Regarding to AKU JANJI issue

Recently just have a look on my friend contract, they called it AKU JANJI. It is a contract between the participant and the state government, i guess. I have doubt about the contract, whelther it is legal contract according to the labor law.

Currently one of my good friend XXX[beside me ] is suffering from this program and plan to XXX from it.
Main reason: No money to survive and struggling for life (just only rm1000 allow. per month).

Hopefully, Every "Senior" from those Training centre can kindly share your opinion here based on experience.


1) Where you come from?
year:
courses:
company attached:
No. of classmate:
Duration: (ex. 6m SHRDC, 6m OJT)
Allow.: (ex. rm500 govern, rm1000 company)
...............................etc

2) What do you think for this INSEP program?
mix feeling, benefit, helpful or digusting......etc.

3) During OJT,
how the respective company treat/train you? like a trainee OR engineer?
what make you sad?
what make you most impressive about the company?

4) Any classmates quit during or after OJT? Anything happen to those "contract breaker"? Is it necessary to gv a offer letter before you quit?

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 21 2009, 10:06 PM

sure like that la...i joined insep last year...for 8 month i have bear with 1.5 k...after that if the company will absorb u then ur wage will be higher la...not easy to get a job now..

Contract is definaely legal. Above 18, signed with a witness, booya! Legal.

But I don't find anything wrong with signing the contract. First, they give you free education. Second, they find a job for you. Third, they pay you every month to study. When I was in college, it's not free, I'm on my own to get a job and I paid over thousands.

I don't see why the RM500 thingy is not enough. Remember, this is an allowance, not a salary. Unless you are making huge bucks for the company, then you can demand a salary.

The OJT thingy is optional. After the course, you can go for an OJT which gives you very low salary. I did not take the OJT path, so I don't really know what's the job scope. But according to my friend, it's very simple and they offered a high salary after the OJT. If the OJT is not to your liking, you can always get a job (provided that you've completed the INSEP course). For me, I applied as a permanent worker and got hired. I don't have to go through the entire OJT process since it's a permament employment contract.

Whether the training is worth it or not? Well ... you need to ask yourself. For the one I took, SHRDC spent alot of effort in getting the best equipment and tutors. Some of them are even qualified experts from Australia. When all resources are laid infront of you, it's up to you yourself to benefit from it. There are some who slacked off in class. They ended up learning nothing. If you work hard enough, you'll learn alot from here. These are all actual industrial stuff, not some kinky theories from college. At one time, we even laid the entire classroom with Cisco devices.

To be fair, there are some subjects which irritates me. Before the actual course, you need to go through something called 'softskills'. Here, they train you on teamwork and communications. As I've previously worked in the computer industry, I find it very cheesey. It's like Michael Bay (the Transformers director) watching a Japanese Ultraman show.

There's a final project you need to go through. If you can nail it perfectly, the world will be waiting for you.

Pkh, really thank to your adv. But i don't see why the RM500 thingy is enough for your life . Definitely it is allowance, if it is salary then you better go for a part time job . Regarding to ....."Unless you are making huge bucks for the company, then you can demand a salary." May i know how much you make for the company before they started to pay you???
######By the way, it is great to know that OJT thingy is optional.

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 13 2009, 09:40 PM

@lucky.conductor,which insep u plan to join? i also got an offer from psdc (pahang) one

Whoopsi. The phrase "unless you make big bucks for the company, then you can demand a salary" is just a figure of speech. During OJT, you don't need to hit certain quota or sales target before they pay you actual salary. The phrase simply means that when you are in the INSEP course or OJT, they give you such a low pay because you are not part of the organization's blood. You are there just to get experience and training. That's why they don't pay you much. Just like if you own a company, if you know someone who is here just to learn for a few months and has an uncertain future with the company, you won't pay him much.

Again, as I mentioned, once you've completed OJT with the company, they can have the option to sign you as a permanent employee. THEN you can demand for a salary. Oh, by the way, OJT works this way - you still get RM500 from INSEP plus another allowance from the OJT company. It's not much. Highest I've heard is RM1000. So, RM1000 + RM500 = RM1500. Lowest I've heard of is RM300.

Joining INSEP is not so simple. It's simple to get in but they need to get a certain number of students before they can start the course. I won't comment too much on that right now.

Thank again for your commitment again, Pkh.

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 17 2009, 10:23 PM

The pahang ones quiet safe... u can leave when u get a good job... i did that from 3 months, before the ojt... i got a job offer, they allowed me to leave...
But not all training center allow us to leave, better find out before join

For my understanding, Diploma holder, go ahead. it is good for you and brighter your future. For Degree holder, please think fourth but not twice before you sign it.

