Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V34!, The Orange Legion
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 Nov 27 2009, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Nov 27 2009, 01:10 AM) The sifu is very straight forward indeed. LOL. Anyway was at Mardi Gras @ 1utama. Saw a photographer that really looked like kysham. LOL! Mardi Gras at 1U? Interesting....... I loved going to Mardi Gras when I was living in the US. What are the events going on at 1U Mardi Gras? Got balconies where we can throw bead necklaces up to or not? Whagagaga This post has been edited by ianho: Nov 27 2009, 01:21 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 01:22 AM
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here the Mardi Gras won't be like what I see in Aussie kekekeke
anywya I missed the Canon's timer function 10 second timer and takes 3 shots consecutively... |
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Nov 27 2009, 01:27 AM
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Mardi Gras @ USA probably has alot of jaw dropping action. LOL.Who wouldn't like that? =p
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Nov 27 2009, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Nov 27 2009, 12:24 AM) 1 sentence, u LACK of experince (very agreed  ).... so Nope, it is not the limitation.but few thing i really wanna ask u, 1. why to u bounce backward for?!?!? hmm..actually the nikon guy try to help me since his camera getting much good ambient lighting 2. why do u use manual flash, i assume u are totally inexperince with flash, And camera.... u should just let TTL do thier job. i asked alpharian, he recomend me to use this setting, i just follow since no experience shooting in this type ballroom. 3. 5000k WB, sigh, if ur flash werent properly used, every photo will have diff WB color, due to the "white 5500k color" from flash arent properly bounce to the front/subject. and reach #4. this one also follow the alpha sifu in the dinner  4. u have to know this. when apperture bigger then F2.8, all natural light in the surrounding will mostly overwrite the flash (5500k) color... thus u will get 40-70% more overwrite towards the natural light... i am not aware of this leh. u mean when i adjust aperture F2.8------> F1.7, i might getting the ambient light with flash gun condition? but this not depend on how strong the flash power ? 5. 40D is a mid level camera, u cant compare with A300, if u like, take out a A700 to compare  dont bring a kancil to a sportcar race ler.... i thought D60 > 40D hmm.. mistake. i have not seen A700 above, but the 40D is kinda awesome of the photo my fren takethere are ways to overcome the problem, one of them is to learn properly the flash uses. then learn more bout white balance, and lastly, read up bout gel card and how it helps in WB. |
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Nov 27 2009, 01:38 AM
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Has anyone's sony's lens motor malfunction before?
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Nov 27 2009, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Nov 27 2009, 01:27 AM) Mardi Gras @ USA probably has alot of jaw dropping action. LOL.Who wouldn't like that? =p Hehe, Mardi Gras at Bourbon Street, New Orleans. U guys must go there at least once in ur lifetime. Best is to go there while ur young.  |
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Nov 27 2009, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Nov 27 2009, 01:08 AM) jimlim007: The answer is - you are too n00b.  (agreed la, got 'too' somemore ) - increase ambient exposure by using a slower shutter speed and higher ISO. Use Manual Exposure instead. - don't ever put on a CPL filter unless you want to use it! (ya lor, over pandai , CPL remove d)- objects are blur because you turned off the flash and it is using a slow shutter speed. (i am also suspect this for my blur photo, if not it will need send to calibrate like clivengu case?) - you are metering for the background so you really do not have to keep adjusting it for every shot (metering for the backgorund? not understand....) Anyway, you can focus on the body if you want as you may find, it is in the similiar plane of focus. Anyway you can choose the AF point you want, yes? actually i really not understand how to choose AF point? the nikon fren show me his camera got feature can select the small rectangular box in the LCD screen so that the point he select will have much more focus... he asking me my camera have similar feature or not, i actually also duno have or not. |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Nov 27 2009, 01:17 AM) hi lwliam, for this one not very understand "for precise focusing lock, use local area AF and select the points yourself", switch to local AF, how to select the the point? do u even know how to see warn or cool? that photo to me is just fine,... but a little too white, i prefer a little skintone color to be warmer. the photo is warm. typically photographer will neutralize the ambient color?  QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Nov 27 2009, 01:34 AM) 1. well, bouncing backward is used on certain condition, not all, and it is VERY BAD, because u going to blind unprepared people behind u. hahahahaha. Yes, bouncing behind usually is used for large apperture. eg:2.8 and below. but with another condition is that, the room MUST be poorly lit. meaning, it must have less natural light (like those ballroom, they are brightly lit with tungsten, very badddd,... again, read #4.) 2. urghhh... if u are inexperince, dont. because worst part is u are bouncing backwards, thus, u may not have a consistent distance of bounce area to bounce back the light, u might get 10% light back, or 30%, or 60%, or just 5%, thus ur exposure will be in a MESS. 3. erm... u really need to learn and understand the Custom WB urself. it takes time.... else, set it to AWB and let the bionz do thier job. usually if u see on ur LCD< it will have 50% more red. once u bring back to ur computer LCD< the proper color is there, it wont be That Red u see on ur camera lcd. (forgot to tell u, the camera lcd for A300 series is 50% more red) 4. now you know. it's like, if ur room light is blue, after flash (photo should be white) but the blue light travel pretty fast too, 1/60 prehaps enough to cause a 40% overwrite of blue light, hence, u will get a 40% cooler(blue) photo so, ballroom usually is over lit with tungsten, red=orange, warmer light.... so, imagine when u uses F2.8, the amount of orange will be overwrite ur photo would be 20-40%... so most of ur photo are more 'warm' by about 20-40%... so it is ur technique, not the camera limitation.... u lack of knowledge and experince. also, that is the reason (i assumed) that the guys asked u to get to 5000k, but if me, i would use a gel card instead if i wan a proper overall WB 5. sigh, i am lazy to list laaa.... nikon and canon numbering is quite mess... sony also la... LOL entry level Canon 450D, 1000D, 500D Nikon D60, D90, D5000, D3000 Sony A300, A330, A550? Mid Level Canon 40D, 50D (see the number is 2 digit, like nikon entry level) Nikon D300, D700, D300s (see the number is 3 digit, like canon's entry level numbering) Sony A700, A850 Pro level... no need tell la... u wont be getting it any soon also  so did u see that the 40D are mid level, and the cost so much, it could buy 2 and a half sets of ur camera... would u prefer getting 1x 40D or 2.5 sets of ur current camrea? This post has been edited by ieR: Nov 27 2009, 02:16 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:05 AM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 40D (canon) same range as A700 (Sony in case you dont know), D300 (nikon) the D60 on the other hand, maybe can be same level as A300 your 'alpha sifu' really tak boleh pakai if like that, not worthy to be called sifu.. 90% of the cases, camera bodies do not need calibration all alphas is able to select AF points, read up on the user manual if still unclear. learn more about your own camera/gear. go to your Fn, then select 'local AF' or something like that. then it uses the D pad to select which AF point u want to use. Added on November 27, 2009, 2:15 am QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Nov 27 2009, 01:17 AM) hi lwliam, for this one not very understand "for precise focusing lock, use local area AF and select the points yourself", switch to local AF, how to select the the point? take out your camera, now set WB kelvin to 8000K, take a photo, see the color, that is warm.. now turn it to 2500K, take a photo again, that is cool. see the difference. the photo is warm. typically photographer will neutralize the ambient color? whether the photog wants to neutralize the ambient or not, depends highly on him/herself and the mood s/he's trying to create. This post has been edited by lwliam: Nov 27 2009, 02:15 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:15 AM
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jimlim007: so now you learned that not everything can be copy and paste? Every setting have their reason.. Must look at the condition and change the parameters accordingly.
