QUOTE(manami @ Nov 22 2009, 11:14 PM)
Well if that's true then it's good news, but now, how do we explain the global warming carbon tax on the world? That would really be a problem now for those global warming carbon taxation advocates, since as you said, fertility is down, and population also going down, so hence logically speaking, carbon emission also going down, but on the contrary, the copenhagen summit is just around the corner, and every UN nation is going to be made to sign the lisbon treaty and made to pay carbon tax.
Even if population is dropping, would it be fast enough ? You still have to deal with religious institutions like the Vatican and the Islamic world. Areas where militant Muslims rule, women has no rights, and because women has no rights to decide how many children they should give birth, we would still have problems with overpopulation especially in these 4th world areas.
Now you have another problem, financial armageddon. If and when it happens, you got no more jobs, can't feed and pacify the population that is wrecked with unemployment. What happens then ?
America is a country to watch out for now, as it is heading towards hyperinflation and it's financial markets are gone.
The collapse of the financial pyramid based on debt/fiat money would have impact on the ability of the economy to sustain a population, because that could massively alter what is needed to sustain a particular LEVEL of population, regardless of population decreasing or not.
If the economy collapses to a point where it could not sustain even the drop of population we estimated to be sustainable, then you have a new anchor/bench and have to revise that anchor point of population ideal level.
It is no longer just about reducing population level, but the economy system, finance must change as fiat money and debt based economy (MLM pyramid) is also a factor you must consider for sustainable population level.
Carbon taxes are different things altogether. Consider per-capita carbon emissions. Developing countries release, per capita (per person) much less carbon than developed countries. Cutting the population will do that to some extent but not much. Also, economic growth tends to be tied up with carbon emissions, which is why even if you get a decreasing population, which is more wealthy overall, you might not get a reduction in emissions, which is why a tax is necessary to account for this.
Also, stop going into conspiracy theory mode. The Lisbon treaty is for EU nations only, and has been ratified, and has nothing to do with carbon taxes, and has absolutely nothing to do with UN nations, and the Copenhagen summit, which by the way, is pretty much going to fail in terms of getting an agreement.
What do you mean by fast enough? Heck that we're going to have a fall in human population is already good enough! I agree that the Vatican's stance isn't helping, but even in strongly Catholic Latin American countries, birth rates have dropped significantly. Heck, check Saudi Arabia's figures if you want an example of an Islamic kingdom, or Iran, etc. etc...
If you noticed, there aren't that many countries being run by Islamic militants too, which in the context of population is a good thing
And really, do you want to talk about population or your ideas of some end of the world as we know it conspiracy theory? Because the tone I'm getting from your posts is some idea of "imminent doom awaits!!!" mixed with conspiracies.