Regarding to AKU JANJI issue

Recently just have a look on my friend contract, they called it AKU JANJI. It is a contract between the participant and the state government, i guess. I have doubt about the contract, whelther it is legal contract according to the labor law.

Currently one of my good friend XXX[beside me ] is suffering from this program and plan to XXX from it.
Main reason: No money to survive and struggling for life (just only rm1000 allow. per month).

Hopefully, Every "Senior" from those Training centre can kindly share your opinion here based on experience.


1) Where you come from?
year:
courses:
company attached:
No. of classmate:
Duration: (ex. 6m SHRDC, 6m OJT)
Allow.: (ex. rm500 govern, rm1000 company)
...............................etc

2) What do you think for this INSEP program?
mix feeling, benefit, helpful or digusting......etc.

3) During OJT,
how the respective company treat/train you? like a trainee OR engineer?
what make you sad?
what make you most impressive about the company?

4) Any classmates quit during or after OJT? Anything happen to those "contract breaker"? Is it necessary to gv a offer letter before you quit?

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 21 2009, 10:06 PM

sure like that la...i joined insep last year...for 8 month i have bear with 1.5 k...after that if the company will absorb u then ur wage will be higher la...not easy to get a job now..

Contract is definaely legal. Above 18, signed with a witness, booya! Legal.

But I don't find anything wrong with signing the contract. First, they give you free education. Second, they find a job for you. Third, they pay you every month to study. When I was in college, it's not free, I'm on my own to get a job and I paid over thousands.

I don't see why the RM500 thingy is not enough. Remember, this is an allowance, not a salary. Unless you are making huge bucks for the company, then you can demand a salary.

The OJT thingy is optional. After the course, you can go for an OJT which gives you very low salary. I did not take the OJT path, so I don't really know what's the job scope. But according to my friend, it's very simple and they offered a high salary after the OJT. If the OJT is not to your liking, you can always get a job (provided that you've completed the INSEP course). For me, I applied as a permanent worker and got hired. I don't have to go through the entire OJT process since it's a permament employment contract.

Whether the training is worth it or not? Well ... you need to ask yourself. For the one I took, SHRDC spent alot of effort in getting the best equipment and tutors. Some of them are even qualified experts from Australia. When all resources are laid infront of you, it's up to you yourself to benefit from it. There are some who slacked off in class. They ended up learning nothing. If you work hard enough, you'll learn alot from here. These are all actual industrial stuff, not some kinky theories from college. At one time, we even laid the entire classroom with Cisco devices.

To be fair, there are some subjects which irritates me. Before the actual course, you need to go through something called 'softskills'. Here, they train you on teamwork and communications. As I've previously worked in the computer industry, I find it very cheesey. It's like Michael Bay (the Transformers director) watching a Japanese Ultraman show.

There's a final project you need to go through. If you can nail it perfectly, the world will be waiting for you.

Pkh, really thank to your adv. But i don't see why the RM500 thingy is enough for your life . Definitely it is allowance, if it is salary then you better go for a part time job . Regarding to ....."Unless you are making huge bucks for the company, then you can demand a salary." May i know how much you make for the company before they started to pay you???
######By the way, it is great to know that OJT thingy is optional.

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 13 2009, 09:40 PM

@lucky.conductor,which insep u plan to join? i also got an offer from psdc (pahang) one

Whoopsi. The phrase "unless you make big bucks for the company, then you can demand a salary" is just a figure of speech. During OJT, you don't need to hit certain quota or sales target before they pay you actual salary. The phrase simply means that when you are in the INSEP course or OJT, they give you such a low pay because you are not part of the organization's blood. You are there just to get experience and training. That's why they don't pay you much. Just like if you own a company, if you know someone who is here just to learn for a few months and has an uncertain future with the company, you won't pay him much.

Again, as I mentioned, once you've completed OJT with the company, they can have the option to sign you as a permanent employee. THEN you can demand for a salary. Oh, by the way, OJT works this way - you still get RM500 from INSEP plus another allowance from the OJT company. It's not much. Highest I've heard is RM1000. So, RM1000 + RM500 = RM1500. Lowest I've heard of is RM300.

Joining INSEP is not so simple. It's simple to get in but they need to get a certain number of students before they can start the course. I won't comment too much on that right now.

Thank again for your commitment again, Pkh.

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 17 2009, 10:23 PM

The pahang ones quiet safe... u can leave when u get a good job... i did that from 3 months, before the ojt... i got a job offer, they allowed me to leave...
But not all training center allow us to leave, better find out before join

For my understanding, Diploma holder, go ahead. it is good for you and brighter your future. For Degree holder, please think fourth but not twice before you sign it.

Disagree, may i confirm with you again, the course you join is it INSEP? By the way, did you sign AKU JANJI contract for this courses?
if YES, how lucky are you haha.
if YES, do you mind share your experience according to this issue? Thks

This post has been edited by lucky.conductor: Nov 17 2009, 10:38 PM

Diploma? I went to SHRDC in Selangor and they accept only:
- Degree holder
- Currently unemployed
- Aged 28 and below

I was previously employed for 3 years before I joined. I actually applied for fun since it's free and I'm financially stable.

haha tell u wat...1500 is wat i get during my SHRDC time and definitely not the highest paid...ATOS Origin give 1500 + 500...still not enough?? Scope International ( Standard Chartered) give 2000 + 500...that the highest i heard...

JUST share some 2009 INFO:

Plastic Molding Design - 1k allow, not attached with any company
Semiconductor Chip Design - 1k allow, not attached with any company
Semiconductor Package Design - 1k allow, attached with Statschippac
WD - 2.65k(1k + 1.65k)
Technip - 1.5k(1k + 0.5k)
Samsung - 2.3k (1k + 1.3k) born with ss for 2years.




Southern Steel??
Texas Instru.??
Automation??


Pls kindly update those info. if and only if
you sure about it. Thank for commitment.

got a chance for SAP INSEP from PSDC Penang
but rejected due to schedule problems

ya, would like to know more about the Aku Janji agreement. they said if you fail the exam, you have to pay them all the monies back. true?

Guys,

The piping design course offered by Technip under SHRDC, is it beneficial?

In one class, there will be how many students? how many students will excel and absorbed in by Technip...


thanks

Which one is better?

1.GRADUATE SKILL ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM IN PIPING DESIGN (INSEP)
SPONSORED BY TECHNIP

The duration of this program will be one (1) year; consisting of comprehensive technical training at SHRDC followed by on-the-job training at Technip Geoproduction
OR

2.TRAINEE DRILLING ENGINEER @UMW OIL AND GAS

The duration of this training program will be 3-6 months

u got the call from Technip as well? did they say anything about test?

erm....

Test and Interview,.. They told me...they will ask technical questions...Both test and interview session.For IQ test, I don,t think so..

This post has been edited by Heaken Destroy: Jun 19 2010, 10:57 PM

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:14 PM

may i know which course u applied for?

This post has been edited by skinnydude: Jul 15 2010, 09:12 PM

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This post has been edited by plmkjn: Oct 14 2010, 09:14 PM