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Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V34!, The Orange Legion

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jimlim007
post Nov 26 2009, 11:36 PM

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sorry, need ask a very noob question, how to focus ppl eye for a sharp portrait? attach picture is the doubt in my mind. is it the right picture is consider focus human eye while left picture is not?

recently just have shoot in a ballroom dinner, the environment is pretty more on orange color, i am strugglering in the whole night when my snap with flash gun,, i get photo like direct flash (more white). ambient color is totally lose.

camera/flash setting:

flash with diffuser bounce backward 75 degree, A- dial, 50mm f2.2, flash 'auto mode' 1/2 power, WB, 5000K (refer to another alpha user in the dinner), STD creativity, multi-seg metering, AF-C, AF area - spot, ISO 800 and 400 (ohh damm, just aware, CPL filter attach...)

after due to getting lose ambient color, off the flash gun, all shot are blurring (object as far as 1.5 - 7 meters). almost dinner ending, mood getting down n down, try WB tungsten +4, found its work with flash gun and photo produce orange ambient color. dinner end, main prize lucky draw tak kena, have blur photo, go back hanging myself sad.gif

besides, there is another fren holds 40D with 50mm f1.8, at any shot his camera output in term of color, sharpness are excellent. both of us testing using same ISO, no flash gun, same distance to object. is it i am too noob or is a300 capability reach...

sifu please advice.

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post Nov 26 2009, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 26 2009, 11:41 PM)
For portraits, we should focus on the EYE for sharp features of the face.
Using f2.2 may create a shallow Depth Of Field (DOF), maybe you can increase it to get body shot equally sharp.
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in order to focus to the eye, it is like the right pictur ei draw right? but his kaki cant be cover? how ya?
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post Nov 27 2009, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 26 2009, 11:57 PM)
Either zoom out to cover the whole body (head to toe)... or walk back a few steps away from the subject (if using a fixed focal length lens), then focus on the eye.
You could lock the focus on the eye (half shutter press) and re-compose to include the whole body.

disclaimer: this is tips from newbie also  rolleyes.gif
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understand. but will it the lighting starting drift (observed metering)..?
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post Nov 27 2009, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Nov 27 2009, 12:14 AM)
Image straight out from camera, no PP. only resized by imageshack when uploading - using roughly same method as mentioned above. Ambient light was pretty warm

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hi lwliam, for this one not very understand "for precise focusing lock, use local area AF and select the points yourself", switch to local AF, how to select the the point?

the photo is warm. typically photographer will neutralize the ambient color?

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post Nov 27 2009, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Nov 27 2009, 12:24 AM)
1 sentence, u LACK of experince (very agreed sad.gif ).... so Nope, it is not the limitation.

but few thing i really wanna ask u,
1. why to u bounce backward for?!?!? hmm..actually the nikon guy try to help me since his camera getting much good ambient lighting
2. why do u use manual flash, i assume u are totally inexperince with flash, And camera.... u should just let TTL do thier job. i asked alpharian, he recomend me to use this setting, i just follow since no experience shooting in this type ballroom.
3. 5000k WB, sigh, if ur flash werent properly used, every photo will have diff WB color, due to the "white 5500k color" from flash arent properly bounce to the front/subject. and reach #4. this one also follow the alpha sifu in the dinner  sweat.gif
4. u have to know this. when apperture bigger then F2.8, all natural light in the surrounding will mostly overwrite the flash  (5500k) color... thus u will get 40-70% more overwrite towards the natural light... i am not aware of this leh. u mean when i adjust aperture F2.8------> F1.7, i might getting the ambient light with flash gun condition? but this not depend on how strong the flash power ?
5. 40D is a mid level camera, u cant compare with A300, if u like, take out a A700 to compare wink.gif dont bring a kancil to a sportcar race ler.... i thought D60 > 40D hmm.. mistake. i have not seen A700 above, but the 40D is kinda awesome of the photo my fren take

there are ways to overcome the problem, one of them is to learn properly the flash uses. then learn more bout white balance, and lastly, read up bout gel card and how it helps in WB.
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post Nov 27 2009, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Nov 27 2009, 01:08 AM)
jimlim007: The answer is - you are too n00b. biggrin.gif (agreed la, got 'too' somemore  sweat.gif )

- increase ambient exposure by using a slower shutter speed and higher ISO. Use Manual Exposure instead.
- don't ever put on a CPL filter unless you want to use it! (ya lor, over pandai sweat.gif , CPL remove d)
- objects are blur because you turned off the flash and it is using a slow shutter speed. (i am also suspect this for my blur photo, if not it will need send to calibrate like clivengu case?)
- you are metering for the background so you really do not have to keep adjusting it for every shot (metering for the backgorund? not understand....)

