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baliwesti
post Dec 10 2009, 10:28 AM

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All P1Wimax users,

P1 is so faithful in sending out SMS when it comes to payment, suspension of service and stuff. Never falters. Even send email along with it.

Staring this month, they implemented/change the Fair Usage Policy in 2 ways:

1. No longer resetting on the 1st of the month, instead resets on your bill cycle.
2. They no longer include that 400kbps/150kbps guarantee when you get throttled. Basically you're damned if you push the limit as they can throttle you to 1kbps for all they care.


I have been arguing with their support that:

1. The change should have been communicated to the subscribers, even in the last bill it should have been there or in the Announcement section in their website. I was demanding they still reset the usages last December 1, but to no avail.
2. The online version of the FUP was not updated until today (when my changedetection.com alert script on the support faq page went off)


Now P1, stealthily changing your FUP -- when the FUP is like one of the most important policy that determines the experience of your users, is this the way to go for your company?

Attaching details of the FUP they changed to this post. Hopefully someone with some brains from P1 can answer me.

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Added on December 10, 2009, 10:37 am
QUOTE(Channel84 @ Dec 9 2009, 03:22 AM)
my account number is 101123065. I've made my complain bout the slow internet speed to the helpline but they wasn't very pleasant and helpful. i used up my 20gb limit but the problem is my speed should be throttle to around 400kbps download speed right? instead i'm having 50 - 90kbps on 10-20 speed test i did on p1 website today. Before this my speed was ok....ussually i stream video online until i reach my limit then i play online game with the throttle speed, but now i can't even open a webpage. Unless u guys can fix my issue else i demand a void of contract and termination of service without any obligation cos on ur web say for 1.2mbps package will throttle speed till 400kbps only. I hate the 20gb limit but i respect it, i can get better deal with tmnet streamyx but i choose to support p1 because i want to support a new company into the broadband scene in malaysia, please do not let me down.
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You're out of luck. They just changed their FUP, but without informing their users. The new throttled is speed any value P1 may choose. They removed that 400kbps/150kbps clause in their FUP.

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post Dec 10 2009, 11:19 AM

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... anyone here complain and then get a call from P1, but still get no resolution? Did you get a survey afterwards? I'm starting to notice that they only seem to give out that survey after a call/email when they are able to attend to your needs or if the interaction was positive on their end. Need more P1 users to confirm if they get that P1 Customer satisfaction survey thingie.
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post Dec 10 2009, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(littleman @ Dec 10 2009, 02:17 PM)
P1 Rep, why are you ignoring some of the post regarding the FUP issue?
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yeah wondering why.. don't worry though got a complaint lodged at cfm, for their last email to me was:

"Notification will not be send but amendments are done in P1 Website.

If you have exceeded the FUP, you might notice slower speeds, especially during peak hours. The exceeded speeds are dynamically managed by the network."

Good luck on the dynamically part.

Just in case anyone is wondering, there's a clause in this website (assuming all ISPs adhere to this rules) http://cfm.org.my/internet-access-code-0#2-3
See section 3.5 and read it (since the web site says no copying, etc)


Added on December 10, 2009, 7:20 pm
QUOTE(InSeanity @ Dec 10 2009, 03:24 PM)
Just received another call from P1. The lady said the reason for my tanked speed is due to me exceeding the fair usage threshold and told me to wait until the 14th again. I am only getting 10kbps download speed, for f***'s sake! I can't browse the net anymore, I can't check my e-mail, getting to this forum takes ages. She said the slow speed is due to "best effort". Her response made me seethe with rage.

When I demanded a solution, she told me to upgrade to the 40GB package. And when I said I want to terminate because of the void of contract, she reminded me of the f***ing RM999 fine hanging over my head. She speaks so nonchalantly as though I owe her shit.

So basically everything is my goddamn fault now is it? More than a week of pain and all I get are bullshit textbook answers.

I really regret subscribing to this phony hack of a service.

f*** you P1. Seriously, f*** you.
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Do not. I daresay, subscribe to the 40Gb package. Basically if you exceed the 40Gb, you're with the rest of the gang (even those paying only 99RM per month). You only pay 100RM for the additional speed and the 20Gb additional. If you go over the limit, they do not treat you like you're paying 199RM per month.

