Finish liao. That was the last one.

But i guess u can try to shop around there, maybe still got. I've only look at a few shops only before i found it.

ya, i hope i can shop around there. but the problem is i'm 200km away
but now sometimes the picture is not jumping anymore, hopefully this will be permanent

I'm looking to buy a new tv/monitor for my HD gaming rig. All I want is the same quality that I can get with standard computer monitor. I'm quite happy the quality that I get with crt. That's why I stick to crt monitor till these day.

My question is do I get the same quality from a HDTV that can display 480p, 720p and 1080i same as computer monitor (crt)? If not, then I have to buy a lcd then...

maybe mr matrix can answer this since he have hdtv...

i also got a hdtv what, same model like mr matrix some more.

before migrating to hdtv, i'm using vdigi to display on my 19" crt monitor. so the answer you're looking for is yes, crt hdtv looks as good as crt monitor.

any tv you wish you want also can get, as long as you got the budget lar
your best solution for hdtv is getting a widescreen wun, not the normal square tv. thats because 720p and 1080i display are widescreen, thats mean you'll get black border if use normal square tv.
the cheapest hdtv crt widescreen is samsung 32" for RM4k. if your budget not that high, then get philips 29" with pixel plus 2 for RM2.5k. but it is not widescreen, thats the low point of low budget. for sub RM2k, i would recommend sony 29" DB29M61, doesn't have any technology similiar to pixel plus 2 but still displaying amazing quality for 720p and 1080i.

Thanx for clearing this up. I have the budget, but need to spend it wisely . If you are refering the samsung widescreen 32", maybe that's the new model, CS-32Z30HE SlimFitTM HDTV, isn't it? That cost around RM4k. How about Samsung CS29Z30BP 29" Flat Slimfit? It says it have 1080i HDReady, DNIe and Digital Scan 100hz. It so confuse to find the right product that truely claim HD these day. This one around RM2k plus.

yup, i'm referring to CS-32Z30HE, because it is widescreen. the CS29Z30BP 29" is only 4:3 (square display), you will get black border on top and bottom when running on 720p and 1080i. both also is HD but the difference is widescreen or not. my budget was not much, otherwise i have snaps the CS-32Z30HE instead of sony 29" DB29M61.

Having seen the Samsung slimfit picture quality, I'll have to say you'd better do some comparisons with the Sony model matrix and xxboxx have or a PixelPlus2 set, like mine. Somehow the slimfit image quality isn't as good as I'd expect a DnIe powered TV to be. Widescreen is all well and good - but at then end of the day what it comes down to is your satisfaction with the purchase. I'd advise you to look these units up and then do a side-by side comparison, then choose the one you think has the best picture quality for your budget. You may even have to bring along your own component cables/DVDs, but since this is a major buy, it pays to be major choosy.

My 2 sen.

Lord2Ashe is right. Bring along ur XBOX to test if you have to!!

Frankly, i would advice against the 2K+ CS29Z30BP 29" Flat Slimfit. It is not widescreen, only 4:3. The image quality also pretty sucky. Better get the SONY 29" for only RM1.8K with much superior image quality.

The 4K Samsung is quite okay, since it's widescreen and the image quality is better than the CS29Z30BP...but i still say it's not as good as a SONY or a Philips.

An alternate solution.

If u can up ur budget to 6K+, might as well go for a SONY Bravia LCD or similar LCDs from Philips(with Pixel Plus 2 - the king of all line doubler tech).

OR

Buy the 34" 4:3 SONY model for only RM2.9K. Since this has bigger screen, even when playing in widescreen(with black borders), it is noticeably larger than a 29" 4:3 in widescreen format.

btw, BENQ has a RM5K (or is it 6K?) 43" Plasma....but quality i dunno ler...

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 25 2006, 01:13 PM

I'm not sure this is the same model advertised here recently...i remember that as 43" while this is 46". Anyway, have a look.

More info: BENQ 46" plasma review.

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/di...p?reviewid=4752

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/televisions...rx.aspx#reviews


Frankly...if I'm going to spend > 4K for a display, i'll only choose a SONY, PHILIPS, PIONEER and maybe SAMSUNG and LG.

thanks for the help guys...Yes, I noticed that Samsung CS29Z30BP 29" is 4:3. So, that will not be my choice. Before I make my mind to buy CRT HDTV, Philips 34" LCD with Pixel Plus 2 was my top choice. The price is quite good and cheaper than Sony Bravia LCD. it has HDMI which good for next five year investment.