Anyway, you can focus on the body if you want as you may find, it is in the similiar plane of focus. Anyway you can choose the AF point you want, yes? actually i really not understand how to choose AF point? the nikon fren show me his camera got feature can select the small rectangular box in the LCD screen so that the point he select will have much more focus... he asking me my camera have similar feature or not, i actually also duno have or not.
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post Nov 27 2009, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Nov 27 2009, 02:03 AM)
do u even know how to see warn or cool? that photo to me is just fine,... but a little too white, i prefer a little skintone color to be warmer. smile.gif
hahaha. well, i guess u learned the hardway.

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so did u see that the 40D are mid level, and the cost so much, it could buy 2 and a half sets of ur camera... would u prefer getting 1x 40D or 2.5 sets of ur current camrea? tongue.gif
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really learn the hardway. seldom TT. all pro at KL city sad.gif i am pretty stupid also, forgotten to check WB by using LV. now learn more already. let me try upload some photo. the enlarge crop is 100%, why the noise level is so high? it is ISO 400/800 noise or object is not in focus? (i cant see this noise at 40D when my fren enlarge his photo, although the 40D also have extremely blurr when entire ballroom is black and just have few lilin, majority my fren photo is yummy)

3rd picture is it i focus on he wall and not the persons? i observed wall moch more sharp sad.gif

starting smell that mid range camera 'power'. cant imagine high end 5DII classwill ease users in some low light condition



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post Nov 27 2009, 03:03 AM

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cant tahan le, go sleep le. thank you for all pro responses. tomorrow continue read the thread. good night.


Added on November 27, 2009, 3:03 amcant tahan le, go sleep le. thank you for all pro responses. tomorrow continue read the thread. good night.

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post Nov 27 2009, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Nov 27 2009, 02:42 AM)
=.=|||| why u shoot so far from subject...

i think, if u wan to get convince ur camera is good? try this next time u go for event.

Direct Flash, Wide Plate out. Shoot. Ignore the harsh flash. just shoot.
then u check the picture sharpness + noise. smile.gif see the differences.

again, STOP comparing with 40D,... dont force albnok comes out with his A900 and knock ur head with it... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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yeah, taken by ur a300? wow it sharp


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QUOTE(lwliam @ Nov 27 2009, 02:05 AM)
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40D (canon) same range as A700 (Sony in case you dont know), D300 (nikon)

the D60 on the other hand, maybe can be same level as A300
your 'alpha sifu' really tak boleh pakai if like that, not worthy to be called sifu..
90% of the cases, camera bodies do not need calibration
all alphas is able to select AF points, read up on the user manual if still unclear. learn more about your own camera/gear. go to your Fn, then select 'local AF' or something like that. then it uses the D pad to select which AF point u want to use.


Added on November 27, 2009, 2:15 am

take out your camera, now set WB kelvin to 8000K, take a photo, see the color, that is warm.. now turn it to 2500K, take a photo again, that is cool. see the difference.

whether the photog wants to neutralize the ambient or not, depends highly on him/herself and the mood s/he's trying to create.
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yeah, i have try this during dinner, tried on every WB, get blue, white, red, green, sad found orange at last minute. i think the CPL is one cause also. i feel it is very important to know ahead the which Kelvin value can produce what color before the event shoot.


Added on November 27, 2009, 10:14 am
QUOTE(hkhk @ Nov 27 2009, 02:15 AM)
jimlim007: so now you learned that not everything can be copy and paste? Every setting have their reason.. Must look at the condition and change the parameters accordingly. smile.gif
If everything fail.. just go back to AUTO Mode n settle.. joking tongue.gif
Try n error is the process of learning smile.gif

- D60 is an entry level. 40D is mid range
- Always remember the rule, the shutter speed a man can hold without blur
                   "shutter speed = 1/ (focal length x crop factor)"
- slower shutter speed , the pic will be blur.. (this is assumed that the SSS is off)
- with higher ISO, wider aperture and slower shutter speed, u got more ambient light color.
- Depend, I like the photo to have a little bit warm if shoot in those hotel environment, not all will neutralize the white balance.
- To use local AF. Press the Fn button => AF area  => Local, use the D pad to choose the AF Point (u didn't read the manual?)
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lens motor don hv.. But my kit lens gear jam before.. Send to Sony service centre.. the personnel say motor jam..
I say.. this lens where got motor.. #$^%#*@&#*
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seriously, that night i really feel pressure in middle of the shoot. there is one colleague ask me to shoot with portrait-dail. let me write some key note in my white alpha bible


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QUOTE(albnok @ Nov 27 2009, 02:16 AM)
jimlim007: Post a blur photo with EXIF. If the shutter speed is too slow it is operator error. Figure out what you are doing wrong before blaming the camera!

