank the arowanas? like which types from the most expensive 1 to the most cheaper 1?
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if u want some fact prices..i can give u the latest that i've seen out there..hehe
below are prices of pure breed aro..what i mean pure breed is they are not specially crossbreeded..
Gold head(extreme quality xback) rm4500++
xback gold/malaysia golden rm3500++
xback golden bluebase rm4000++
superhighback + - rm2500
highback + - rm1800
super red rm1800
chilli red/blood red rm2500 + -
special crossbreed aro..are like rainbow aro, RTG, violet aro..so far these are the few special crossbreed aro that i've seen so far..RTG the prices is so so la..but those like rainbow, violet, @@..crazy..coz they crossbreeded em, and chances are not all fries will turn out to be like rainbow aro, etc...they could fade colour or so and turn back to pure breed aro...

QUOTE(Frenly @ Jul 7 2010, 02:13 PM)
Bro,

the person in charge of the farm will take care the aro as u pay them monthly rm 800 -
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this one a, better be careful i tell u..if u never go check regularly, they will cheat on u...the fries they take themselves and will keep inform ya that ur aro tak laku...a few of my relatives kena before, not on arowanas farm..but plantation..same method, u buy seed, u pay em, they help u take care,..the first few months, they will divide the profit with ya, then later on, their trick starts..they will eat all later on..even a fren of mine, he did for fish farm..not arowana la..he tot wanna breed for supplying fishes to restaurant..end up, being eat up kao kao..
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post Jul 7 2010, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(leong2084 @ Jul 7 2010, 03:24 PM)
lol its 100% aged ler....its definitely more aged than i take direct from the main pipe water outside....

when i take bath the water is from the tap water direct...not from the danki water biggrin.gif

there are only 2 pipes connected to this danki water source (middle upper toilet = the one i use) and master bedroom toilet....and barely anyone uses the danki water storage in my house besides me for my fish wc  laugh.gif

also my danki water is like i think is about 1800L of water so there's plenty of aged water

of course it wud be safer to have 100% guaranteed aged water where you are in direct control of it and able to observe it too, but u will need to have a separate tank for that...

unfortunately i have neither the money nor space to do so.....so my danki water tank is good enuf for me tongue.gif its been doing fine for 2 years and my fish have never gotten chlorine poisoning
so its absolutely no issues for me

unless you have your tank outside where you can have 3ple tier tanks (upper tank for aging water, middle for your aro, bottom for sump). But i want my aro in my bedroom so that is of course a nono..
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inb4 he ask question what is danki water like i do, let me clarify..danki water=tangki air rumah tongue.gif


like i do before...i used to fill this kind of plastic bucket that i put it outside of my house (in the garage)..that water came from direct house pipe, so the water aged before doing water change

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then after i remove the water (50%) and after that i will use this bucket to take water from above bucket

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yeah a little bit of tiring doing it, but if you are afraid then why not, precaution step tongue.gif

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post Jul 7 2010, 03:44 PM

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the frequent wc, i strongly agreed with that, i been doing ws on alternate days..and my gold is growing rapidly....almost a month here..it grows about an inch bigger edi..hehe..since i got sump..i been stopped the sump from circulating to the fish tank..sump tank cycle back in sump tank..so, when i change water, i will draw out 10%-20% water out..then only i pump the water from sump tank into fish tank..the water that are being drawn out will be discard..then, new water will be added into sump tank, liquid and stuff added..and let it cycle a day before doing it again..hehe...do works..but thats a lots of work to do..will take some picture and show u guys tonight,,


Added on July 7, 2010, 3:48 pm3500 for 3.5inch..my god really an inch equalling a thousand..sweats..but if wanna get gh better get those that can see the shine edi le..for 4.5k u can get one with full head shine..


Added on July 7, 2010, 3:53 pm3500 for 3.5inch..my god really an inch equalling a thousand..sweats..but if wanna get gh better get those that can see the shine edi le..for 4.5k u can get one with full head shine..

