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post Apr 22 2010, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(saturniq @ Apr 21 2010, 10:50 PM)
Personally i like Sygic. I dunno about Sygic Aura but i use 2009's Sygic release. It always get me to the destination.

I dun like:

Papago - interface a bit cheapo
TomTom - not so user friendly
igo - did not like interface too and options.

Just my 2cents lah but i tried looking for Navigon, cant find. Anyone?
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A question. Do you bought all of the stated apps?

Do you consider a GPS nav app a better app based on POI or UI?

I consider a good GPS that works as claimed. An app that help me get to those remote and unfamiliar places without even have to ask a single local for direction.

The first moment PPG was out, I already considered to buy it only to wait for better price. When it dropped, no hesitation at all to splash the cash. For one reason only, MfM.

Otherwise better not having any GPS nav app at all.
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post Apr 22 2010, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(saturniq @ Apr 22 2010, 02:09 PM)
Various friends use different apps hence i tested most of it. Like i said, it's personal on what platform you choose to use, i just like my Sygic. May PPG fans here too i see.

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Some of us are mappers. So we are quite clear in which app to use.

I merely think that only full user of the apps has the right to comment as they will have the true experience in using the apps. Hence, the right to hate or love the app.
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post Apr 23 2010, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(perror @ Apr 22 2010, 11:49 PM)
Well, after a few days of using it, here's what I've got to say. I can't make a comparison with Papago as I did not use it heavily so I'm not in a position to say which is better than the other in terms of POI databases etc. I used mainly Tom Tom previously.

Based on my usage, lock on wise it's certainly fast and from the looks of it, it does seem to use A-GPS as it managed to locate me in various difficult conditions pretty quickly.

Usability wise, I'd say my experience on it has been very pleasant. The searching, and so far the POI database seems to be quite decent. At least most of the shops that are generally new in my area (appearing within the last 3 months) seem to be present. UI wise, I'd say is a really much more refined experience. Searching for locations, address and POI etc was quite intuitive.

Routing wise, I found it to be very good. Putting it through some difficult situations and intentional mis-driving, the re-routing calculation was done pretty quickly and instantly.

Stability and speed wise is good.

I have not had the opportunity to test most of the online features as they have been having some issues with their servers i presume, but the weather feature was acceptable. I'll comment more on this part of Sygic once they've sorted out the issues they had with their online services. In regards to the traffic, and whether it integrates with routing, I am not able to test that as traffic integration seems to be a work in progress. I can check with them if it does integrate traffic info as part of routing or is it just for display purposes. Planning to ask them as well how's the traffic info integration going on as I had a talk with them last year on this topic.

Like saturniq mentioned, it's really a personal choice as to which app we choose to use. My take on it overall? I like the app. Very much so I use it more than Tom Tom now mainly because it's really quite user friendly and intuitive and it's fast as well. Most importantly it fulfills my requirements. I'm hoping that when their online services bit comes back into action, there will be more to see, but overall it has certainly replaced Tom Tom as my usual GPS app. Wish I had it when I was in Singapore, the walk function would have been pretty handy there. Most of the time Tom Tom just made me go in circles just to get say to a MRT station.

Problem wise, they've got some bugs, e.g online services and their map engine, although quite well optimized needs some work as I've encountered some bugs during my test period.

Guess that's about it for now and hope that the points above have been useful:)
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Thanks for the lengthy comment. I believe the traffic service is not available in Malaysia. Unless they activate it in the future I'll surely give it a try. Do update us if such service is available. But like any other services, it's high chance it's going to be a subscription-based.

Added on April 23, 2010, 9:38 am
QUOTE(asharom @ Apr 22 2010, 06:25 PM)
Newbie to GPS. I know how to use it well enough, but how does someone using Papago M6 for example, contribute to POI's etc?

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You can't do it by using PPG alone. You can follow taqu's way of doing it.

OTOH, I'm using my previous phone to do the job through GMXT and PPG X5. PPG X5 for windows mobile that I'm using currently do have coordinate option. I'm not crossing fingers on this, but hopefully maction will give us the same feature to M6 as well.

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post Apr 26 2010, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(iori57 @ Apr 24 2010, 02:20 AM)
wow seems that alot of people vote for Tomtom in the poll... so expensive also so many people buy?

btw the only complain i have for papago is the 'car' flies out of the roads all the time... kinda annoying...

like everything seems ok, navigating around... then suddenly see my car fly out of the road kinda stupid... lol
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That's 2D lock.. Means the satellite reception is not good enough. A 3D lock will give you more accurate position.

