invisible superpowered beings are after my souls (which is invisible). woohoo, i never knew i'm that important

Something for you guys to ponder.

Who is satan, Who is god?
Are you sure you are praying to GOD or SATAN?
Humans are killing humans in the name of God? Isnt that Satan's teaching?

Actually I like the movie REAPER.... so true...

Don't you feel weird when you tell other people (not from your religion) that only your religion can go to heaven while other's will go to hell. Are you sure the hell/heaven you are talking about is the same hell/heaven?

Me, personally very sceptical about God. But, yet there's so many miracle and strange (very strange) thing happen in the world that we cant ignore that god exist.

Believing God gives human the motivation and creativity to create/invent/evolve into something that no other species in earth are capable to be.

On the other hand, In the name of God. The hatred, wars and bloodshed that it's bring are unimagineable.

Good questions. Those are the questions I hope believers ask themselves before trying to convert anyone.

However, I would like to comment that those things that are currently unexplainable might one day be explained. Just because there are currently no explanations to them does not mean they are "miracles". There are no evidence that can support a "miracle" (at least I don't think so. The Catholic Church thinks there are), but reasoning is almost always supported by evidence.

Additionally, believing in god does not "motivate humans to evolve." Evolution of any species has no direction. No matter how hard you try to fly, you won't be able to. However, if you are talking about inventing and using tools, then motivation can do that, but I will still argue that one does not need god as their motivation to do so. Survival itself is a strong enough motivation.

i beg to differ on the bolded point (while i think the rest is good )

"there was a time when the church ruled the world and it was called the dark ages". haha niffty quote from someone i forgot.

anyway i disagree with the point that believing in a god makes humans more inventive and creative

no doubt there r ppl like that but god is not the sole reason.

it is MY opinion, that if there was a religious authority that asserts that it has the truth, how can ppl be inventive and creative if their studies conflicts with religion.

etc, when it was discovered the world was round, how that idea was suppressed so vehemently during that time.

and i bet that because of the religious authorities, many didnt even dare to discover if the world was flat or not because they either couldnt think outside of what they were thought or even if they did, the religious authorities wont approve of it.

at least god give u a motivated brain to think He do not exist.

This post has been edited by kubing: Dec 30 2009, 06:13 AM

"Believing God gives human the motivation and creativity to create/invent/evolve into something that no other species in earth are capable to be"

Let me give you some example. Where's all the great film come from? Van Hellsing, Exorcist, Journey to the West, andDa vinci code ...etc... hehehe..all motivate/creativity/idea.

Ok, more serious note. Human marked time/create cloak to pray their GOD. All Pyramid was build due to religion purposes, mayan egyptian etc. This creativity help the foundation of modern building.

Chinese read the stars to understand the universe (religious way). Galileo build telescope to proof the church that earth is not the center of universe. islam was formed to united the arabs (althought not long) and many many more....

small miracles in a pool of hate and suffering aint something id call "god" worthy to be honest.

the debate on god vs satan is boring, half the people who are against satanism dont even know half the roots of mordern satanism.

if i told them that hey a chunk of satanism was created by the church to go against the scandanivian religions at one period of time their brain will crash.

100% agree. no doubt.

And god clearly did not gift you with rational thinking skills to come up with your own ideas and arguments. Nor English lessons. He gave me the duty of stimulating rational thoughts among the masses while he made you a blind follower of ancient books and non-existent entities.

You must admit, he loves me more. You can't say god is indifferent.

That may be true, but religion often also acted counter productively to human progress. Instead of seeking rational, explainable reasons to certain phenomena, religions have often times tried to use god as an explanation, suppressing progress. Many examples including the teaching of Creationism in science classes, denying the Earth revolves around the Sun, opposing stem cell research among others. Not to mention the number of preventable deaths from AIDS just by using condoms.

Looking at history, there's good, there's bad. But looking ahead, I would hate to imagine a world without condoms, without stem cell research, and the abolition of the teaching of evolutionary theory. You can't deny that if religion would have it 100% their way, this would only be the beginning of the end of rationalism.

haha.. Yes... He Love everything because He have create every single thing in universe. even smelly shit of yours was created by Him.