Anyone notice P1 doesn't have any promotions for existing subscribers other than that auto-payment thingie (which in essence they, as a company, will benefit more).


Added on December 10, 2009, 7:22 pm
QUOTE(nvidiatnt2 @ Dec 10 2009, 04:44 PM)
I would suggest that you dont pay, and start subcribing streamyx or any other broadband. Let them chase you instead!.

If P1 brings you to court, you should explain violation of agreement made by P1, such as 10Kps speed whereby FUP clearly indicate it capped to 400KPS. Keep TC Agreements and the screenshots of speedtest as evidence!. If would be best if you can tape the lady's conversations as a proof that this is an unfair practice of FUP policy which has been violated by P1.
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The problem is that they stealthily changed their FUP, starting this month.


Added on December 10, 2009, 7:23 pm
QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ Dec 10 2009, 05:08 PM)
Im still waiting for them to change back the FUP system,if they not changing it by next month,im not gonna pay my bill and gonna bring this case to court where they changing their policies as they like.
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If you need some reference this is the exact time their website changed:

https://www.changedetection.com/log/my/com/...rt_faq_log.html



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post Dec 11 2009, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(ghost705 @ Dec 10 2009, 10:49 PM)
=.= today i receive an unknown call from P1 those told me due to my billing record are great,they will send me a free Wiggy Starter Kit 4GB(with modem) for 90 day period on this saturday.  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  rclxub.gif still thinking izzit a joke or ...? =.=
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Meaning: Hey, you pay on time, why not increase the money we get from you every month then? (unless that's a prepaid one)
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post Dec 12 2009, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Channel84 @ Dec 12 2009, 09:19 AM)
http://www.cfm.org.my/

Seeing all the evident posted about p1 ninjaing the FUP i submited a official complain to cfm and i hope that all those affected by the new FUP policy please spare some time and do it too...together maybe we can make a difference. I call for void of the 2 year contract due to breach of trust regarding the FUP. I also provided my speed test and evident of p1 ninjaing the FUP noted by other lowyat user.

Please spare 10 minute to do a proper complain and exercise our consumer right
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yeah already got cfm complaint for them a couple days back. all P1 users should start filling in an official complaint!


Added on December 12, 2009, 1:51 pm
QUOTE(James_yka @ Dec 12 2009, 12:02 PM)
I know why they capped us at 100kbps... cos they dun want us to lodge a report at CFM...
I couldnt load CFM properly for an hour... they are so cunning...
Im just curious, is the anyone here that got their Fair Usage reset at the beginning of the Month ?
If nobody got it, then this doesnt even justify whether its a heavy or light user.
Everyone just got f***ed up...

Or only the heavy user didnt get the reset. anyone can fill in ?
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Reset wasn't done on December 1, it was done when your statement date happened, in my case it was reset last Nov. 28.

How many posts have come and go about this "stealth" change to the FUP and still the official P1 Wimax poster doesn't seem to be reading it. maybe the post got invisible ink or something. Makes you froth in the mouth, the way P1 handled this situation.

Anyway, suggest you guys get copies of their terms from the website regularly too. Who knows they might stealthily change that as well.



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post Dec 12 2009, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:01 PM)
Any news on this? actually p1 did nothing wrong, they state there, there reserved the right to control your speed..black and white.
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The complaint status is currently at Pending "Provider Acknowledged". I think they have until Dec. 15 to reply.

Yeah they have that right and they said it in their FUP which can be found online.

But what they did wrong was (and again i'm repeating myself here) that they changed the policy without informing the subscribers who are under the said policy. There is a code in the cfm website regarding policy changes (see my previous posts) which makes me all the more convinced P1 did something wrong here. Add to that the reply of the customer representative they have that "No notification will be made", makes you wonder -- why keep this change a secret? Afraid of the possible feedback from the subscribers, perhaps?

Add to that, removing the 400kbps/150kbps speed limit they have for the throttled ones under the FUP, and saying that the speed will be dynamically determined by the network if the user reach his limit. Who can stop let's say 1000 irate P1 users from grouping up and connecting to just 1 base station to see how that "dynamically" part is being determined.