If everything fail.. just go back to AUTO Mode n settle.. joking Try n error is the process of learning - D60 is an entry level. 40D is mid range - Always remember the rule, the shutter speed a man can hold without blur "shutter speed = 1/ (focal length x crop factor)" - slower shutter speed , the pic will be blur.. (this is assumed that the SSS is off) - with higher ISO, wider aperture and slower shutter speed, u got more ambient light color. - Depend, I like the photo to have a little bit warm if shoot in those hotel environment, not all will neutralize the white balance. - To use local AF. Press the Fn button => AF area => Local, use the D pad to choose the AF Point (u didn't read the manual?) -------- QUOTE(OSW @ Nov 27 2009, 01:38 AM) Has anyone's sony's lens motor malfunction before? lens motor don hv.. But my kit lens gear jam before.. Send to Sony service centre.. the personnel say motor jam.. I say.. this lens where got motor.. #$^%#*@&#* |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:16 AM
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jimlim007: Post a blur photo with EXIF. If the shutter speed is too slow it is operator error. Figure out what you are doing wrong before blaming the camera!
How long have you had your camera? How can you not know about the Local Area AF thing? You use the joystick to select AF point. You need to spend more time with your camera. Bring it out everywhere, friends' birthdays etc. Then you will have experience, and when you need to shoot at a ballroom, you know how. There is a white book in your A300 box... look for it and read through it. |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Nov 27 2009, 02:03 AM) do u even know how to see warn or cool? that photo to me is just fine,... but a little too white, i prefer a little skintone color to be warmer. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « i used my white card or custom WB i do agree that the skintone could use a bit of warmth though.Added on November 27, 2009, 2:21 am QUOTE(albnok @ Nov 27 2009, 02:16 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « There is a white book in your A300 box... look for it and read through it. IeR, D700 where got mid level??????? consider high end edi lor... This post has been edited by lwliam: Nov 27 2009, 02:23 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:24 AM
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lwliam: hehehe... skintone and WB is each person's preference. there is no right or wrong
i think Jimlim007 got peer pressure from his shooting friends, he couldnt get the right setting, and then he go compare photo with his friends, definately get stressed up... that why he a bit jump to conclusion the camera is at fault. dude, cool down dude... take more time to get to know ur camera... u cant buy a new car, and expect u to drift like takumi, is the driver fault he cant drift (hey takumi did use an old lousy 85 levin to drift rite?) Added on November 27, 2009, 2:27 amhahaha i think D700 is budget FF, like A850... but i myself is also confused, because my friend using D700 say his camera cant even compare to a pro level... hahaha, but it's up to the person how the percieve it. nikon are known to put high leve camera into the lower level tier... like D90, it cant be entry level, it suppose to be par with mid level~~ and A550 is a mid level or entry level? the same questions, to determine the LEVEL of the camera. sony seem to say A550 is entry... but to me, it perform so well, near par with A700, it should consider mid level...(need albnok to clarify...) 7D was declare a PRO by the canon, after it's launch and many review, the 'people of canon' state that 7D is a mid level, it cant compete with the pro level. i have no opinion... This post has been edited by ieR: Nov 27 2009, 02:30 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Nov 27 2009, 02:03 AM) do u even know how to see warn or cool? that photo to me is just fine,... but a little too white, i prefer a little skintone color to be warmer. really learn the hardway. seldom TT. all pro at KL city hahaha. well, i guess u learned the hardway. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « so did u see that the 40D are mid level, and the cost so much, it could buy 2 and a half sets of ur camera... would u prefer getting 1x 40D or 2.5 sets of ur current camrea? i am pretty stupid also, forgotten to check WB by using LV. now learn more already. let me try upload some photo. the enlarge crop is 100%, why the noise level is so high? it is ISO 400/800 noise or object is not in focus? (i cant see this noise at 40D when my fren enlarge his photo, although the 40D also have extremely blurr when entire ballroom is black and just have few lilin, majority my fren photo is yummy)3rd picture is it i focus on he wall and not the persons? i observed wall moch more sharp starting smell that mid range camera 'power'. cant imagine high end 5DII classwill ease users in some low light condition Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Nov 27 2009, 02:42 AM
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=.=|||| why u shoot so far from subject...
i think, if u wan to get convince ur camera is good? try this next time u go for event. Direct Flash, Wide Plate out. Shoot. Ignore the harsh flash. just shoot. then u check the picture sharpness + noise. see the differences.again, STOP comparing with 40D,... dont force albnok comes out with his A900 and knock ur head with it... *edit: show u mine. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by ieR: Nov 27 2009, 02:45 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:43 AM
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jimlim007: All three pictures show misfocus.