I can't offer an explanation for this behavior but several possible reasons will be:

1. If other GPS-based apps like TomTom and Mobile Maps also have the same behavior, then it's clear that GPS chipset in iPhone is not good enough. I only have PPG so can't tell for sure
2. If only PPG showing this behavior, then it's either the mapset or the software bug

That being said, rarely I'm having such problem happens. If they do, it will resume back in secs.

Even Garmin with other phone will also sometimes shows the same behavior

Added on April 26, 2010, 9:36 am
QUOTE(imrozx @ Apr 24 2010, 06:11 AM)
i have purchase the papago pro version..
but why the Application is really2 slow lol..
i used it on my iphone 3gs...
and the Apps is really suck..
why always locate me at KL?
LOL?
on google map locate me where i am..
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Just because you don't know how to use it don't call it suck.

Google map is using A-GPS.

Meanwhile PPG is a combo of A-GPS and GPS. If you are using it first time, do it outside of the building. Even though it's using A-GPS, it will be slower to lock than normal Google maps because A-GPS in PPG is use only to route/guide satellite to find your location.

BTW, not having any issue with voice navigation even with the latest version.

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post Apr 26 2010, 11:35 AM

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ebay?
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post May 10 2010, 09:13 AM

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Seriously, I'm perplexed why do so many users having problem with satellite locks. Perhaps, these guys should clarify the "problem". Does it mean a very long time to lock or there is no lock at all?

Alas, a comparison with google map is a moot point. Google map primarily uses A-GPS which requires NO SATELLITE at all (at least in iPhone as google map version for other phone do have GPS fix). By using telco's tower triangulation on the ground, you can expect it's way much faster but less stellar in terms of accuracy.

Papago for example uses GPS satellite to lock. It requires quite sometime to lock but once you get a solid lock, it's way more accurate than A-GPS.

Therefore, there are several rules of thumb to follow when using GPS-based application.

1. Always stay outside any building and preferably away from any cluttered high-rise buildings around you for faster lock. This is especially true when it's the first time you start PPG

2. When you haven't use PPG for quite sometimes, satellite will also take quite sometime because while you're still at the same location (your house for example), the same satellites that gave you the locked have moved away, requiring you to lock to adjacent or nearer satellite. (there are about 32 GPS satellites)

3. When you have moved away, faraway from the place where you last used PPG, it will take quite sometime to lock as well, for basically the same reason with no 2.

PPG said in the iTunes description that they are not using A-GPS. But I believe this refers to the main method of tracking similar like Google maps. However, if you start PPG, you will be prompted to turn on location services if isn't turn on yet. This is A-GPS and explained why you do get signal in a building even though probably not that accurate.

If anyone asks why do it still take quite sometime though it does have A-GPS, I believe this is due to the fact that A-GPS in PPG is use only to guide satellite to track you down, unlike A-GPS in Google maps which lock you on once you start the app.

I'm on non-JB, I believe what I've said will work wonders with those with the same set. Am not sure those with Jbed phone will work the same as the problem may lies somewhere else.

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post May 13 2010, 09:32 AM

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I don't really care about the map update. Self update can always be done.

The main priority here, why they haven't fix the UI laggines?

The problem will become more prominent in landscape mode
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post May 14 2010, 05:48 PM

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It's temporary. They are still finalising who's goint to be responsible after antyong retirement.
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post Jun 14 2010, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(liverpool red @ Jun 13 2010, 10:22 PM)
Bro, the update has the updated map in it, works for me as i only need updated maps once every 6 months or so at the latest. But i think MFM have not be releasing an papago map updates recently. Not sure exactly what is going on. Any taikors can shed a light on this?
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sifu antyong saying goodbye. so it's a workforce issue

Added on June 14, 2010, 9:33 am
QUOTE(teckhooi @ Jun 13 2010, 10:43 PM)
but the latest one is June 2010 Map, am i rite?
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Nope. April 15th

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post Jun 16 2010, 10:26 AM

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PPG isn't perfect but since you've been using Garmin previously, you'll know the advantage of PPG is the map database.

While software can be blame at times for low signal etc, you should realize that it's the first time you start the app. Every GPS app will need sometime for a cold start. Everyone know that.

Secondly, hardware can be blame as well. I'm pretty sure iPhone doesn't equipped with SirfStar III if you what I meant.