Disagree, may i confirm with you again, the course you join is it INSEP? By the way, did you sign AKU JANJI contract for this courses?
if YES, how lucky are you haha.
if YES, do you mind share your experience according to this issue? Thks

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 17 2009, 10:38 PM

Diploma? I went to SHRDC in Selangor and they accept only:
- Degree holder
- Currently unemployed
- Aged 28 and below

I was previously employed for 3 years before I joined. I actually applied for fun since it's free and I'm financially stable.

haha tell u wat...1500 is wat i get during my SHRDC time and definitely not the highest paid...ATOS Origin give 1500 + 500...still not enough?? Scope International ( Standard Chartered) give 2000 + 500...that the highest i heard...

JUST share some 2009 INFO:

Plastic Molding Design - 1k allow, not attached with any company
Semiconductor Chip Design - 1k allow, not attached with any company
Semiconductor Package Design - 1k allow, attached with Statschippac
WD - 2.65k(1k + 1.65k)
Technip - 1.5k(1k + 0.5k)
Samsung - 2.3k (1k + 1.3k) born with ss for 2years.




Southern Steel??
Texas Instru.??
Automation??


Pls kindly update those info. if and only if
you sure about it. Thank for commitment.

got a chance for SAP INSEP from PSDC Penang
but rejected due to schedule problems

ya, would like to know more about the Aku Janji agreement. they said if you fail the exam, you have to pay them all the monies back. true?

Guys,

The piping design course offered by Technip under SHRDC, is it beneficial?

In one class, there will be how many students? how many students will excel and absorbed in by Technip...


thanks

Which one is better?

1.GRADUATE SKILL ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM IN PIPING DESIGN (INSEP)
SPONSORED BY TECHNIP

The duration of this program will be one (1) year; consisting of comprehensive technical training at SHRDC followed by on-the-job training at Technip Geoproduction
OR

2.TRAINEE DRILLING ENGINEER @UMW OIL AND GAS

The duration of this training program will be 3-6 months

u got the call from Technip as well? did they say anything about test?

erm....

Test and Interview,.. They told me...they will ask technical questions...Both test and interview session.For IQ test, I don,t think so..

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:14 PM

may i know which course u applied for?

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:14 PM

waiting for which insep course bro? there are a few courses provided..

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:08 PM

just want to know.. mine starting early of august..

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:08 PM

haha.. mine is piping design. what about yours?

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:09 PM

hey...plmkjn....i got ic design also...haha...also keep on waiting.....see u then

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:09 PM

mine starting 2nd of august.. which company u will be doing on job training at?

there got 3 different sections

engineering
SAP ERP
ICT

wor

btw u guys train in Penang or KL?

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:10 PM

^got interview one meh?
what is your training provider?

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:11 PM

mine OJT at technip after a couple of months of training at shah alam..

You better choose no. 2. I went there (SHRDC) 2 years ago (attached with Scope) and I befriend with trainee from Technip. They paid are quite low, and the piping design is just using autocad only.

This post has been edited by Dead4Life: Jul 20 2010, 08:06 AM

thats not what the current participants told me.. many sources were telling they will teaching many softwares.

i doubt technip will be using just autocad..

i am final year student.
can i apply for insep it ??

Yup, you can apply it as long as u will graduate in this year. If u next yr graduate then u will hav to wait till next yr. Currently INSEP ERP-SAP in Penang still got insufficient candidates to join, you can apply it if u fulfill the requirement.

Check out this: http://www.psdc.org.my/html/sub_programs.aspx?ID=91&PID=601

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:11 PM

can i get your email or fb...this is my email....syukri_61188@yahoo.com

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 08:58 PM

good luck people.. mine confirm starting on the 2nd of august..

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yup yup...

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:00 PM

shouldnt be a problem.. tomorrow no class, so wednesday i will find out for you.. no worries..

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:00 PM

hahaha.. thanks thanks bro..

1st day as usual just orientation.. pretty surprising the facilities are quite good.. their rooms are nice and comfortable...

17 students in my class.. including me..

when did they want to start the class...tired of waiting already....

there's nothing to do at home

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:01 PM

bro, i asked one of the coordinator who is incharge for my piping course.. she isnt sure when will the training starts. a month or so..

but she mentioned that chip design under a company (i cant remember whats the company's name), has already started the class...

sorry if the info is not that helpful

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:01 PM

hye everyone..can i know what is the requirement to get into this program? i applied so many time in all different institution/provider ...but still did not get any offer ..even not a single interview offer.
mind sharing wif us wat makes u the chosen one? high pointers? or closely related degree/diploma u have? or any working experience needed? or isit first come first serve basis?

