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post Nov 12 2009, 05:46 PM, updated 15y ago

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McLaren,Williams,Sauber want PETRONAS !

F1 McLaren want PETRONAS to be their partner
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/mobil-1-...rawn-12563.html

F1 Williams want PETRONAS to be their partner

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/williams...onas-11844.html

currently LOTUS EVORA now already win Dewar Trophy for Technical Excellence,
U.K.’s AutoCar named the Evora the “Driver’s Car of the Year,”
CAR magazine announced it as their “Performance Car of the Year.”
EVO magazine announce LOTUS EVORA“Car of the Year”
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4 best titles in a row beaten Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Porsche.. so what next?? smile.gif

LOTUS F1 RACING really want PETRONAS to be their partner in F1 project
QUOTE(official LOTUS F1 Racing CEO statement about wanting PETRONAS MALAYSIA TO BE OFFICIAL PARTNER)
"We knew that a lot of other teams had also looked to Petronas and I wouldn't be surprised if the entire F1 grid had approached them, because from our understanding Petronas was not obliged to remain as sponsor of Sauber. Everyone basically knew that this was the last year of Petronas with Sauber," - LOTUS F1 RACING CEO, Riad Asmat

"We have offered a deal that encompasses a lot in terms of development of liquid technology, the transfer of knowledge, we will also use their fuel in the cars and so on. It is basically the same as what they had when it was Sauber-Petronas, but couldn't do when BMW owned the team," - LOTUS F1 RACING CEO, Riad Asmat

"We know we are competing against a lot of other teams with our proposal. Hopefully, we come out tops." - LOTUS F1 RACING CEO, Riad Asmat

source : http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/art...ticle/art_print

reason why PETRONAS enter F1 in this official PETRONAS statement during official BMW pull-out from F1
QUOTE(OFFICIAL STATEMENT by PETRONAS MOTORSPORTS)
MEDIA STATEMENT

PETRONAS Motorsports
MEDIA STATEMENT
30 July, 2009

PETRONAS was informed of the decision by the BMW Group yesterday to discontinue its participation in Formula One at the end of the 2009 season and fully respects the decision made by the BMW Group.

PETRONAS’ involvement in Formula One with the BMW Sauber F1 Team has been that of a strategic partnership, to complement the company’s branding and business marketing objectives through the areas of premium branding efforts; technological expertise enhancements as well as capability development through the various business linkages and opportunities.

This partnership has elevated PETRONAS’ brand positioning around the world and resulted in significant acquisition of knowledge and expertise in technology as well as product development.

PETRONAS conducts a regular review of its position and participation in motorsports with the objective of providing continuous strategic support towards its global business expansion efforts.

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source : http://www.petmos.com.my/en/Events---Featu...-STATEMENT.aspx

fanmade video about PETRONAS and PROTON engineering works


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how LOTUS F1 RACING can get PETRONAS as LOTUS official partner hmm.gif

1) most likely if LOTUS F1 RACING want PETRONAS, they must make the F1 car look like below, PETRONAS corporate GREEN, WHITE and GREY colour
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PETRONAS TOM'S in FORMULA NIPPON in Japan, collaboration with official TOYOTA LEXUS tuner, TOM'S and TOYOTA MOTORSPORTS

2) make special engine development department for PETRONAS engineers in Sepang.. like before have Sauber PETRONAS Engineering AG (SPE)
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the above engine product is the result of Sauber PETRONAS Engineering AG (SPE) works in F1

Sauber PETRONAS Engineering AG (SPE), PETRONAS' joint venture with Formula One partner Red Bull Sauber Holding AG, provides PETRONAS with an effective platform for the promotion of research and development and the development of indigenous technological capabilities in the field of automotive engineering within the Group. The partnership helps to enhance PETRONAS' knowledge base and expertise in engines, fuel and lubricants as well as composite technology through the effective transfer of technology.

maybe can name it PETRONAS LOTUS Engineering (PLE) Bhd., as PETRONAS core business is in the field of petroleum and oil lubricants, engine research is very important furthermore F1 is more towards engine development research, when PETRONAS want to enter F1, PETRONAS already in talk with YAMAHA to buy the YAMAHA V10 engine patent and do engineering works on the engine.
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no committed advance high performance engine research then its not a good car yet!