Oh and btw, i'm not yet throttled for this month, and this is not the source of my rage at P1.

Just be "fair" to your subscribers and not keep them in the dark of this change to your "Fair" Usage Policy and i'll "probably" pipe down.

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post Dec 13 2009, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Dec 12 2009, 08:21 PM)
Can P1 do this like Celcom??
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Now I'm still downloadoing at 300-400kbps  thumbup.gif
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actually, P1 can achieve that speed. Just don't reach the limit otherwise you get 1kbps/1kbps download/upload. haha!
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and oh, get ripped off for 199RM you can get the same as the pic i attached above. lolz

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post Dec 13 2009, 04:57 PM

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*lost for words* ohmy.gif

anything FUP related seems to be taboo and is ignored anywhere by P1. or maybe we need to directly ask P1 a question here.


Let's try that.


Hi P1,

I've been a P1 subscriber since January, this month the usages didn't reset on December 1? Is there something wrong with my account? My account number is: 100819747.


Thanks ya rclxub.gif
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post Dec 13 2009, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Lowyat_P1W1MAX @ Dec 13 2009, 05:13 PM)
Hey Buddy  smile.gif

We do understand your frustration. First of all, please allow us to apologies for any inconvenience caused. And the limitation is only for 'temporary'.

The FUP-reduced speed will return to your subscribed speed when your next billing cycle starts. In this case, either 14th or 28th of the month depending on your billing cycle. Fair Usage policy and the reduced speeds are managed dynamically by the network in order to ensure overall good customer experience and allows P1 to offer the best service at an affordable price.

The Fair Usage policy is enforced such that the speeds are adjusted dynamically depending a few factors, including but not limited to, (1) existing customer traffic; (2) fairness among all subscribers; (3) network utilization; (4) traffic management.

We assure you that we are working around the clock to provide additional capacity to cater for the increase in the number of subscribers as soon as possible.  nod.gif

We will do our utmost to resolve this situation as soon as possible and will continue to update you on the progress of our network capacity expansion. In the meantime, we seek your patience and understanding. As our valued subscriber we truly appreciate your continued support.  notworthy.gif

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,  laugh.gif
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is this "Buddy" supposed to be me? thanks for the reply.

answer this: Why did you keep your subscribers in the dark(no email/sms sent) of the changes to the FUP or didn't provide any grace period for the change? And what can you say about section 3.5 in this page: http://cfm.org.my/internet-access-code-0#2-3 ?

i will be looking out for that "network capacity expansion" updates you are saying up there.

EDIT: Got into a chat facility you had at p1.com.my and the one manning the chat said you posted an announcement in your website on nov. 1. so had to revise my question.

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post Dec 14 2009, 05:22 PM

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Hmm.. I got a call from someone (I think his name was Ronnie, I am poor with names) from P1 regarding the FUP and from what I got from the call was that they are somewhat returning the 400kbps/150kbps throttled speed but only for old subscribers like me. Still waiting for the email I asked him to send me before ending the call though, once I get it I will share it with all those in this post. rclxms.gif

Temporary kudos to P1 for resolving this one rclxms.gif (will be permanent once I get that email and the website is changed.. and for crying out loud inform your subscribers lah)
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post Dec 15 2009, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(jenwww @ Dec 14 2009, 06:47 PM)
how long have u subcribe? half year count old subcriber?

btw now my speed 2x faster then yesterday
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i've been with P1 for almost a year now. still waiting for the email before i truly believe what the guy told me over the phone .

i'm guessing new subscribers would be those who signed up this december so old one would be before december? just my guess though. haven't reached my fup so don't have the means to check if the speed is back to 400kbps/150kbps.
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post Dec 15 2009, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Lowyat_P1W1MAX @ Dec 15 2009, 09:55 AM)
To our beloved customers  laugh.gif

I am happy to hear that you had received your normal speed back to normal. Firstly, I would like to pass through my sincere apology with the issues you are facing previously. I would to like to inform regarding the FUP for all throttled customers.

