Of course I know that. But you are stating there is nothing wrong with the moral values of atheists, right?

I like to think that there exists many said higher powers (or none at all), so pick yours and stick with it eh?


How do people know that a multitude of heavens don't exist eh?

for me,sure need religion,because they teach us some moral.

Not only some... They teach us alot of Moral Values

But does moral values ONLY come from religions?

Religion provides a solution for humankind that is curious in its nature of questioning the person behind all these thing that we seen, like the universe, earth, etc. Because the people feels like there should be 'the one' that creates and manage all the thing in life and also a feeling of security that there are 'a higher order' brings about the need of religion among people.

Also, religion unites people from various geographical locations, ethnic, races and strata under one single belief. While the most important factor would be it teaches good value and moral, something that distinguishes the human from other living beings.

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Added on January 29, 2010, 12:11 pmThis is not kopitiam, please do away with such replies.

This post has been edited by SevenTwentyOne: Jan 29 2010, 12:11 PM

moral values have to come within our own selves..no other people can teach us that.

but i guess believing in God makes us feel more at ease..

Religion provides basic moral guides for early civilizations to kick start humanity. But now, like a child on a tricycle, we just rise and stroll away.

Religion and unity is just an illusion. It comforting to know that there is another group of person believing in a same God on the other part of the globe. But U are divided by nationalism and capitalism, amongst other things that religion are powerless to handle.

Good values and moral teaching can be found not only in religion. U can draw example from the order that the ancient Greek have. Their superior social heirarchy and the invention of Democracy.

religion is essential to human
otherwise there are no boundaries for human action
religion set human on 'good' path.... but some religion is too loose.. because its human made

Lets see... religion provides the basis for human morality. but as life goes on, this role of religion is easily replaceable by democracy, moral education, and role models.

Today, religion may still play its role, but certain believers who are too devoted namely EXTREMISTS makes the world a horrible place to live in. I'd say, religion... is good to a certain extent, but its still needed to shape a moral society.

Religion constantly reminds humans about the afterlife, thus controlling them to do less evil, so they won't suffer in the afterlife.

Religion is needed to this extent, that is what i think anyway.

so long as humans are irrational, illogical, religion is needed as a control and policing system.

religion is really2 essential for human to give some path way in his life. without it you will feel like no direction..like meaningless to live in this world. although, we as a human has the responsibility to our creature..we must to obey Him and follow His lead...we need to praise Him in no matter in time.. through this u will be blessing by Him and we will be given a Heaven as our immortal life after this..i know some of u will think that this is ridiculous or whatever,but bear in mind that our life in this world is not a game, there will have a Judgment Day, a day that we will be asking what we have done in this world, good or bad.. if u is good man , Heaven is your place otherwise Hell is your place to live FOREVER.

hope we will find our right path..

I'm a little confused.

What exactly is "religion" ?
(a)Does having a religion = believing in a supernatural deity IE God?
OR
(b)Does having a religion simply mean having a set of principles which we follow in our daily life?

If its (a) then I think religion is not needed
1. Having someone who can forgive all our wrongs, is just a bad excuse for people to commit wrongs in the first place.
2. Having an extra "person" to protect/defend is just an extra cause for disputes. Some may say that "god" does not need defending.. tell that to someone who has insulted your "god". Even insults to friends have caused major disputes, what more a "god", a figure you respect, uphold, love.
3. Having a "god" but requiring other HUMAN beings to dictate what the "god" requires is like having to ask your sister/brother what your parents want you to do. Your parents might not have wanted you to do anything, but your brother/sister could make you do things for them by just saying "mum/dad said", without you checking with your parents.

If its (b) on the other hand, the answers get a little more complicated.
This is because, misinterpretation of the fundamental teachings occur.
Nearly ALL religions have the same fundamental teachings, which stems from basic human nature which is to coexist with each other and the world. That part of religion is NEEDED. But all the extra, is UNNEEDED.

for preaching, please go to bvnb

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Added on February 11, 2010, 2:28 pmit is a mixture of (a) and (b); religion need (a) in order to achieve (b) for some people needed to believe in an all knowing being/system that you cant hide from and know all yourdeeds to prevent them from being mischievous.

god is kinda like santa in that aspect. he know what you are doing, and if you end up in his naughty list, no xmas present for you!

This post has been edited by lin00b: Feb 11 2010, 02:28 PM

is this what u learn in sunday school or in church?

Religion to me is just another Moral class in school. But human do not NEED religion. It's merely whether you want to embrace it or not. However I detest most of these people, particularly Christians (No offense, like I said, most not all) because they just can't seem to think how other people (non-believers in their dictionary) would react to them acting like they are the superior beings.

Example one, my aunt converted to a christian and then started to believe whatever it is they teach her at the church, then after awhile she started to get brainwashed and insulting her family's beliefs (Who are buddhists), and then proceeded to throw the incense and stuff away from the altar. One of her family members died, at the funeral she kept saying out loud that the rite is useless and all that. People there weren't happy already and yet she rubbed salt into the wound even more so.

Religion can be a good thing when proper education is given to the follower, however most churches in Malaysia nowadays are just screwed up.

Some human do need religion,

but not me i'm fine without it

No, don't make sweeping statements. However the grain of truth in that is very correct. Plenty of people go to church for reasons other than worshipping God. I can list networking, potential business deals, news and so forth amongst them. Perhaps, the blame can go to the follower because interpretation matters alot in respect to religion. As per how the middle-eastern terrorists percieve Muslim teachings to make them uhh..explode themselves, others can misinterpret it and be wayward.


Morals do just as good a job of educating the masses, BUT, when people have something to fear (think going to hell) they will comply. The same rationale can be used in regards with a child and discipline. You don't cane him, he's going to be spoilt. But, there are those who use religion as a pillar for their daily lives, so its all good right?


What matters is doing good and being happy, not whether you believe in God or not.

Sure if you want it to be your pillar for dependency it's all good I have no objections. Only and if only that person is sensible enough to think for himself what is wrong and what is right.

And yes it doesn't matter whether you believe in God or not. Being a proper decent person does not count on being religious. One just has to be sensible.

But when you see things like people fight over the use of a particular word, it just irks me a whole lot. Just because of religion you people start fighting amongst yourselves. It's already enough that we have racism, but we have to have to fight religion against religion as well?

Oh and then I find it funny that even Christians can fight amongst their own kind when it comes to their own belief.

To me, religion in the past hasn't been a dependable way to be a decent person no matter how many people turn out to be good following it and it isn't a dependable method now even more so because each one has their own perception at interpreting it.

I rather be a sensible person rather than a religious person.

And to people who don't wish to depend on their brains and wants to depend on some texts. Try Code of Ethics , that'll work better for sure.