does reciprocal relation exists between race and intelligence? that certain intelligence and wit is only available to some while the others were denied of it, and the deciding factor is the race that you belong to.

or is it just a corresponding coincidence of genetic variance within races that so by luck the intelligence was inherited through blatant polygamous activities which would inadvertently give bloom to a whole community of intellectuals.

you can always refer to real GDP for comparison to this IQ score chart of their achievements.

Where does these data came from?

Interesting stuff though Neuroscience was my major, and I never came across the fact that race has anything to do with intelligence. But in some theo-socio studies, stated that most of the people with Jewish blood has higher IQs than most other races in this world.

This post has been edited by annariana: Nov 16 2009, 06:19 PM

in my opinion, jewish people's intelligence has nothing to do with the blood, dna etc. it's their mindset (overbearing, money minded) that brings them to the higher level. that's why jewish parents are well known to be strict and overbearing. in fact, most of them are european looking (ashkenazim) rather than middle-eastern looking (mizrahi)

and because of their success, jews are susceptible to judeophobic remarks such as yahudi laknatullah, scum of the universe etc. they are also blamed for all misfortunes in this world and subjected to conspiracy theories such as freemasonry, rotary club, new world order etc

contrary to popular belief, "god's chosen people" is a term used by the jews to deliver and propagate their mosaic faith, not as an excuse to belittle the gentiles/goyims as a subhuman.

This post has been edited by quintessential: Nov 16 2009, 06:51 PM

If you surround yourself with people that are stingy and money minded chances are you will grow up being one yourself. If you surround yourself with people that are of so and so behavior chances are you will develop similar behaviors/traits. How much of influence does the environment someone was brought up in contribute to IQ?

PS : Of course there will always be rebels, people that do not conform to the norm of their society.

yay. i heard their parents begin a very strict education schedule for them since they were very young. like 7 years old expected to finish memorise the Bible.
Btw,annariana, what exactly do you study in neuroscience? and how is it? fun?

I bet the score dispersion within the racial groups are larger than the difference in means between groups. Also your stats are not controlled for education, social conditions, health etc.

Is it a surprise that bushmen score the lowest when they're also the least plugged into the modern world?

Agreed. But then, scientifically, there are studies about the Jews IQ level around some institution, and I believe Ford's International Jew highlighted it too. But then, even cognitive studies stated that human brain potential are developed by their environment, but the pace are coordinated by the bloodline. The bloodline factor is possible as there are score dispersion within racial groups, remember the upside down U graph

And I do think, the earlier suppression of the Jews, Jews' stressing history and the "God's chosen people" theory had made up their pride, thus making them work harder to be smarter than other races.


You can Google it. The cognitive studies, physiology, neuroanatomy and sociology are very interesting when put together, I would love to see neurosciences being integrated with social studies one day. Too bad, it's somewhat theorical almost all the time, no practicality over life



That's why we need the source of this data, TS

bill gate said Indians are the most brilliant people in the world

most of the time, it really depends on the country culture and up-bringing.... and intelligent is subjective...

Say if we city people goes into jungle, our intelligent would only lead us to starvation, but bushmen have a higher intelligent in jungle to survive.

From what I know about India, the place is very competitive to the extend you have to say "You know and can do it" even if you know nuts about the stuff.

In Singapore, the culture is so kiasu to the extend you have to excel in education... same goes to Korean culture

As for Jews, just read to understand Jew Culture

I've read previously that intelligent have some correlation to number of languages a person can communicate

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Nov 17 2009, 12:00 AM

the data came from wikipedia. as stated as "sos". as unreliable as it is, its a good impetus to stimulate a discussion dont you think?

and as about the jews, i belief their immunity in the society is very much pivotal to their selective breeding way of surviving. see how the jews often made links with eugenism? even the nazi third reich were felt threatened by their presence.

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Added on November 17, 2009, 12:20 amjews as i have mentioned, lucky for them, natural selection and environmental factors favored them very much so.

back in those days, christians were forbidden from reaping self profit through money lending and businesses of that nature.

so the jews jumped at the chance which thence made the jews far richer than anyone else and so did their ability to afford to have more offspring. financial freedom gave them the opportunity to expand in every ways at the rate faster than anyone else.

