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Philosophy Do Human Need Religion?, some people say they can live without it

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post Feb 20 2010, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(sheldon2105 @ Feb 20 2010, 07:29 AM)
Hello again,
                I think we may end up arguing semantics, or there could be a language barrier between us, so I would like to be clear about my beliefs.
I consider myself a spiritual individual...not a religious one. As a result, my spiritual beliefs differ from those of religionists. I know that the word "Spirituality" has taken on a disreputable meaning. Charlatans, magicians, and psychics are but a few of the derogatory descriptors. Some even call spirituality "new age mysticism", although, most spiritually based practices, like Paganism for example, pre-date most known religions...if not all of them.

For me, spirituality is...awareness. It is the realization that all of this was created; That there is a Creator; That we know absolutely nothing about who or what that Creator is.
For me, religion is the opposite of this. My belief in a Creator is not synonymous with religion. Is it necessary that one be religious to believe in something greater than himself? I do not think so.

As to the question of necessity...it is not necessary for me. My life has been decided by my own choices therefore, there is no need for me to look outside of myself for direction. I choose to explore my spirituality because I think it connects us to this planet, to each other and to the universe itself. We are made of the same stuff and that intrigues me.
As to the question of God...I do not believe in the conventional God of scripture. As I said, I know absolutely nothing about what or who created all of this. I simply know that it was created. I base that on a rational line of thought that I will explain, if I may?

I posit that existence is the antithesis of non-existence. Existence, then, cannot simply spring forth from non-existence without an external influence. Therefore, something created existence. I do not presume to know what or who that was, only that it is so.

The importance of a God then does not matter to me since my belief rests on the postulate I mentioned above. I believe that everything was created...whether that was by what people refer to as God remains to be seen.
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Isn't that as simple as free thinker but why call it spiritual and that op for the definition of spirit as you have to explain. The term non believer seems like people who don't agree with the believer and don't sounds right either. I share your way of life, we have law, rules and regulations to govern our behavior so I don't need to follow anything or anyone unless my life is at stake that I must believe in something that cannot be explained or stop / close for discussion or improvement.
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post Mar 30 2010, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Mar 30 2010, 12:00 PM)
People will always believe in religion regardless of what happen. If they do not worship a diety the will worship things or other people. That is the amazing the about human. Perhaps you should question why people had the tendency to worship.
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Because we know so little and the big IF can be anything imaginable, afraid that everything we do is wasted.
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post Nov 15 2010, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(kaoshi @ Nov 15 2010, 07:29 PM)
as for me, everyone needs religion as me myself do believe in the existance of God. furthermore, its the only way that can truly unites people from diffrent races and background of life.
after all, religion guides the everyone away from wrongdoings, if only they do really devoted to their religion.
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How does religion unite different race? It caused war so far.
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:14 AM

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I would say 50/50 and the negative part is usually hidden until provoked, so the normal behavior is what we see, try not to derive a yes or no and right or wrong attitude because no one can win since non can convince each other with qualification and proof.

Beginning to sound like ego talk.

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post Nov 20 2010, 03:23 AM

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I don't need a religion but I believe in my ability and ready to face death, my conscience is my only guide. I do believe we are created but not necessary by god.
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post Nov 26 2010, 04:43 PM

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I don't believe there is god means I think there is no god, its not a believe. No worshiping and no one above me only nature and behavior at work.
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post Nov 28 2010, 03:50 PM

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This is why statistics cannot be absolute, just because bad things didn't happen around us, we thought it is save until we were hit. Just because we don't show our bad side, people thought we are friendly, much like this forum.
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post Dec 2 2010, 07:43 PM

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The killing is much slower than new born, you can't count the number of good and bad.
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post Dec 4 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Dec 4 2010, 09:53 AM)
So how about the evil in this world, the atrocities and crimes humans commit? Where do they come from?
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They come from each and everyone of us, the balance we try to keep, the urge we try to contain and falling behind will lead to the bad side. I see you keep defending that there are more good than evil like a decent person would but you are in denial. I would agree with your point of view long time ago and my living experience tells me how ugly human can be. Friends, relative and family member can turn against you.
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post Dec 6 2010, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Dec 6 2010, 09:05 PM)
'people who can think properly needs religion.'

who are we, where we come from, where are we going etc questions =)
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When you make such statement, you are saying people who don't have religion can't think properly, yet you claim to be doing good being good. Which part of your religion deny the choice of others?

In science we ask what are we, how we evolve and create the future, all are more relevant to our daily life even without having to believe in the unknown, don't need to think about heaven or hell.
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post Dec 6 2010, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(il0ve51 @ Dec 6 2010, 10:19 PM)
in fact, many people get psychological support from religion
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People who have no sense of direction do rely on religion, have no personal standing in many issues of life and choose to believe is easier than seek continuous knowledge. To me its an excuse, how does that make you feel from someone who can't think properly?
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post Dec 7 2010, 01:39 PM

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Everything we see is science not "sign", buildings, bridges, schools, hospital, car, the computer you are using to express in cyberspace. Religion is only at the church / temple / mosque or "na tok kong" under a tree.

lives still goes on without religion but cannot if without science, unless you are saying without religion people will go crazy and create chaos.
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post Dec 7 2010, 05:14 PM

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If only the religious people can ration the way you put it, they often think those atheist are not complete, lost something or lack of certain thing they have gained through religion and think highly of themselves, pure, decent... status in their mind or among their kind.

It is discriminating to declare its the proper way and they can't even keep the balance with their conduct in a public forum yet want to make statements.
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post Dec 11 2010, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Dec 11 2010, 07:55 PM)
Whether God exists or not does not matter, what matters is why God exists.
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Because who what why things are created, god is easier to call and understand, if nature is the creator, people in the past don't have the intelligence to describe it properly, even till now, many people don't understand what is system but they defend there is god.
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post Dec 12 2010, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(light_type @ Dec 12 2010, 03:21 PM)
religion is not a human made tool as some would think of. It's already planted as a way connecting humans and the other dimension. It can be hidden, or revealed to humanity. Whatever that I speak now is something acknowledged to me.

it's either the religion will serve as humans knowledge or didn't attract them.
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How do you know its planted? You been to the other dimension? Whatever that you speak now is you own assumption, I like to advise you not to make a fool of yourself if you can't provide proper argument, this part of the forum is for people who know the limit and understand the difference not for people to say they believe.
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post Dec 14 2010, 12:48 PM

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Which religion allow you to change it? Go do it then come back to tell us your success story.
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post Dec 14 2010, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(tzmmalaysia @ Dec 14 2010, 01:59 PM)
So your logic is that if an establishment supports false information, even though people know about it, they should keep quiet and be obedient? Religion is big not because of the information it presents, but the amount of people that supports it, even though some of the information is not logic. By presenting factual information, more and more people will reject the superstitious part of religions. Atheists have been growing due to these information. However, there's also a problem with atheists because they reject religions blindly without consideration of humane values, and they don't respect religions. That's why a neutral and humane approach must be used on religions, for the benefit of everyone.
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You are so wrong to speak for the atheist or religious with narrow assumptions. If you try, you might get yourself killed and die achieving nothing, no one is able to stop the war and your stupidity can?
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:51 PM

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I have not heard religion can straighten a homo... person, which and how?

 

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