3) make many nice merchandise that have PETRONAS logo and attracts more kids to support the team like below
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4) make PETRONAS sponsored car in game like Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsports like below that will appear in PC game, Xbox and SONY PS3
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5) make make PETRONAS racing model, can cooperate with TAMIYA that PETRONAS did at Japan from SUPER GT involvement!
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6) invite PETRONAS engineering partner like Ricardo Engineering from England and if can BOSCH from Germany to join the project, BOSCH can contribute in electronic engineering research while Racardo Engineering can contribute in engine engineering research together with PETRONAS engineers, and also Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS students.
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7) invite IBM or Fujitsu or INTEL or AMD or NEC (any good ICT company to make supercomputer to help the research on the aerodynamic, electronic, mechanical, engine research

8) special media centre for PETRONAS MOTORSPORTS in Sepang, and up-to-date with the all the F1 development.

9) invite more local Malaysia company and engineers to involve in F1 project so they can gain the experience, technology transfer for better future

10) make fan base at least in Malaysia, England, Japan and Germany.. a special website that have at least 4 languages for better marketing purpose.

11) invite TOKAI UNIVERSITY in Japan, CRANFIELD UNIVERSITY in England, Queen's University Belfast in Ireland, Johann Wolfgang Goethe-University Frankfurt in Germany to join the project as they have experiene in the field of racing motorsports, science, technology and also petroleum, oil, lubricants research.. scout the talented engineers in Germany especially in Munich (BMW F1 engine factory) and Cologne (Panasonic Toyota F1 program) that already out of F1 next season for benefit of the team and also to transfer their knowledge to local Malaysian engineers and local universities.. give them opportunity and tax reduction to buy home in Malaysia, ISKANDAR CITY, PROTON CITY if they are really committed to contribute to Malaysia engineering success.

12) take one Japanese F1 driver for PETRONAS marketing purpose in Japan.. Kamui Kobayashi is a good F1 racer! smile.gif

Kamui Kobayashi vs Jenson Button (current season 2009 champion Jenson Button beaten by Initial D overtaking style move!)

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The G will announce >90000 % tax if Petronas partner with them
But tax free if partner with Proton

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"If Petronas can sponsor a foreign F1 team, why the national petroleum company should not sponsor a local team?" - said Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, AirAsia deputy chief executive

"When the 1MRT put up an advertisement in September to fill up 225 posts, we received over 6,500 applications and most of them are from Malaysian engineering experts currently working abroad. They are excited with the Malaysian-owned Lotus F1 Racing and are willing to work at a lower pay. This will enable us to lower the cost," - said Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, AirAsia deputy chief executive

"The same goes for the Lotus F1 Racing. This is a project of the Malaysian people and its success at the podium will be shared by all. Bear in mind that we start from scratch, from the expertise right to the F1 race car design" - said Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, AirAsia deputy chief executive

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newssport.php?id=454671

AirAsia offer this.. JAMINAN TEPAT MASA
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Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, AirAsia deputy chief executive at the left

F1 is not an easy business even Porsche, Lamborghini, Jaguar, Honda, BMW pull out from it.. but somehow Ferrari, Williams, McLaren are very dominant in F1.. and now Red Bull which before official partner to PETRONAS in Sauber and also Brawn GP that their technical director Ross Brawn is from Ferrari is looking very good!