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Added on December 31, 2009, 11:03 amAl-Quran Translations in English Language
Translations by Abdullah Yusuf Ali
He Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between, in six days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): Allah Most Gracious: ask thou, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things).

This post has been edited by kubing: Dec 31 2009, 11:03 AM

hey guys,

should i close this topic? seemed that everyone already have their conclusions.

please do. you have 3-4 topics going on and on about hte same thing. all should be gatheredi n the RWI sticky

for your info, this is the only topic i opened in phd school.

i'll just wait until this topic die eventually anyway.

its getting damn boring ... the arguement will go around and around as the religious ppl will dogmatically believe what the want to believe no matter how good the atheist arguement against their believes.


But again in Malaysia, religion is so important to keep ppl separeted which enables the government have their monarchy control over the country.


They dont want the mala chinese and indian to stand together ... so religion must exist.

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Added on January 10, 2010, 12:34 pmits getting damn boring ... the arguement will go around and around as the religious ppl will dogmatically believe what the want to believe no matter how good the atheist arguement against their believes.


But again in Malaysia, religion is so important to keep ppl separeted which enables the government have their monarchy control over the country.


They dont want the mala chinese and indian to stand together ... so religion must exist.

This post has been edited by akidos: Jan 10 2010, 12:34 PM

Hello my dear, people have been living without religion since time immemorial. Religion is a fairly new concept when it comes to how long humanity has been on Earth. They still survived, right?

When we come to the concept of modern atheism vs lack of the need for religion, I personally think that Atheists now would not be saying the same thing that they would be saying now had they been alive before the advent of religion (that's BEFORE monotheism and deism mind you)- because they would be the same type of barbarians living in tribes regardless of whether they believe in religion or not. How is any human to act with proper decorum if he does not receive wisdom or enlightenment from a different, non-human source ?

I believe that God revealed religion to man (in the form of the Torah, Injeel and Quran) because well, man were kinda effed up at some point of time and needed guidance back onto how to actually become proper human beings (and which divine source to actually prostrate to).

Modern atheists are only making the claim that they are able to live as morally righteous human beings without the need for religion because they already KNOW of the existence of what is accepted as morally right or wrong (with the exception of a few, like, gay laws)- and it's not like they have any choice to act contrary to what is accepted anyway- there's jail for that too. It's like, using level 5 hax because they didn't need to do the previous quests to unlock lv 5 DIVINE ENLIGHTENMENT.

Are you then arguing that religion is out of date and was once useful, but not anymore? Because we have already gotten what we should get from it?

Erm no. There is more to what constitutes religion than JUST morality. Duh.

PS: Don't bother asking me to prove it. If you're interested, you can easily google to find out more about each religion online. Good luck with the reading though, lol.

This post has been edited by teh tarik satu: Jan 15 2010, 11:57 PM

Israel is the so-called country that was once Palestine but have been given to Jewish people who fled out.
Jews is a religion, their religion is called Judaism

Israel ppl doesnt necessarily mean Judaism ppl only, there are Christian Jews and Muslim Jews...But they were originally Palestinians

Study first before make incorrect statements.


Who are you? Are you that qualified to determine who is Satan who is God?

Are you sure we don't?

There are a bunch more killings made NOT in the name of God! Does it fits morality?
You personally are skeptical of His existence, yet you can't ignore that God exists?

Motivation can come from various aspects such as wealth, power, opposite sex, status and so on. Why is it you highlight only motivation in God?

Did you look up the meaning of the word miracle in the first place?


Morality defers from one place to another....Why not you run nude? It is acceptable right in some parts of this world and there is an event for that...

Don't try to convince people that Morality and Religion is the same thing...which is certainly not.


p/s; this kinda thread is actually nothing more than a mirror of the current thread at RWI

Erm... huh? I think you had best reread my post. I never said that morality = religion. lol.

wrong. jews are jews, judaism is judaism. they are closely related but not the same. read ethnoreligionism

*cough cough* jews were never palestinians and palestinians were never jews.

study 1st before making incorrect statements