This post has been edited by bunyani: Aug 5 2010, 01:07 AM

For the one that I applied, they req
• Minimum CGPA of 2.8 and above
• Malaysian with Degree in Engineering Electrical/Electronics/Microelectronics/Physics.

related degree is one of the factor. They probably look for those with relevant background, as they want to make sure that v learned the basic/foundation before, so that v able to cope with it in the INSEP Training later. Therefore, if u dont hav relevant degree, but ur FYP has a little bit related to the program u applied, put it in the Resume. Unluckily, if ur FYP not related, then u can put other experiences which is relevant, for example internship or external course, etc......

Besides, they would also like to know whether the program that v apply is our interest. Hence, u need to show your passion and enthusiasm.
How to write it in Resume? ask Mr. Google, books, articles, ref, etc......

and I guess it depends on which INSEP Program u apply
if many people apply, the chance to get interview is low... and vice versa
(so try to search for those less people apply one, in order to get the interview chance)

Also, because INSEP is mainly for fresh/unemployed graduate,
so if u r not recent grad, u r consider as overqualified.

thanx for the reply... haha ironically ... yesterday ...after i wrote that previous post.. i apply online for insep program in PSDC penang just for fun cuz people said they have vacancy...
& u know wat..this morning i got a call from them saying to come tomorrow if possible start training..i said OMG so fast God answer my prayer...
but i didnt expect my application to be processed at all though since i didnt plan to travel far from my hometown cuz i did it for fun..after much consederation i came to think how do i travel to penang w/o any frens or contact there.... sadly have to reject their offer though... cuz they no provide hostel and renting house so damn high there in penang... just allowance wont be enough

really people who still interested...do call them..
they really need student urgently...

for SAP ERP course, they are having one KL also, but is offered by HCL-Axon as training partner

SAP training are done in Menara Antarabangsa, soft skills training are done in Phileo Damansara

they even sponsor ur exam fee, but be reminded that the exam is NOT easy to pass at all.

I was from the batch INSEP SCD 2006 under SHRDC. The programme was jointly venture with Infineon Technologies at Kulim, Kedah. (IFKM)

Requirement: <CGPA 2.8
Unemployed/fresh grad.
Allowance: Rm500 from SHRDC, Rm500 from IFKM.
Training duration: 12mths (6mths theory course, 6mths OJT at IFKM).

During the 1st 6 months theory course, the final month SHRDC sent my batch to UniMAP (University Malaysia Perlis) for hands on approach on the microelectronic wafer fabrication process.

Later on, during OJT, within the first 3 months, I got absorbed into IFKM as an engineer.

So, in conclusion, INSEP program is a great program to expose the trainees on the industrial skills. You will learn those skills that will be applied specifically in an industry.

If let's say you don't get absorbed in the company that you are doing OJT, don't fret; use the INSEP cert that you obtain to get interview in another company. That INSEP cert is VERY VALUABLE so don't underestimate it.

Just my opinion.

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:07 PM

The one that I joined was the Analog design, but not IC design. It's more towards wafer fabrication course.

Last time my batch was around 18 trainees, so no problem with the quota. Started to apply around August 06, then received call for interview around 2 weeks after that, then in September 06 started the program already.

Hmm..if you ask me, while waiting for 1 month, maybe you want to find interview elsewhere? Just as backup plan.

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hye... i want to ask on behalf my fren... he enroll into INSEP in institution A. then suddenly he feels like changing to another INSEP module provided by another institution B. He plan to quit the program to go for the other program cuz he much prefer the other module. FYI the class has begun for around 1 week edi... but he has not sign any contract yet.

the quetion is... can he quit the program just like that? ....since no contract has been sign yet ..
and can he enroll again in the INSEP program provided by institution B? ..cuz what i heard that we cant enroll into INSEP program more than once...so maybe they wont give him chance since his name maybe already in their database right?

I thing the ASQED has already finish at 5 August...
hopefully get a good news next week...

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 08:53 PM

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yup

hope to hear from them soon!
By the way, do u know what is the company for OJT?



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i think texas instrument or freescale...

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 08:56 PM

Hi there..

have anyone been to the interview for TRAINEE DRILLING ENGINEER @UMW OIL AND GAS?

Got any tips /hint on what to expect? would it be like a structured interview ( with iq test+ group interview + 1to1 interview+bla2) or just a 1to1 interview?

thanks in advance.

bro, u r asking at the wrong thread...