This post has been edited by leggedy: Jul 7 2010, 03:53 PM
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post Jul 7 2010, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(helangkawi @ Jul 7 2010, 03:41 PM)
inb4 he ask question what is danki water like i do, let me clarify..danki water=tangki air rumah tongue.gif
like i do before...i used to fill this kind of plastic bucket that i put it outside of my house (in the garage)..that water came from direct house pipe, so the water aged before doing water change

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then after i remove the water (50%) and after that i will use this bucket to take water from above bucket

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

yeah a little bit of tiring doing it, but if you are afraid then why not, precaution step tongue.gif
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Why not put a pump in that tong. Better than carry the bucket right? smile.gif

This post has been edited by saif_bear: Jul 7 2010, 04:17 PM
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post Jul 7 2010, 04:40 PM

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haha.. my frd say those pearl already out.. i dono la, i just listen him say oni~ didn intend to buy such expensive fish oso~
btw.. is highback not regconize? cos i look into all book, they hardly mention about hb 1..

imo, these investment are like new kind of mlm.. island red cafe~ hahah~ jkjk
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post Jul 7 2010, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(saif_bear @ Jul 7 2010, 04:16 PM)
Why not put a pump in that tong. Better than carry the bucket right? smile.gif
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that tong i filled with direct water from pipe (really high chlorine level), so that one just for WC only...err, pump in that tong? dun understand..pump direct to tank?

QUOTE(se_eugene @ Jul 7 2010, 04:40 PM)
haha.. my frd say those pearl already out.. i dono la, i just listen him say oni~ didn intend to buy such expensive fish oso~
btw.. is highback not regconize? cos i look into all book, they hardly mention about hb 1..

imo, these investment are like new kind of mlm.. island red cafe~ hahah~ jkjk
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well...i must say, it is not about intense to buy an expensive fish, it's about the beauty of arowana...how they swim, how they turn, how the move slowly inside the aquarium..really elegance..no matter what type it is, silver,pearl,black,yellow,green,red,gold it still looks elegance

that investment plan is not alike MLM...just be careful with agent you registered to, if the agent runaway, then you die
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post Jul 7 2010, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(leggedy @ Jul 7 2010, 03:44 PM)
the frequent wc, i strongly agreed with that, i been doing ws on alternate days..and my gold is growing rapidly....almost a month here..it grows about an inch bigger edi..hehe..since i got sump..i been stopped the sump from circulating to the fish tank..sump tank cycle back in sump tank..so, when i change water, i will draw out 10%-20% water out..then only i pump the water from sump tank into fish tank..the water that are being drawn out will be discard..then, new water will be added into sump tank, liquid and stuff added..and let it cycle a day before doing it again..hehe...do works..but thats a lots of work to do..will take some picture and show u guys tonight,,


Added on July 7, 2010, 3:48 pm3500 for 3.5inch..my god really an inch equalling a thousand..sweats..but if wanna get gh better get those that can see the shine edi le..for 4.5k u can get one with full head shine..


Added on July 7, 2010, 3:53 pm3500 for 3.5inch..my god really an inch equalling a thousand..sweats..but if wanna get gh better get those that can see the shine edi le..for 4.5k u can get one with full head shine..
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experiment done shows tat frequent water changes are good for fishes. duh~ but the experiment was do 100% wc in a tank where an oscar has 10gallon of space to swim and 25% of wc in a tank where oscar has also 10gallon space. Awesomely(no other words to use ><) the oscar in the first 10gallon tank can grow fine and not suffer stunted growth so early..


