Don't bring your preaching here. If you want to preach, do it in RWI.

Your post indicates nothing pertaining to the topic at hand. Why do we need to believe, you gave no explanation nor arguement to support your case? Hmph.

Rethorical questions, none of which have answers. We could banter back and forth about it for hours and come to no answer, simply because there ARE no answers. So, when you say its the most important thing one should hold, then you must be deluded and foolish. Just because something is important to you does not make it important to everybody else, therefore your failed arguement.

What makes you absolutely certain that there was a beginning? For all you know, we may be a continuation. Seriously, read the other pages before commenting blindly.

Cool it, friend We're not conducting a debate here.

And hazairi, every stand has a cause. To avoid irritation over something that might be disagreeable, you'd have to state your cause over your stand. Regardless what religion you are, or you may not need religion, you must have a cause for it. Personally, I don't like people who talks religiously, but doesn't know why they are into the religion. No offense please, this is just a personal opinion.

Why won't you try answering all the questions you stated yourself here？

What's the concrete proof that makes you think the creator exists?

The thing is, its bad enough some Muslim extremists have corrupted and destroyed the religious discussion thread in RWI. Are you trying to do the same here? Hence my statement, we don't need your preaching.

Maybe you don't understand what I was trying to convey. Sad.

Not concrete enough bro These are those arguments we call rhetorical, we need more specific and indepth cause. Read more, explore more.

Alright man, I'll stop. Strong as you deemed they were, I ain't one to sugarcoat my words just because wieners can't take it. Its a fact, and they know it, that's all.

As to get back on topic ;
Faith in religion is merely a pillar for which people hold on to. Some need it to get through life, some don't. I may be a Christian, but I don't solely depend on God to help me live my life.

What I meant is, YOU have to find concrete proof that the creator exists. There are so many possibilies conjured up by various philosophies that are against the concept of creator if you ask me, one of it is what we had been discussing earlier - existentialism.

But then, concrete proof that the creator exists is hard to find. Most people who believe in the creator does not know why they do so, especially people who inherited religions from their forefathers like Muslims, Buddhist etc. That's really sad.

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Added on November 17, 2009, 11:44 pm
there is no "creator" in buddhism, neither is there "holy energy". didn't you also say you "studied" many religions?

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Added on November 17, 2009, 11:53 pm

bolded sentence, congratulations, you just contradicted yourself in one post

moving on, since energy cant be created nor destroyed, it must have existed forever in different form.

please dont say it cant, for your so-called god existed forever too.

Wrong there, buddy. It's a theory and no one knows whether it's a fact yet. It's generally accepted in the scientific community even though it is very flawed. Try plasma cosmology...Though i admit i have yet to understand it fully, it is more plausible.
Smart usage of the word Creator. Einstein did not believe in God. It's good if you can make science & religion meet. Without bending either one to make the fit. Thus far, hasn't been achieved.

"Or maybe you have a concrete proof that the creator does not exist?"

Or maybe you have concrete proof that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist? There is no proof that God doesn't exist. There is no proof that God exists. You say you believe in science. You say you spread your truth. Obviously your reasoning is flawed. Your truths are misleading assumptions. Great job confusing people!

Oh, & just because so-and-so smart people believed in God does not mean they are right. They are highly intelligent but they strive to give a meaning to the things we see around us simply because they can't figure out how things began. This is called Aesthetics. & we all know that aesthetics are shallow