Red Bull is very clever, in year 2006, more than 3 BILLION Red Bull cans were sold in over 130 countries.. they have a very good long-term business strategy in F1 and other motorsports to promote their brand, in F1 they have 2 teams called Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso! nod.gif

Red Bull Racing F1
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Toro Rosso F1
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both also sponsored by Red Bull cool2.gif

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post Nov 12 2009, 06:23 PM

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Better go with mclaren.
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post Nov 12 2009, 06:24 PM

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potong enjin + lotus chasis + petornas fuel + alex yoong = win
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QUOTE(daruma @ Nov 12 2009, 06:24 PM)
potong enjin + lotus chasis + petornas fuel + alex yoong = win
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they only want the money.
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to whoever is jhjkhsgfg whoever he is

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support us the small rally team...we cannot go further since our budget is limited...we dont need that much money...we need around 6k per round...haih...
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Nice,tech transfer rclxms.gif
Hope it will work well smile.gif
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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Nov 12 2009, 05:50 PM)
The G will announce >90000 % tax if Petronas partner with them
But tax free if partner with Proton
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confirm happen la, G is the specialist in this field brows.gif
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post Nov 12 2009, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(RAC1NGengine @ Nov 12 2009, 05:46 PM)

2) make special engine development department for PETRONAS engineers in Sepang.. like before have Sauber PETRONAS Engineering AG (SPE)
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the above engine product is the result of Sauber PETRONAS Engineering AG (SPE) works in F1
Actually the 4cyl EO1w engine had nothing in common with technology available in F1 at the time. Can't credit SPE's F1 programme to the 4 cyl engine. The technologies featured in the EO1w engine was already available in 4cyl engines at the time.


Unfortunately Petronas is only interested in their commercial bottomline. If they were indeed nationalistic (you think they would because they are a GLC) they would have done something to assist motorsport development in Malaysia. Unfortunately there was no growth locally despite their 12 year involvement in the pinnacle of motorsport. Estimates say they've spent billions of ringgit in F1 related activities over the years which has certainly benefitted Petronas. I'm sure they would have jumped at the chance to sponsor something like A1 Team Malaysia if they felt nationalistic. Their PFX driver programme is not yielding any potential F1 drivers either. They are out of touch with whats happening in Malaysian motorsport world because of they way they operate as an oil & gas company. For some reason they don't really mix around much. Their much publicized local SPE F1 engineers are no where to be seen.

Therefore it is unlikely they will sponsor Lotus F1 because that would devalue their brand. They want to move up the grid not down.

Thats just how Petronas is. It would have been good if Petronas embarked on a mission like that adopted by the 1M racing F1 team which is to develop the local motorsport industry which actually serves to support the f1 team in the coming years.

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it will be really stupid to be sponsoring a back marker in this case the lotus outfit compared to a midfield runner like sauber, so best stay wth sauber or move up on the grid like the top 4 and such.
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"If Petronas can sponsor a foreign F1 team, why the national petroleum company should not sponsor a local team?" - said Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, AirAsia deputy chief executive


it should be like this

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"If 1mf1 team can hired a foreign F1 driver, why the national oil can't  sponsor a foreign f1 team?" - said Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, AirAsia deputy chief executive

FIXXED.

dato'kamarudin should know,if they can look down and sidelined on little experience locals driver(that actually have a good competitive record) why cant petronas look down on a so-called locals team that dont even have a track records!!

at least fairuz prove that he is capable of racing!!!1mf1 team???PTUIHHHH....

i like this idea but after assuming fairuz going to crash and burn the car even before they complete building the car
makes me go like?? rclxub.gif when the same day i read that tony fernandez is bragging about malaysian always under estimate our self when it comes to archiving something great we always scepticals!!!

when he himself is somewhat sceptical about malaysian talent!!

if dr.m being sceptical about giving him a chance of taking over airasia can he be where he is today???

too bad he forget how he get here!!

it's because of chances.