This post has been edited by 99chan: Nov 17 2009, 12:20 AM

so from that, can i safely assume that race is very much a determinant for intelligence? after all how you were brought up often has a bearing to the norms practiced by the race youre part of. yes?

there is no universal scale that measures intelligence without the result skewed biasly.

true that the bushmen are the outliers here, so lets take them out of the context and compare those that are of the same given education, environmental factors and health conditions.

and take a look at stereotypes ie indians = doctors, chinese = accountants etc. these stereotypes should account for a certain degree of credibility for it to become a generalization right?

I'd say its practically impossible construct an experimental design to fully normalise for education, environment, health, etc given that the invididual experience is so varied. Apart from that how could any research design factor for individual traits like determination or sloth?

on the observed stereotypes e.g. indians = doctors, rubber tappers, paraquat suicides OR chinese = accountants, businessmen, ahlong victims: a lot of these arise from social conditions where the people from the group share common ethnic experiences/ influences. Indians more likely to be laywers & doctors because these are prestigious professions for that ethnicity (social) and their parents are more likely to be doctors/lawyers (family).

there's no reason to suspect genetic traits.

There are actually reasons to suspect genetic traits. IQ has their own probability distribution too, genetic-wise. In behavorial neuroscience, we came to a conclusion that behavorial traits affects strongly on IQ. Behaviour are strongly inherited bloodline-wise. Active behaviour over a certain field may cause active movements of a certain cerebral part of the brain, thus increasing their IQ on that specific fields. And behavorial traits are genetically inherited.

one of my niece.. 3 years old.. he could play piano(other song that he heard in TV) by just observing his mum play happy birthday to you and see the key and the notes

Ifthere is a link from genes -> traits -> behaviour -> IQ, how strong is causal link between each link in the chain?

Even if this is true (& I have reservations over "Behaviour are strongly inherited bloodline-wise") how far can these genes be applied to summarise racial IQ? Bear in mind also that even those who strongly identify with a certain race may not genetically be of pure race anyway.

I have a uni-friend back in Australia of Aborigine origin but adopted when few months old by a couple, foster-dad professor in Uni, foster-mom lawyer and he grows up to be 1 of the youngest CEO in the country today. I wont mention name but is this a good success measures not in blood-line but upbringing environment?

I always belief that if we were to sit for an IQ test set by the Aborigine way, I think we will all failed miserably with the lowest IQ fit for survival. So for the modernised societies to categorise the other societies that their races are of poor mental alertness or acuteness or intelligence for that matter is rather very lame and irresponsible.

It is as good as saying that a room full of Japanese/Koreans/Chinese has higher intelligence than a full room of Red Indian/Aborigine/Orang asli. Try and dump these two groups in a remote isolated island and see which group will last the longer.

My point is human being has always have an urge to strive for more in things they do, ie. more money, power, fame, etc. but these are for the societies that values them. As for "bushmen societies type" they will probably strive for more live-stock breeding, better crops output, better yield, etc. and so they will have their own intelligence to achieve that.

Stereotyping races is such an abhorrent act. Look at the malay race itself and you will see good example. There are more malays in SG and Indonesia that is so successful in business and studies compares to the locals here but can we categorise malay race as an incompetent race? The locals are as such bcos of forever handouts and non-competitive environment they are in, so forever they will rank 2nd class to their malays counterpart in other region of the world.

I think genes, DNA can really affect a person's IQ.
Race usually evolves and so does their genes..

I see a lot of people stereotyping genes = races. Every race has a different IQ variation graph - there are little people who has lower IQ, a lot with mediocre IQ and a little with high IQ over every races. So better genes are those people on the right side of the upside U graph.

How strong is the causal link? It varied, nobody knows. But I strongly agree that behavior is inherited genetically, and behavior controls the environment around a certain individual, causing IQ to be developed according to the behavior. But then, it's debatable, purely debatable.

This discussion will never end, seriously. Race and intelligence even have their own Wiki page. I'd rather cling to the fact that IQ is not a suitable yardstick to measure someone's intelligence. Different brains has different active sites, talents and environmental effects, thus there are no one fixed yardstick that can measure the max thinking capability of all humans.

http://www.iqleague.com/group/malaysia
maybe we can do a survey here!!
everyone do a test and please state it own age.IQ level
Race,and the higher education