Added on July 7, 2010, 9:37 pm
QUOTE(leggedy @ Jul 7 2010, 03:38 PM)
if u want some fact prices..i can give u the latest that i've seen out there..hehe
below are prices of pure breed aro..what i mean pure breed is they are not specially crossbreeded..
Gold head(extreme quality xback)    rm4500++
xback gold/malaysia golden            rm3500++
xback golden bluebase                    rm4000++
superhighback                              + - rm2500
highback                                      + -  rm1800
super red                                    rm1800
chilli red/blood red                      rm2500 + -
special crossbreed aro..are like rainbow aro, RTG, violet aro..so far these are the few special crossbreed aro that i've seen so far..RTG the prices is so so la..but those like rainbow, violet, @@..crazy..coz they crossbreeded em, and chances are not all fries will turn out to be like rainbow aro, etc...they could fade colour or so and turn back to pure breed aro...
this one a, better be careful i tell u..if u never go check regularly, they will cheat on u...the fries they take themselves and will keep inform ya that ur aro tak laku...a few of my relatives kena before, not on arowanas farm..but plantation..same method, u buy seed, u pay em, they help u take care,..the first few months, they will divide the profit with ya, then later on, their trick starts..they will eat all later on..even a fren of mine, he did for fish farm..not arowana la..he tot wanna breed for supplying fishes to restaurant..end up, being eat up kao kao..
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hey can i use the price list for V5? credits to u smile.gif

This post has been edited by BenSow: Jul 7 2010, 09:37 PM
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post Jul 7 2010, 09:45 PM

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to all bro here whr i can buy this product biohome plus?


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post Jul 7 2010, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(se_eugene @ Jul 7 2010, 04:40 PM)
haha.. my frd say those pearl already out.. i dono la, i just listen him say oni~ didn intend to buy such expensive fish oso~
btw.. is highback not regconize? cos i look into all book, they hardly mention about hb 1..

imo, these investment are like new kind of mlm.. island red cafe~ hahah~ jkjk
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u know why, coz highback, super highback...xback...all are same fish... all is golden arowana..jz the quality differ...highback the scale level will reach level5, super highback will reach slightly higher...xback is the back scale all also got shine lo, jz head part there dun have...then gold head, whole arowana with full shine, head, back, all shine...they are the same aro..golden aro..
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QUOTE(leggedy @ Jul 7 2010, 10:39 PM)
u know why, coz highback, super highback...xback...all are same fish... all is golden arowana..jz the quality differ...highback the scale level will reach level5, super highback will reach slightly higher...xback is the back scale all also got shine lo, jz head part there dun have...then gold head, whole arowana with full shine, head, back, all shine...they are the same aro..golden aro..
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Sorry bro. Can't agree with you. Yes, it's all golden. But the species are different. Back to the origin. RTG is originally from Indonesia n MG aka XB is from Malaysia. smile.gif What I love most with XB is the unique gold tone and the pearls (chu). This 2 things you can't find it on Highback. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(se_eugene @ Jul 7 2010, 04:40 PM)
haha.. my frd say those pearl already out.. i dono la, i just listen him say oni~ didn intend to buy such expensive fish oso~
btw.. is highback not regconize? cos i look into all book, they hardly mention about hb 1..

imo, these investment are like new kind of mlm.. island red cafe~ hahah~ jkjk
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my neighbor's fren owns that chain of restaurant...
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post Jul 7 2010, 11:02 PM

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yea, what u said is true...i did mention about this on about post..hehe~
RTG is a crossbreed..and not from MY...RTG not considered under MG there edi...


Added on July 7, 2010, 11:09 pm
QUOTE(BenSow @ Jul 7 2010, 09:36 PM)
experiment done shows tat frequent water changes are good for fishes. duh~ but the experiment was do 100% wc in a tank where an oscar has 10gallon of space to swim and 25% of wc in a tank where oscar has also 10gallon space. Awesomely(no other words to use ><) the oscar in the first 10gallon tank can grow fine and not suffer stunted growth so early..


Added on July 7, 2010, 9:37 pm

hey can i use the price list for V5? credits to u smile.gif
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no no..dun use this price list...they changed from time to time..