How long have you had your camera? How can you not know about the Local Area AF thing? You use the joystick to select AF point.

You need to spend more time with your camera. Bring it out everywhere, friends' birthdays etc. Then you will have experience, and when you need to shoot at a ballroom, you know how.

There is a white book in your A300 box... look for it and read through it.
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owned it 13 months d shooting 3k plus photos. the joydtick yeah i seldom use it (not reach 5 times). future will use it more nod.gif got read the white bible la, but some portion read also cant understand sweat.gif

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post Nov 27 2009, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Nov 27 2009, 02:43 AM)
jimlim007: All three pictures show misfocus.

Figure out if you were using Wide Area AF (big rectangle), Local Area AF (9 points, can select using D-pad) or Spot Area AF (center spot AF only). The second and third picture looks like it was focused on the center spot (the guy in white is off-center and not in focus.)

By the way, it was my colleague's last day at work today - he had an A300 and 18-70mm kit lens. I helped him take pictures with everyone in the office using the Local Area AF mode with the corner AF point aimed at faces. It focused accurately and sharply on the faces. I used Live View for all the shots and made him look rather tall due to the angle (perspective can make the kit lens look like an ultra-wide angle lens.)
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ohh. actually i notice one thing that night, the camera some time it is auto set to spot center, why ar? it is other setting lead to auto activate this spot center?


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post Nov 27 2009, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Killabee88 @ Nov 27 2009, 10:47 AM)
where u stay? auto set? wat mode did u use? have u change the mode?
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sorry, this Q already answered by lwliam at p16.


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QUOTE(lwliam @ Nov 27 2009, 02:48 AM)
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and like i said, you're using AF-C (C for continuous) it only uses the centre spot (by default) for focus and changes everytime u move the camera. surely the centre subject will be off-focus. tell u what, now go change it to AF-A permanantly, until u know what is it's use, do not change it
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kk, set to AF-A d. yeah, i notice AF-C cause spot center.


Added on November 27, 2009, 11:00 am
QUOTE(Killabee88 @ Nov 27 2009, 10:45 AM)
so long didnt share pics here.

please C&C
taken with a200, KM50

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nice shot, #1 nice


Added on November 27, 2009, 11:01 amomg, after use 13 months, now only know to use the controller to select the "area"

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post Nov 27 2009, 12:07 PM

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am feel so guilty dragging all into brand & model arguement sweat.gif
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post Nov 27 2009, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Vincent Pang @ Nov 27 2009, 12:12 PM)
well i believe certain ppl like certain brand because of the feature. Just that in your case u like the canon feature more than sony. Nothing wrong with that. End of the day it is you that you need to please. If you are not happy with it, wat for? So wat u waiting for? Jump ship smile.gif
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haiyoo, that one is different ma. my skill not there plus comparison banana to apple not apple to apple smile.gif i go tapao first, hungry

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post Nov 27 2009, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(braindead_fr3ak @ Nov 27 2009, 12:40 PM)
hey guys, not been here for a long time... been bz with two events. Pretty interesting stuff....

pic spam from my a300

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hi bro, can you crop 100% at picture #3 gal face?
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post Nov 27 2009, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 27 2009, 01:13 PM)
jimlim007 - in the end it's about you la.

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that is why lor, TT at Klang. so far from here >350Km sweat.gif haiz

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QUOTE(braindead_fr3ak @ Nov 27 2009, 01:56 PM)
jimlim here u are.. plz note that the original pic looks way better than the one i posted up smile.gif
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ohh thx for reference.
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post Nov 27 2009, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Nov 27 2009, 05:35 PM)
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noted le nod.gif
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post Nov 27 2009, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Hinika @ Nov 27 2009, 09:20 PM)
spam some pics, need some advice and comment  tongue.gif 

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wow, all very nice thumbup.gif
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post Nov 27 2009, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Nov 27 2009, 10:30 PM)
can just call william, no need add the L in front.

me to subject about 1m, subject to b/g about 3-4m
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wah 1 meter is very near
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post Nov 28 2009, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 28 2009, 03:58 PM)
Waaaaaaaaaaah! A350 only rm1100 then A200 nonid to sell oredi.  sweat.gif
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still can sell cheaper ---> rm900 or lower

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