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QUOTE(racefan @ Nov 12 2009, 09:38 PM)
Actually the 4cyl EO1w engine had nothing in common with technology available in F1 at the time. Can't credit SPE's F1 programme to the 4 cyl engine. The technologies featured in the EO1w engine was already available in 4cyl engines at the time.
Unfortunately Petronas is only interested in their commercial bottomline. If they were indeed nationalistic (you think they would because they are a GLC) they would have done something to assist motorsport development in Malaysia. Unfortunately there was no growth locally despite their 12 year involvement in the pinnacle of motorsport. Estimates say they've spent billions of ringgit in F1 related activities over the years which has certainly benefitted Petronas. I'm sure they would have jumped at the chance to sponsor something like A1 Team Malaysia if they felt nationalistic. Their PFX driver programme is not yielding any potential F1 drivers either. They are out of touch with whats happening in Malaysian motorsport world because of they way they operate as an oil & gas company. For some reason they don't really mix around much. Their much publicized local SPE F1 engineers are no where to be seen. 

Therefore it is unlikely they will sponsor Lotus F1 because that would devalue their brand. They want to move up the grid not down.

Thats just how Petronas is. It would have been good if Petronas embarked on a mission like that adopted by the 1M racing F1 team which is to develop the local motorsport industry which actually serves to support the f1 team in the coming years.
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racefan, you always have nice thought comment smile.gif

one thing for sure PETRONAS and PROTON advisor are the same man, Malaysia previous PM, Dr Mahathir

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one of the reason why PETRONAS do enter F1 is written in official PETRONAS statement
QUOTE(reason why PETRONAS enter F1)
PETRONAS’ involvement in Formula One with the BMW Sauber F1 Team has been that of a strategic partnership, to complement the company’s branding and business marketing objectives through the areas of premium branding efforts; technological expertise enhancements as well as capability development through the various business linkages and opportunities.

This partnership has elevated PETRONAS’ brand positioning around the world and resulted in significant acquisition of knowledge and expertise in technology as well as product development.

PETRONAS conducts a regular review of its position and participation in motorsports with the objective of providing continuous strategic support towards its global business expansion efforts.


as far as i know, during the development of the PETRONAS E01, the head engineer of the project is Asamu Goto from Japan..

He was a student of mechanical engineering at Tokyo's Metropolitan College of Aeronautical Engineering, Goto graduated in March 1970 and a month later joined the exclusive band of engineers in the research department of the Honda Motor Company. In the early years at Honda, Goto was a specialist in exhaust emissions, notably with the Honda Civic model destined for the United States market. By 1974 he had become leader of Honda's Exhaust Emissions development group.

Honda's relationship with Williams was reaching fruition and in 1986 where Osamu Goto led the Honda engineering team to its first World Constructors' Championship victory in four-wheeled racing. It was the beginning of a remarkable run of success. In 1987 Williams-Honda again won the Constructors' title and Nelson Piquet became the first World Champion to use Honda engines. Between them, Piquet, team-mate Nigel Mansell and Lotus's Ayrton Senna gave Honda eleven wins. The success led to Goto being put in charge of all F1 engine development - notably the remarkable normally-aspirated Honda V10 engine.

At the end of 1987 Honda left Williams to start a new relationship with McLaren. It would be one of the most successful packages in racing history, combining the engineering brilliance of Honda and McLaren and the driving skills of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost. The result was 44 victories in 74 races - Senna collecting 30 wins, Alain Prost 11 and Gerhard Berger three. McLaren-Honda won the Constructors' titles in 1988-89-90-91, giving Honda a run of five consecutive Constructors' Championships.. Osamu Goto is the engineer there

At the end of 1991 - McLaren's Ron Dennis decided that he wanted Goto at McLaren and he was recruited as Executive Engineer. What he actually did for the next two years with McLaren was never fully explained. McLaren's partnership with Honda ended at the end of 1992 and, after a year working with the Ford HB engine and dabbling with a Chrysler program, the old team began to break up: Senna signed to race for Williams-Renault and Goto went home to Japan to be a director of a company called Tokyo R&D. This role lasted only a month before Goto headed off to Italy to join Ferrari as its head of engine research and development. At the start of 1997 he was recruited to be head of the engine department of Sauber Petronas Engineering AG. Since the BMW takeover of Sauber he has established his own engineering consultancy.