Try other GPS app for iPhone and if response is slow, it's a safe bet to say that hardware does carry the responsibility as well
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post Jun 22 2010, 01:45 PM

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Told you guys before, that the coordinate option is a natural update to M6. The X5 already have it way before this so I can't see why M6 can't have it

Added on June 22, 2010, 1:47 pm
QUOTE(contreasjun27 @ Jun 16 2010, 11:18 AM)
you got any reconmendation for iphone bro?
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I only bought PPG as I believe in extensive map and update (though MfM seems to halt the update for the time being). Thus, I can't say it's better than other apps out there. But in terms of map coverage, PPG should stand out from the rest.

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post Jun 30 2010, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(gyver @ Jun 29 2010, 04:18 PM)
Just went to East Coast Malaysia using Papago with latest map updates.

Reporting that the route to Terengganu and Kelantan all good. Highway and even some short cuts in Terengganu and Kelantan go into jalan kampung, hahaha... my convoy party a bit surprised.

The only problem when entering the Kota Bharu city itself. All navigation failed 100%, big time fail....! Currently the roads there are all one way routes. Papago drove me crazy asking to turn against traffic at every corner. Lastly I just quit papago and navigate using the road signs, old school way better smile.gif

But congrats on navigating my party up until Rantau Panjang. So thumbs up Papago!!!
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Well, if MfM fellas in Kelantan didn't update their map data, nothing we can do
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post Jul 27 2010, 02:57 PM

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A wild assumption here but it seems those with iPhone 3G will have all sort of problems with PPG.

I'm on 3Gs, and doesn't even need more than 5 seconds to get a lock.

Hardware compatibility and capability play their role as well. It does lag at times but not to the point of unusable.

Added on July 27, 2010, 3:02 pm
QUOTE(jingyong @ Jul 25 2010, 08:58 AM)
Diff ppl may have diff experiences..

I used Papago before..

1. Usually take very long to lock down the GPS signal.. Even it's locked, when drive through trees, buildings, it will lag and cant show the accurate position..

2. The user interface is too laggy.. will crash if u press too fast on searching.. lol

3. Currently MFM latest map does not support iPhone yet and hence need to wait few more weeks or months for them to support iPhone version..

4. Battery drained too fast.. if u use GPS, call, SMS, u wont last for a day..

So conclusion is.. When u get into ur car, start Papago, start engine, the signal is still not locked.. then how? U wanna sit there and wait for the signal to lock only drive?

Or u wanna drive a while then when signal locked then stop at road side then only search?

I seldom use Papago nowadays since the speed is main prob for me.. I would buy a dedicated GPS unit if i really need the routing..

Iphone 3G Iphone OS 3.1.2 non-JB
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Point no 3 is misleading. MfM does not publish Papago maps for quite sometime to all devices including android, symbian etc and not limited to iPhone alone. They have some workforce issue and afterall is a volunteer work, complaint is pointless here.

For other points, I don't have a 3G so can't make a conclusion but with 3Gs, no real problem.

Added on July 27, 2010, 3:04 pm
QUOTE(michael9413 @ Jul 25 2010, 09:04 PM)
just to tell you i own a Papago R5800 for 1 yr+ already... if you say the coordinates locking is slow then pls prepare to face that problem as all GPS unit are slow too it takes up to 5~10 minutes depends on the sky clearance (cloudy or clear or raining) and also ur system (suspended ur system, after restart it search ur current position faster than overall shutdown)... all others Garmin or China branded also same also and it's battery will not last more than 4 hours if intensive use (drive in city and urban got different result as city more turn to turn guide and urban more straight forward)...
I had used GPS inside SG town area (cloudy during that time) where all the tall buildings around u, the signal is weak and it can't give you an exact location... so do not expect magic also if you are using dedicated system smile.gif
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5-10 minutes? like, seriously? That is super slow. With bigger receiver it should be way better than a GPS phone.

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post Aug 26 2010, 10:08 AM

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Am I the only one that realized the iPhone's PPG has changed name to M7?

and it seems the app has taken the advanced function from Taiwan's PPG which include tunnel simulation.

Expect an update very soon since the app just updated today.