Understand there have been a lot of complaints from customers on FUP, 100 kbps (UL/DL). We have decided to revert FUP speed 400kbps DL/150kbps UL effective from 15 Dec 09 onwards.  nod.gif

To answer all those questions from you  :

1. Why do you throttle customers down to 100kpbs?
P1 has a Fair Usage Policy to ensure best experience and fairness among all subscribers. P1 is committed to ensuring our customers receive the best broadband performance at a competitive price. To achieve this goal we provide a contended broadband service. This means our Internet bandwidth is shared with all users at any one point in time. Certain extremely heavy users have used excessively and impacted other users. As a result, this policy identifies those users and manages their bandwidth only, to protect the service for all of our customers. In general, the reduced speed is dynamically adjusted based on a few factors, including the subscriber location, network load conditions, simultaneous subscriber access, hour of the day (Peak hour / off Peak hour), and etc. This dynamic automation allows the P1 network to provide the best experience and be able to share more cost effectively without negatively affecting all subscribers. When network load is high at certain locations, the users who exceeded Fair Usage threshold will get reduced speeds due to dynamic traffic prioritization.

2. Why didn’t you communicate to all P1 subscribers on your new policy? I was informed by your Sales person, if I’m throttled my speed would be 400kpbs (D/L) and 150kpbs (U/L). This is unfair.
Fair Usage Policy is not a new policy. This has been stated on the T&C and the Fair Usage thresholds are explicitly listed on the marketing brochure.

3. How long is this new FUP (throttle to 100kbps) going to last?
In general, the reduced speed is dynamically adjusted based on a few factors, including the subscriber location, network load conditions, simultaneous subscriber access, hour of the day (Peak hour / off Peak hour), and etc. This dynamic automation allows the P1 network to provide the best experience and be able to share more cost effectively without negatively affecting all subscribers. For this 100kbps restriction once users exceed Fair Usage threshold, this was a temporary measure to ensure traffic prioritization among all users. This restriction is no longer applicable after 15/12/2009. 

4. Do you have any plans to return to your old FUP policy (400kpbs and 150kpbs)? When?
By Tuesday (15/12/2009), the previous reduced speed values have been restored 

I would like to express my great 'appreciation' to all of you for your kind feedbacks and complaints previously. We understand that the service may, at times, be not consistent and we convey our apologies for this. As a company that has your best interest at heart, we are working around the clock to ensure that a consistently high level of service excellence is delivered to you.  notworthy.gif
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ey i've been meaning to ask this (and have asked this a loooong time back), as cellphone providers provide a schedule on which is PEAK and which is OFF PEAK. what are the schedule of P1 regarding PEAK / OFF PEAK hours? (or isit dynamically determined biggrin.gif )

and yeah the fair usage policy is not new, just the change recently is new and caught most of the subscribers off guard... (i think i say this for most of the subscribers) we would appreciate it if the same diligence P1 is exuding in reminding people of their payments via email be done also when it comes to service disruptions/policy changes. only a wish though. been saying this since a couple of months back.

also make your announcement page an RSS Feed! tongue.gif

thanks for the response Lowyat_P1W1MAX!

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post Dec 16 2009, 10:36 AM

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some tips to those suffering low speeds (maybe due to base station congestion, etc).

1. Do not put your modem in front of a window with tint. seems to have an aversion to tinted windows, this modem.
2. Make a list of all the base stations in your area. take the modem on a field trip on different parts of your house, then login to the modem http://10.1.1.254 (admin/admin123) to take down the BS ID/Base station Id. Also take note of the location of the modem if you get a different BS ID.
You can also use the coverage checking map to see which direction you may have to face the modem to.
3. Disable any QoS service in your router (my previous router, DIR-300 screwed my wimax connection when i turn on the QoS)
4. Do not limit your possible wimax modem location to "just facing out of a window", sometime facing a wall there can be signal also (like in my case facing the inside of the condo at times)
5. Once you have the list in #2, do some observation per base station.
a. do a ping www.yahoo.com -t test, if it is normal you should be getting 200-400ms reply and only 1 "Request time out" every
once in a while
b. do a speedtest
6. Position is key. The modem signal can change if you even move it 1 degree or even just centimeters from where it is, or even just adding some height to the modem (like putting it on top of a book, etc)


Hope this helps, this is what i normally do when i get low speed with P1.


and btw, these are the base stations that I know that are suxx:

00:00:12:A0:01:63 - used to be good, but right now when i connect high ping
00:00:12:A0:05:72 - said to be under maintenance, also used to be good too, at the moment off peak is ok- come 9pm here comes the lag.

these base stations are ok.
00:00:12:A0:00:52 - currently using this one, getting green signal too but modem is at the balcony (where our clothes are being hung to dry)
00:00:12:A0:00:41 - sometimes able to connect to this one, also good.