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post Jul 8 2010, 01:08 AM

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wc 100%....mmm...more like 80% wc (impossible for 100% cuz u will not have any place to put aro unless u wana keep bagging it everytime you wana do wc lol)

....imo...do not go for that unless you have a spare tank or large enough container to house water for aging and conditioning...

remember this, aro's are very hardy fishes....but the one thing its very vulnerable to and 2nd highest reasons for aro death is "PH SHOCK"

and also in the case of doing 80% wc, in the tank where you are keeping the aging water to be conditioned ....it also needs to have 'strong aeration' ....the water needs to be as aerated as much as possible cuz if you wana jump to that huge a wc, the fish will not be able to extract the oxygen fast enuf and can likely suffocate to death...

other than that is the massive temperature change...do condition the water to be at the same temperature...least likely in normal 20-30% wc but very likely in this 80% huge amt of water change


just my 2 cents on the precautions of performing this so called 100% wc (more like 80%, its illogical to have 100%)



to my experience...most ppl say this like its so easy but funny enough not much dare to really do it...


Added on July 8, 2010, 1:21 amas for those arowana breeding biz....and all the mlm conspiracy stuff...

in my opinion, unless you are already wealthy and have a lot of experience running businesses...and plz note...i meant "Businesses" (Many....as in multi tasking one biz with others)

dont bother to go venturing into it...tho passion is there, there are too much ppl i've known who have invested and lost their money...

too easy to cheat...

if you really wana go into the biz of aro breeding....first...be able to sustain yourself comfortably without the need to have to work...as in...you already have enough passive income to give you a comfortable (to your expected level) life....

then for the extra money you have only then u should invest into this kinda business....cuz thats what this biz is....absolutely wealthy to the point u can sustain losses from year to year till the business picks up....this aint those fast paced biz where ppl think that every batch of fries they hatch will successfully live

those established farms make it look so easy cuz they are very very experienced, they know the harvest time down to the minute...not just the day...
and also if you know those experts well enough, they will tell you that when they first started many long long years ago the first few years they had many unsuccessful hatchlings where practically almost 1/2 the stock of fries died and they took damn long to recover the initial investment...which believe me...can go up to millions...

...just ask yourself...are you able to 'currently' live with having to loose rm100-500k per year and not feel damn depressed and give up on it from year to year and be so heart strong to be able to keep funding till the biz really kicks in...lol

if you can....plz let me know...i'm interested to assist biggrin.gif

well..thats my way to put the 'realism' into all this aro breeding biz...

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QUOTE(helangkawi @ Jul 7 2010, 09:23 PM)
that tong i filled with direct water from pipe (really high chlorine level), so that one just for WC only...err, pump in that tong? dun understand..pump direct to tank?

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Yeap. Use the water pump to transfer the aged water from blue tong into the tank. Much easier right.

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post Jul 8 2010, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(saif_bear @ Jul 8 2010, 03:51 AM)
Yeap. Use the water pump to transfer the aged water from blue tong into the tank. Much easier right.
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err..that water pump i don't have lor
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Since Spain won this morning i would like to share my adopted goldie from a friend about nearly 2 month ago....

Size is about 10-11 inch
Gene suppose to be a MG

I adopt this piece as last time in my friend custody it had grill curl, breathing heavy and poor appetite... after almost 2 month with me the problem all gone now..... so now it's swimming and eat well....

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post Jul 8 2010, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(wmkr @ Jul 8 2010, 08:44 AM)
Since Spain won this morning i would like to share my adopted goldie from a friend about nearly 2 month ago....

Size is about 10-11 inch
Gene suppose to be a MG

I adopt this piece as last time in my friend custody it had grill curl, breathing heavy and poor appetite... after almost 2 month with me the problem all gone now..... so now it's swimming and eat well....

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Lovely piece bro! Love the gold tone and dark base scale. Yes it has MG gene. But missing the pearl. Late developer maybe?..
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now already near to 3 weeks since i get my baby 2.5" yellow tail..

now it is about 4" and looking good, have a great appetite also...3 meal per day, 4-5 crickets per meal

now i am thinking, becoz of it getting bigger, the waste from it also getting bigger (i mean the fish shit)

so before this, becoz of the size is small, i am afraid to use power head water pump, coz afraid that little guy kenot tahan by the water pulling force

so wanna ask from you guys opinion, should i get a power head now? my aquarium is 2ftx1ft, and i can't put filter box/media box because of there is no space for it

would you guys advice which kind of power head should i get now?

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