Something to ponder though, if PPG doesn't use A-GPS, how are they going to know where is our location in the tunnel?
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post Aug 26 2010, 11:25 AM

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A map update including a greenery part on non-developed area. Somehow it's not to my liking. Routing have yet to test. But the UI lagginess is still there
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post Aug 30 2010, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(boblp @ Aug 26 2010, 03:55 PM)
got update already?.. gonna check em up.. hehe

about going through tunnel.. is it the iphone or the apps using the a-gps system..

meaning the a-gps is a hardware or software feature?

becoz if your going into a tunnel, it will utilise the a-gps signal.. where they triangulate you from the cell tower..
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A-GPS is a function and you can call it a hardware as well because there is embedded A-GPS/GPS chip combo in iPhone.

Problem is, when I joined this forum, a lot of forumer call me a bluff when I say A-GPS doesn't charge you. Everyone said using Google maps for example will charge you for the map download only but no data charge whenever you use A-GPS. I have been using GPS/A-GPS on other phone for more than 3 years so I know how it works.

But yet those that dissed me last time didn't even active on this thread. Now with iOS4 it wil be much clearer. Try to off your cellular data on iOS4 and try to activate Google maps. It won't detect you at all.

Try to do the same thing on PPG. Some people blatantly munch on the info on PPG's Appstore description, saying that PPG won't use A-GPS. Of course, it won't use for the whole routing. But it will use it for fast-locking, to determine the initial location only. Only then it will use the native GPS chipset.

I guess this could be the problem of some forumer. They might not be taking data plan hence, off the cellular data or location services (presuming they are on iOS4 or JBed), and waiting for minutes for PPG to detect the location. With both on, chances are you'll be detected in less than 10 sec.


Edited: Regarding the tunnel simulation, probably coverage isn't that good in SMART. My location in PPG stalled when I go deep further inside. Probably it only works with those much shorter tunnel

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post Sep 28 2010, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Sep 28 2010, 02:21 PM)
Why is Papago 19.90 and TomTom 60.. Why is there such a huge gap in the price.
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The Map. Papago utilising Malfreemaps, Malaysian local mappers community.

Added on September 28, 2010, 4:21 pm
QUOTE(naix @ Sep 28 2010, 04:13 PM)
will iphone4 get heated when using gps app like iphone 3g or iphone 3gs?
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I'm not pretty sure, but i think all GPS phone will heat up. It's not the fault of the phone but the GPS chipset.

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post Sep 29 2010, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(aneip @ Sep 28 2010, 10:33 PM)
erk.. iphone already got GPS.. and NO iphone can't pair with any other bluetooth device except the earphone.
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I'm pretty sure he knows GPS availability in iPhone. However, pairing with external GPS receiver is a common practice with other phone and app like Garmin. Main advantage is battery preservation of the phone
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post Sep 29 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(chewlf @ Sep 29 2010, 07:41 AM)
Hi, can someone with papago tell me whether it can do address search like you put no, jalan etc because I heard that it can't do that. Appreciate if someone can let me know. Thanks.
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There's a function for address search but no option like house number like the one in Garmin

Added on September 29, 2010, 10:56 am
QUOTE(bruce07 @ Sep 29 2010, 10:33 AM)
yeah i know there is GPS chip in iphone... thanx for the info... is there anyway to pair external GPS receiver... prefer using it coz its much faster n more accurate den the GPS chip in iphone...
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I'm not very sure, but I guess it might be possible with JB

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post Sep 30 2010, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Sep 29 2010, 11:18 PM)
If Papago uses Malfreemaps, what does Tonton use?
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Tele Atlas and Mappoint Asia. In terms of POI database and detailed maps, Mfm wins hands down. You can't beat local on their own turf.

Added on September 30, 2010, 9:18 am
QUOTE(JasonSky @ Sep 30 2010, 12:33 AM)
Wanted to purchase PaPaGo M7 Pro as it's on discount now but after reading through the reviews on the app store it made me think twice.
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There are three different cases:

1. Someone who JB the phone and then blame PPG for not working. Bear in mind, there are some who JB the phone but PPG still working. Guess the method play its part.

2. Someone with iPhone 3G and having lots of problem with PPG. I guess Maction needs to clarify whether 3G hardware is sufficient for PPG or not.

3. Someone who never had the experience of using GPS and try to get the first cold start in a house and then posting to iTunes blaming PPG as super suck app without knowing he had officially declared himself as the Most Foolish Person on the planet.

I'm using PPG since the earliest version which is M6 until now on both iPhone 3GS and 4 WITHOUT any locking issue at all. In fact, with location services on, cold start in building will take less than 5 secs.

PPG do have problems like UI lagginess and out of position at corner, but its map database has convinced me enough this is the one for iPhone. If Garmin wish to enter the foray of iPhone, that will be a different story.

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