Then I ask myself is I can get the CRT HDTV with the same quality as CRT monitor that will be better. I can save a lot of money. I dont mind the bulky size since I don't need to move it around. That's why I must consult you guys first before the purchase. It now nearly a month I do a research on HD. I'm very choosy about the display quality and sure that I'll bring along my xbox360 to test.

Thanks for the review mr matrix and also to lordashe and xxboxx for such great info and help. I got to go and continue my search for my HD gaming rig....

Any real progressive CRT beyond 21" would be too costly. That's why u could hardly find any.

Say if i bought Sony Bravia for 6k, then i found a dead pixel, can they be change? I got some phobia after seeing some dead pixel on my friend's portable console and cannot be change for another one.

Wah..Pixel Plus 2 34" LCD cheaper than Sony bravia? How much? I think if got budget, opt for this ler. but i'm not sure about the native resolution. I think the resolution might be lower than Sony's Bravia though. Should try out both with your XBOX360 and see.

btw, You're welcomed on the info...but why refer me as "MR" matrix ar?? LOL. Sounds so weird.

Good luck in ur hunting and less us know what you bought and post some screenies when u got the hardware!

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 26 2006, 09:31 AM

Definitely surprised to hear that Philips LCD beats the Bravia - but all the best to your purchase and don't forget to let us know the outcome!

Cheers!

Dear all, I've had my eyes for SONY KV-DB29M61 and was just wondering how the quality would be.

Reading this thread cleared all my doubts. This is definitely the best TV to get below 2k. And yes i do have a tight budget Some more bonus only 1/2 month this year. Dang. hehe

I m only getting this TV becoz i wanna play PS2 in HD. But it is sad to see that only very few games support even 480p

Hopefully can get enuff money to buy it after CNY and hope the price will drop so that i can join in the fun

why don't you get xbox? now everyone migrating to xb360 already, xbox 2nd hand price are much cheaper. and almost all xbox games support 480p.

eventhought ps2 games are 480i, thanks to sony DRC 1250 / DRC progressive function, the quality is near as good as 480p.

btw, the DB29M61 price of 1.8k only till this month, coz sony is doing the promotion. next month the price maybe will be 2k.

Sigh, if only i have the money i'll get xbox 360 but i am a freak for JRPG and xbox is more towards FPS etc. That's why i m sticking to PS2/3 etc. But i'll surely get the xbox when i have enoug $$ hehe

Thanks for the suggestion

Not all PS2 games support 480i rite?

Hopefully i can get the TV b4 the price go up

For those who already have the TV, post more screenshots so that I/We can drool in awe

This post has been edited by toytoy: Jan 26 2006, 04:59 PM

Actually screenshots can hardly do a good TV justice. Best way is to get yourself invited to a place with one of these sets and have a hands on demo. I know I changed Prince of Persia's mind with my little demo on his 360 with composite cables...

480i is the normal video display, from our local channel to astro and also ps2.

Seriously, the PS2 doesn't support HD gaming. There is only one game GT4 which support 1080i and 480p are very hard to come by.

True HD gaming is 720p and above. Even on XBOX, not many games support 720p and 1080i, but about 99% support at least 480p. The XBOX is not only for FPS, the best version of cross platform action/racing games can be found here and some exclusive (Splinter Cell, Burnout, Prince of Persia etc...i've never bothered with PS2 version for these games). If you can find a 2nd hand XBOX for around RM500, it's well worth the money....not to mention the stuff u can do with a new bigger Hard disk.

Seriously, if u're only playing PS2, i think u better save ur money and forget about the HDTV now, coz the improvement is not really a lot for PS2 games...some games actually looks worst on HDTV for PS2 like DMC3...whatta mess!!!

I still play PS2 using my PC monitor...more convenient and the quality is not much different. More convenient in the bedroom.


Yes, i would agreed to stay away from the XBOX360 for now if you'r on tight budget...not many games for that system yet....and not much Japanese games on the horizon either.