I just thought that someone or maybe Heaken Destroy had already gone through the interview, praying i might get some tips from this thread.

my bad hehe

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 08:57 PM

hello, i just got a call for an interview this wednesday from SHRDC for INSEP : Industrial Automation Engineer.

so, i'm a fresh graduate from um, a bachelor's degree holder in manufacturing engineering

should i join this program? i would like to know more about the contract. how if i get job offers during the program? can i leave the program? and the allowance is RM500 fixed isit?

THANKS

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Added on September 26, 2010, 10:28 pmhopefully someone can reply me quick, wednesday is so nearrrrrrrr and i can't decide whether to wait up for job offers or join the 1 year program

btw i already got a few job offer calls

This post has been edited by adambomb: Sep 26 2010, 10:28 PM

do you mean that you have been offered a job?
if that so..if i were you, i would go for the job...it gives you real working experience+better pay..
you dont need this program at all..however if you are really interested in the path to become an "Industrial Automation Engineering"...then i would say go for the program..

its just my humble opinion though..its up to you to decide

actually 500 is the amount that u will receive from the govt..if u r lucky there will be a company that will cooperate with shrdc for the program..from my exp..i joined this program and it was also a conjunction with dell..apart from the 500..dell also gave additional 800 during the 1st 3 months and 1300 for the next 3 months before i was absorbed as a permanent..

thanks.
i was offered a job, but i rejected it because it's totally different from my field.
but am getting another job, just got interviewed and confident will get the job, but still, the job has nothing to do with my field of study
i was studying manufacturing engineering so i'm all about design and production stuff, and i was offered service and application engineer, which can also be called "after-sales" engineer. any comments and thoughts?

thanks again

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Added on September 27, 2010, 12:16 amso, it all depends on the program and the sponsor itself? so i should ask this during the interview yea?

This post has been edited by adambomb: Sep 27 2010, 12:16 AM

i got these information below, from the shrdc website..so i guess the program is very related to you majoring.




if i were in your shoe, i will consider a few things before i make my decision.....
e.g: am i in very need for money now? if the answer is yes..then i would choose working....
or what career path i see myself in the future? & what type of industries i would want to venture later on?...

THANKS

Guys, I got a call from SHRDC today. They told me to come for interview next week.What they will ask me in the interview? Btw I applied for Plastics Product & Mould Design course.

I appreciate if you guys can tell me...

hello..i oso got interview for IA eng this 5 oct.and is till wondering what are the question will be ask..and now it is hard to get an intrerview and job..haiya..im oso from UM ^^ but if i dont get any offer yet..i'll sign it if i get it..huhu..

is anyone can give some tips??

This post has been edited by gula_hangus: Oct 1 2010, 11:16 PM

@gula_hangus u got interview from SHRDC also?

yup..this tuesday..donno what to prepare..hmm..

Anyone from PSDC @ BanyanPadu Insep Program?

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 08:49 PM

SHRDC told me 25/10/2010 the class will start..

good luck bro.... i know u have been waiting for such a long time..

anyone got offer letter from shrdc yet for automation industrial? i can't make up my mind whether to go or not to this training program...haiyaa...

yup2..i oso got it..n still wondering..erm...confius..accept or decline..erm..

This is a few advice if u are confuse whether to choose or not.


u are to compete with almost 10thousand grads to get 5thousand jobs..
INSEP take participants who are not ready yet to go to industry..if you are value to industry now, they wont take u..make value urself with INSEP..

tanya la parent boleh support tak 2 rat sebulan..kalau tak boleh tanya boy/girlfriend..

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 08:49 PM

guys, is the class full from 9 to 5?is there any chance they will make a class on weekend and at night?can anybody share the experience while u in that program?

1) Where you come from?
year: July 09 - January 10
courses: Occupational Safety & Health
company attached: Carigali-PTTEPI Operating Company Sdn. Bhd.
No. of classmate: 28
Duration: 1 month of team building + soft skill enhancement, 3 months of lectures, 3 months of OJT
Allow.: rm500 per months from start to end of program, earn another additional rm500 during OJT (depend on the company to give this. one of my friend got rm1k during OJT)


2) What do you think for this INSEP program?
IMO, the team building session improve a lot of my qualities. The courses is also very good and they emphasize on practical approach. The only thing I don't like is the event organizing. There is no freedom in doing it. If this is the case, better remove it from the program!

3) During OJT,
All my classmate been treated superbly during OJT. From 28 classmates, 4 got absorbed into the rganization

4) Any classmates quit during or after OJT?
My INSEP batch is 120 student. Got 6 student who quit half-way and I don't heard they been penalized or what so ever..

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