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post Dec 16 2009, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(isone @ Dec 16 2009, 05:47 PM)
I have problem with my connection speed and already emailed P1 yesterday - they replied by calling me just now.

They mention that my area (Cheras Utama) got congestion issue, and will be back to normal on 22nd December.
I hope from now onwards, P1 support can inform to all their affected customer instead of we ourselves as customer need to figure out by ourself.


Added on December 16, 2009, 5:51 pm

I also faced the same issue, just realize my area has been wipe out from the coverage map  hmm.gif
Maybe they are upgrading their tower and they show the current status of the coverage??
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...or removing the areas with congestion from the coverage map to somehow stop the influx of more users in the area while the towers are being upgraded/fixed.


Added on December 16, 2009, 5:54 pm
QUOTE(silentser @ Dec 16 2009, 01:28 PM)
i post your guide on the pinned thread, hope you dont mind
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no problem! the more P1 users we can help by sharing our individual P1 troubleshooting a.k.a. feng shui the better.

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post Mar 16 2011, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Lowyat_P1W1MAX @ Mar 15 2011, 09:58 AM)
Hi gbrlta,

Standardize the throttling speed for all plans to DL 128kbps and UL 100kbps once the customers have exceeded their monthly usage quota
Optimize network, reduce congestion sites, ease of communications
Throttling speed will take place on 22nd March 2011.
All other parameters within the plan remain unchanged

Do let us know if u need further clarification.
Wow. that just blows me away again. 128kbps/100kbps. ain't it a bit harsh P1? Somehow I want to believe someone from P1 tried surfing while being throttled before deciding on that value. Is it year 2000, yet again? -- didn't receive the memo..


Added on March 16, 2011, 3:05 pm
QUOTE(Channel84 @ Mar 16 2011, 03:38 AM)
I'm a existing p1 home plus user for more than 2 year.
I'm considering upgrading to home pro but i got 2 question to ask
1) What is the min speed for home pro after the fup limit is used up?
2) Does P1 guarantee minimum speed for it's package anymore? If yes please show me the link to the info

Currently considering upgrading to home pro or jump ship to unifi.
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jump ship to unifi.

I'm a home pro user. with what they're planning to implement for the throttling speed I'd say don't go for home pro.. don't go for P1 even.

P1 does not give preference whether you're paying 99RM or 139RM per month. Once you hit that quota you're with the rest of the pack.
There's absolutely no reward for sticking with P1 for the long haul, all they care about are getting new subscribers, getting people to top up.. Basically earn more moolah.. milk us somemore.

And don't get me started at the number of hours i've spent trying to search for a good signal for the modem. Save yourself from the hassle, go Unifi.


If only I had the same choice as you to switch to unifi, I would've already done so.

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post Mar 17 2011, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Channel84 @ Mar 16 2011, 03:59 PM)
wow...that answered my question....thx for the advice bali
In dec 2008 they change the fup term and condition and we protested, they change it back to stating back the min cap speed for different package
Now they're doing the samething again.
All package throttled to the same speed? omg
0.12mbps dl speed? omg omg
I supported p1 for so long because i believe in promoting competition among isp.
But suka suka change FUP term and condition attitude of p1 and unattractive/uncompetitive package compare to unifi is just bad business strategy and practice.

"After using/supporting p1 for 2 year, they still leave me no choice but to jump back to tmnet."
that is the summary of my 2 year customer evaluation to p1  cry.gif
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planning on consuming my 30GB this month and maybe invite the P1 boss to surf at my place... anyone else wanna join me in inviting him to our homes to test out that throttle speed of theirs hahaha

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