And the biggest mistake we will make is thinking that relying on something so-call almighty would actually make ourself smart

U are generalizing here
Not every christian as obedient to god like what u think, same goes to not all atheist the same like they all afraid of dying and feel no meaning of life or whatsoever
There are many diff kind of ppl out there, i believe i dont need to tell u all this but just as reminder.
Dont sounds like everyone the same and all atheist is actually dont believe in god and think that living in this world is meaningless
Me as an example for u, live in this world without religion, probably dont need one later on, get myself to live my life to the fullest to enjoy my way of living, sometimes i do wonder if there is a god i will thanks him, but not thinking that he actually grant me of this, just think im lucky.
For those ppl u say who fail their life, maybe they do need a religion.
But how can u ensure religion promise a life after death?
It do mention in most of the religion teaching, but after all it still goes back to the question,
whether is truth or belief.
Religion is a belief of ur ownself, its possible that a life after death is not exist, and ur "soul"(provided that there's one) will go to the same place or vanish like atheist, this is possible thru
So u cant really ensure there is life after death, thats why ppl out thr who afraid of dying(consider me as well) still dont get themselves into religion when understanding this possibility

If u are as what u mention, and able to stand out from the border and look at it as a whole
u should able to realize it is very logical that this happen because there some human out thr directly or indirectly add their own rules into it regardless what their intentions are.

We can go ahead and think something like: Actually, those are god's arrangement, everything is god's plan, god know what best..... bla bla bla
Well yeah, regardless the possibility of such a thing, we would not consider of such thing unless it is proven god exist at the first place
So as a conclusion i stick to the point saying that some human add their own rules, furthermore since the partially diff believe and branches are not only one, so i would say there are more than one people try to make their religion go (maybe a little bit) to the path that they want

Thats why conflict happen and such thing as humiliate or look down on other religious view happen.
I agree on what he say but not 100%, as the issue u mention is part of thing that create religion war nowadays.
If there is only one religion, maybe....

religion = guidance/regulation/control, however,
guidance/regulation/control =/= religion.

U forgotten about law, ethics, conscience, and morality.
If there is no law, the person in ur example will not worry anything bout being caught (by bukit aman?) and got into jail, he will most like afraid of being into hell after life.
And the thing that tell what is right and wrong is known as ethics.
If u think that religion is the only thing in this world provide absolute rights about things, then naturally u think that people without religion are mostly get involve in illegal activities and commits sins all the time.

Refer to my reply above.
It is a question on what do u absorb and think regarding the content of the signboard.

If the signboard write *destination u wan to go*, so u will just follow it and go to that road?
If u think logically, u should understand that this signboard is come from no where, u can believe it but cannot say for sure it will lead to the place u wan to go.

Again, science and religion are not the two main things run over this world

This is one great example like saying continue with the advancement of technology and this world would become exactly the same as Resident Evil in the future.

In what sense u think a movie/novel/story, with storyline create and control by the author in the way he/she want, can be use to think that human nature is as violent as u say?

People in this world that live their life without religion does not mean they will go against every good teaching in religion,
u should always bear in mind that religion is not the only thing in this world,
we still have virtue, ethics, moral, etc etc.

Therefore, u are almost the same as conclude that swim deeper into the sea and u awake and provoke piranhas to swin up to the surface of the sea for great disaster to happen.

Edit:
Plus, i remember hearing some religious people said something like...
people without religion tend to live in darkness and always feel emptiness, lost of hope, and so on.
But u really gotta find out, how many people in this world live their in a colorful way without religion.

Of course there are people who lost their hope of living,
but religion is not the answer for that.

This post has been edited by anti-informatic: Nov 15 2010, 03:42 AM

More sounds like u are the one unable to understand my previous main point.

What i said about resident evil and the story u said earlier are "IDEA",
how can u assume that the story is the truth in the future?
Thats why im saying that if u do it that way we can all conclude that technology advancement cause resident evil, swim deeper into the sea provoke piranhas, etc.

Too bad,
there are many places without religion while war dont happen.

Do u have more supporting fact for that?
Dont say something like <country name> is now having war because lack of religion because it is not relevant.

Dude, as a researcher in past history of social psychology, let me tell u certain facts.

Not all patients that deal with psyhoclogical problem or any mental disorder face with hatred, melancholy and other negative thingy deep inside their heart.
And those are not the main problem that cause all these.
Aside of that, i can tell u that most cases i studied, they are very normal human being that face psychological problem and thats all,
there is nothing hollow or devilish like how u sound.
Plus, always bear in mind that, the newspaper never report any happy news that happen all around us,
this means, the newspaper is not telling u that this world is full of sadness and tragedy, it is just reporting some of the news happen in part of this world.
Same thing.
Lets say, 10,000 people in one country, 30% may have psychological problem, this is what we concern.
But dont forget that 70% of those are normal people.

Next, talk abut observing human behavior, i must know do u have any qualification to ensure that u got the proper method and skill to understand how to understand human behavior?
If the answer is no, whatever u saying here is simply prejudice and ur negative thinking of humanity.
Try to answer this question, in what sense u think u ensure that people have lesser love than hate? Can u ensure most people suffer silent hatred or whatsoever?
If the answer is "no" or "not sure", again u are just doing prejudicial talk and judging things entirely by surface.
I bet no one can give a good answer of yes or no for ur question, dont sounds like u may know it by any chance either.

Bold: That is one illness i seen in "some" of the talk of the believers

I somehow agree on someone earlier saying that people choose religion for an easier way to seek for direction.
As we can see, there are people who live on till they dead without religion and with religion,
there is no way anyone can do comparison on which type of people leading a better life because in the end everyone still doing what they want to do for their own reason.

Plus, im kinda bored of those mindsets thinking that without religion this world = total chaos,
just like a video i saw on utube talking about without religion, people will do all types of silly things like practicing abortion, free sex, even as far as burning those religious people,
which i see it as a really serious issues and strongly doubt what these people actually gain from their belief.

Think highly of own religion is one problem, but thinking that others is so much lower compare to ownself is definitely the way to make ownself as a lowly being in this world regardless how great they think they are.

What type of fact is this?
If u sure that this is the fact, do u have any facts or theory to support it?

Because u have forgotten people that was homosexual before and become normal once again, means they are not born as homosexual but became that after some event.

Again, how can u prove that?
U can say that religion bring hapiness and encourage positive thinking but u gotta look into how many patient with terminal illness in the past are not religious and they still rest in peace afterall

Reminder: If u gonna use "facts" or "prove" again later, pls make sure u provide source and theories as well

Bold: Have u forgotten to quote that part of u purposely repeat what i said?

There is nothing much to argue if one cannot prove that people are born with homosexual genetics at the first place.

Plus, what is this entire homosexual genetics thingy have anything to do with religion thread?

Bold: Previously my main point is homosexual got no relation with genetics, so i ask the speaker for prove regarding genetics stuff.

Another important thing is, u should read back the previous few replies especially bout what i said because i was the one doubt this idea not the one support it

Im asking him/her to explain in a way that giving fact/theories at the same time, instead of keep saying lots of things based on nothing or assumptions.
And actually i dun really bother when he/she truly give out theories/prove to support what he/she said.
While in the end, i did ask what is all this related to religion, which the main thing i doubt is the relation between his/her statement and religion