Figure out if you were using Wide Area AF (big rectangle), Local Area AF (9 points, can select using D-pad) or Spot Area AF (center spot AF only). The second and third picture looks like it was focused on the center spot (the guy in white is off-center and not in focus.) By the way, it was my colleague's last day at work today - he had an A300 and 18-70mm kit lens. I helped him take pictures with everyone in the office using the Local Area AF mode with the corner AF point aimed at faces. It focused accurately and sharply on the faces. I used Live View for all the shots and made him look rather tall due to the angle (perspective can make the kit lens look like an ultra-wide angle lens.) This post has been edited by albnok: Nov 27 2009, 02:50 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:46 AM
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Now is no longer entry, mid, pro.. the manufacturer make it more than 3 level.
SONY SG also say A700 is pro.. but in fact it's a midrange. http://www.sony.com.sg/microsite/dslr/inde...SLR_HP:masthead 7D is born to be the flagship for the APS-C camera, same as the the D300. Manufacturer say all the cam are pro.. so they can sell more?? haha |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:48 AM
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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Nov 27 2009, 02:38 AM) really learn the hardway. seldom TT. all pro at KL city OMGGGGGG what's with all the empty spaces???? what's with u and 40D/5D? u like it so much go ahead and buy them, then show us if u can get the same image you 'think' you should be getting... i am pretty stupid also, forgotten to check WB by using LV. now learn more already. let me try upload some photo. the enlarge crop is 100%, why the noise level is so high? it is ISO 400/800 noise or object is not in focus? (i cant see this noise at 40D when my fren enlarge his photo, although the 40D also have extremely blurr when entire ballroom is black and just have few lilin, majority my fren photo is yummy)3rd picture is it i focus on he wall and not the persons? i observed wall moch more sharp starting smell that mid range camera 'power'. cant imagine high end 5DII classwill ease users in some low light condition u dun have to confirm WB by using LV, after u take a pic, cant u tell that it's not the color temperature u want? what if those who doesnt have LV? no need check WB? and like i said, you're using AF-C (C for continuous) it only uses the centre spot (by default) for focus and changes everytime u move the camera. surely the centre subject will be off-focus. tell u what, now go change it to AF-A permanantly, until u know what is it's use, do not change it This post has been edited by lwliam: Nov 27 2009, 02:53 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE(hkhk @ Nov 27 2009, 02:46 AM) Now is no longer entry, mid, pro.. the manufacturer make it more than 3 level. true true, i somehow agree with u. say pro, can sell more expensive. LOL SONY SG also say A700 is pro.. but in fact it's a midrange. http://www.sony.com.sg/microsite/dslr/inde...SLR_HP:masthead 7D is born to be the flagship for the APS-C camera, same as the the D300. Manufacturer say all the cam are pro.. so they can sell more?? haha    7D, i just dont get it, WHY an APS-C?!?!? it came shock to the world when they announce it as APS-C... but i wont be suprised... canon been making so many stupid move all pass 40 years. changing mount(reason why 50% of canon user jumped to nikon), several crops ratio, 1.6 la, 1.7! laa. then 1.3 leh? wtf... rushing to release, then after launch, 2-5 times firmware updates a year... sigh... *1.3ׇ — Canon EOS-1D Mark IV, 1D Mark III , 1D Mark II (and Mark II N), EOS-1D from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS-C i guess canon is losing thier R&D with larger sensor cmos? high MP low noise FF cmos?? missing? This post has been edited by ieR: Nov 27 2009, 02:56 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 03:03 AM
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cant tahan le, go sleep le. thank you for all pro responses. tomorrow continue read the thread. good night.
Added on November 27, 2009, 3:03 amcant tahan le, go sleep le. thank you for all pro responses. tomorrow continue read the thread. good night. This post has been edited by jimlim007: Nov 27 2009, 03:03 AM |
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