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F1 is not an easy business.. even Lamborghini, Porsche, Jaguar, Ford, Honda, BMW, Toyota pull out from this motorsports..

the history of F1 tought us that you need experience and deep knowledge of racing motorsports before enter F1, example like Williams F1 which, the founder Frank Williams have a deep understanding of one seater racing from Formula Three (F3) to F1..

same goes to McLaren, which their racing history start from as early as 1960s when they enter the New Zealand Tasman Series racing.

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among main reason why PETRONAS enter F1 is to learn on how to develop a good engine, during that time PETRONAS CEO, Hassan Merican is also the chairman of PROTON Holdings (the biggest shareholder).. that time PROTON did not have own engine yet like what we know now the CAMPRO engine series.

that's why PETRONAS hire Osamu Goto (that previously Ferrari's engine research & development chief) to be the head of Sauber PETRONAS AG in engine development, take the previous year Ferrari engine and do the "reverse engineering" and improve it! and the good news that time Sauber PETRONAS F1 driver Kimi Raikkonen set the fastest lap record in Australia GP if am not mistaken.

Malaysian national oil company PETRONAS has worked closely with the national car company PROTON on the development of engines for road cars.. that's why after PETRONAS come out with PETRONAS E01 engine (the first Malaysia engine), then only we can see the CAMPRO engine coming out from PROTON factory

The original plan was for Petronas to fund the design and construction of a Formula 1 engine but it was later decided that it was wiser to use rebadged Ferrari V10 engines.. well that time is Asia Financial Crisis

then to increase the chance of winning F1 under Dr Mahathir advise, Sauber PETRONAS setup a very advance windtunnel in Hinwil, Switzerland with a SUPERCOMPUTER.. and after that Dr Mahathir went to Germany have a talk with THE BMW Group to set up a regional center in Malaysia and also discussion on BMW to involve in Sauber PETRONAS F1 project.. BMW agree and after that we see the team change its name to BMW Sauber F1 Team.. it takes time.. Malaysia always want the Germany automotive engineering marvellous, even have talk with Volkswagen and Mercedes in Germany!

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and after that PETRONAS and PROTON adviser, Dr Mahathir said it is more cheaper if Malaysia have own team, the LOTUS F1 Racing with help of AirAsia (Tune Group), NAZA, LiteSpeed UK, CTRM.

"We viewed Formula One as an important instrument to promote Malaysia to the world" - Dr Mahathir, the adviser of PROTON and also PETRONAS.. he is the man who make the PETRONAS go global, if not our PETRONAS company will stuck here because early PETRONAS model was based on PERTAMINA Indonesia

"So imagine... more than 300 television stations telecast the F1 race. People will know more about Malaysia if we have our own F1 team." - Dr Mahathir talk about strategy how PETRONAS can be #1 most profitable company in Asia.. he is right, and now Malaysia GDP almost 1/2 contributed by PETRONAS,.. PETRONAS have a very huge tax, thanks to the success of its branding in F1, and global sales

"If we were to calculate the advertisement in Japan alone, it may run into US$100 million or US$200 million." - Dr Mahathir, the PROTON and PETRONAS adviser talk about the advertising strategy.

I do think PETRONAS will sponsor the LOTUS F1 Team because it is fully supported by PETRONAS and PROTON adviser, Dr Mahathir and Malaysia current PM, Najib Tun Razak.. but the decision is made by the PETRONAS board of directors.

more good reading : http://www.mmail.com.my/content/13540-f1-i...%80%94-mahathir

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I think Petronas will eventually be 'forced' to support Lotus F1 in some way. Traditionally they have always done things their way and not susceptible to external influence but I think this time its difficult.

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F1 is not an easy business.. even Lamborghini, Porsche, Jaguar, Ford, Honda, BMW, Toyota pull out from this motorsports..

the history of F1 tought us that you need experience and deep knowledge of racing motorsports before enter F1, example like Williams F1 which, the founder Frank Williams have a deep understanding of one seater racing from Formula Three (F3) to F1..

same goes to McLaren, which their racing history start from as early as 1960s when they enter the New Zealand Tasman Series racing
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Just FYI, Lamborghini, Porsche, Ford were just engine suppliers and never constructors though Ford did put themselves on the line by buying of Stewart GP and renaming it Jaguar.

The 'real F1 teams' are the independent teams like McLaren started by Kiwi Bruce McLaren, Williams (Frank Williams), Ferrari and many other small teams like Tyrrell, Lotus, etc that over the years have been bought over by big car companies and rebranded but still operated by the same core personnel. They are the heart of F1 and are the one with experience. They are the ones keeping F1 alive all these years.

Among manufacturers probably Toyota was the unique one because they started almost from scratch instead of buying over an existing team and look how it didn't work out for them. Even so they did have a successful Le Mans programme to start with before moving to F1. Not many teams these days are brave enough to start from scratch. Last small team to do so was Stewart Grand Prix in the 90s and Jackie Stewart was already running in lower formulae. Also they were first team to have Malaysia as a sponsor on their car.

Now Lotus F1 is also starting from scratch but with key experienced personnel it will be interesting to see. USGPE also starting from scratch but they had many months of head start. Manor and Campos are experienced team from lower formulae.

Come February testing we will see which teams have been honest and which have been blowing hot air in the media.. I hope our Lotus F1 team are among the former. Tony's intention is good but execution has been highly questionable but looks like he is learning by the day.

Their PR I think is very poor. They are shooting themselves in the foot many times with their press quotes like Kamaruddin's quote. The sooner their PR dept grow up the better for the team.

Can't wait to see how they do in testing. As for Fairuz.. it's in god's hands. Tony already said he is not qualified to evaluate drivers and have left it to Mike Gascoyne.
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petronas will stick to Sauber la.
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QUOTE(sqwerk2 @ Nov 13 2009, 02:01 PM)
petronas will stick to Sauber la.
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well no confirmation of it yet.. and PETRONAS contract with Sauberend this year 2009, BMW also know about it. nod.gif

most probably PETRONAS will make the announcement after raya haji hmm.gif

BMW join the Sauber team in invitation of PETRONAS MALAYSIA when our previous PM, Dr Mahathir visit Germany and meet all the top people of BMW Groups.

very own Malaysia PETRONAS SYNTIUM TEAM currently competing in Super Taikyu Championship in Japan using BMW Z4 M Coupe car (this car is also racing in Nurburgring "Green Hell" circuit by BMW MOTORSPORTS).. in that PETRONAS SYNTIUM TEAM, i can say almost every race also got 1-2 finish, have German experts from BMW Groups people there, and also Malaysian and Japanese technical people

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official website : http://www.teampetronas.com

this PETRONAS SYNTIUM TEAM also start from scratch, but now always a champion in Japan.. experience really toughs us to be a better team
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Your title is wrong.

F1: LOTUS,McLaren,Williams,Sauber want PETRONAS money!
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Nov 13 2009, 05:00 PM)
.., have German experts from BMW Groups people there, and also Malaysian and Japanese technical people
Somehow it's very hard to ascertain the Malaysians in their technical team. Saw the team at MME and they looked pretty much Japanese and non-malaysian expect for maybe a driver or two. Saw a garage photos of the team with crew members somewhere and I don't see Malaysians. More curious I've read that a Singaporean named David Wong is at the helm usually of such Petronas sponsored teams

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petmos"petronas motorsport have a museum in bangi right??
and im not talking about the one in sepang.i saw it in majalah tiga way back then early 2000's...

and i wish petronas would just flip the fingers to tony!!!
malaysian money nak malaysian driver ludah!!

even if they dont think fairuz have no capability at least give the statement in more polite diplomatic way!!


Added on November 15, 2009, 1:01 amand i vote for petronas would stick with sauber like the old times!!!
in old livery!! ftw!!!

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