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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V3, Comparison and advice needed.

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post Nov 7 2009, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(frostworld @ Nov 4 2009, 06:39 PM)
5.1 speaker i using essential. The small type.
so far not bad, the sound can differentiate nicely of the angle.
added 2 more to become 7.1 since i have yamaha amplifier.
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for 5.1 i am using logitech z-5500D with Asus Xonar D2x sound card no regrets ever since.
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post Nov 8 2009, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 7 2009, 11:25 PM)
i want to find a good bass speaker that can go loud...can make my heart feel pain one....can make my mouse pointer shake2.... biggrin.gif
u tried s730 before right?...between this two which is nicer in term of sound( not design or size of the speaker)...and how loud can mako go?
anyone tried bose companion 3 or 5? how does it sounds compared to mako and s730?...and price in msia  if anyone know?....
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If u are consider bose companion 3 or 5 . Try z-5500D logitech. It will blast those speaker to hell because of the 10inch sub woofer
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post Nov 8 2009, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 8 2009, 01:21 AM)
but it is 5.1...i would prefer 2.1 only because my room is not that big....but yaaa...z5500 is the best i guess...hurmmm...now im confuse again which one to buy..
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its a 5.1 but u can choose how u want the speaker to perform. When listening to music i will let it play thru ASIO for the amazing output quality. When movie i switch the 5.1 on. When music i let it run on 4.1 or 2.1
No regrets. My room not big either. The smaller the better the more amazing the surround sound is\

Some day if have chance u can find someone to demo it i bet watever speaker ure consider getting now will change your mind. Last time my bass made my neighbour two doors away banging on my door because of the bass

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post Nov 8 2009, 01:55 AM

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my z-5500D is entering its 4th year already still works great. Havent found a speaker to replace my z-5500D yet
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post Nov 8 2009, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(dlyz @ Nov 8 2009, 08:43 AM)
Entry level hifi/ht smile.gif Same feel only better, tigher, louder  thumbup.gif
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wow haha u have the same previous setup as mine.

Before Altec VS4121 then now Z-5500D.

For basshead VS4121 is ideal for its price and power.
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Nov 8 2009, 08:50 PM)
it says the the bottom frequency response of S550 is much higher than Z5500. although it states 20hz - 20khz freq response, of course, the spec is not totally accurate. S550 start to be effective from 40hz onwards. im sure z5500 is lower, because when i audition Z5500 and S730, i can straight tell Z5500 has lower response.

yes the reviews do criticize Z5500 on using thin materials for the subwoofer enclosure which is ridiculous, as well as their one-way satellites compared to two-way in S550. but i can understand that their decoder needs developments etc, which shows that the price u pay went much for the decoder and control pod. as i said, upon looking at them u should know that bass lover would take Z5500 home and treble freak would buy S550.

hmm i didnt buy anything now. still using the old ifi. its more of a living room speakers compared to Z5500 which is computer speakers, therefore are not comparable. im currently waiting whether the new klipsch promedia 2.1 wireless exported to south-east asia market. if it does, surely get it. looks great. although it surely reach about 2010. now using my edifier R501 until i found a new replacement. Z5500 and S550 is too big for my room. lol.
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For me i dont believe reviews. I believe my ears because even a speaker system cost 10k if the source is crappy it will sound crappy on tat 10k system.
Z-5500D is not only for bass u can tune its treble as well. Like i said your source matters. Currently i combine my z-5500D with Xonar D2X with Foobar thru ASIO. U should listen to it. Music have never been the same to me ever since.


My personal opinion i invest heavily on my speakers system because even the era from windows 95 to windows 7 your speaker still works fine. A computer system gets outdated within a year or 2.


Added on November 10, 2009, 9:25 pm
QUOTE(dlyz @ Nov 9 2009, 11:07 AM)
Basshead go for Z5500 smile.gif It has the power when u want it though seldom can utilise it unless your house is like mine. Behind is sungai, left is empty lot, right is plant nursery, front is road. No neighbours to complain me... haha. But the songs i listen too is not basshead type anyways so outside my room is not very noisy in the first place.
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Basshead or not it depends on the placing of your subwoofer. You put your sub against different material it creates different effect. For me i put it against wood it creates a more warm bass then those noisy ones. If you put your sub against the air then it only creates noise

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post Nov 14 2009, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:48 AM)
I just bought the z5500. My first impression was, "what the hell? My 11-12 year old Altec Lansing ADA880 sounds better!" Was so disappointed and then started to fiddle with all the settings to try to improve the sound. But then I let it run in for a few hours, and then the sound started to get better. Goes to prove that it requires burn in and burn in is real. Or maybe after a while I became immune to the bad quality! lol, but no, I believe it just needed burn in.

With regards to the bass being too loud, I didn't feel that at all, not because I'm a basshead. I think mine's the new version and that they took the feedback about the over empowering bass and reduced it. Why do I say that? because at some point I thought my bass was not working. I was like WTF! My sub woofer is not working, I'll need to RMA and put my head/ear next to the sound outlet by the side of the sub woofer (aiya, I don't know how to describe la), and then I could feel some air coming out, so I was like "ok ok .. it works. The sub woofer was a bit tight at the start. Took a long time to loosen up and sound better.

Then I bought a Compass Amp and Denon D2000 & Sennheiser HD650 headphones. I don't use my speakers anymore sad.gif ... Can't stand the sound compared to the headphones. Like the speakers are making the songs worst! @.@ but need to listen to it when my ears can't take the headphones anymore @.@

BUT, conclusion is, today the z5500 sounds a lot better than it did during the first day. I run it through the Compass DAC/Amp via coaxial/rca. And it sounds better than my 12 year old Altec Lansing ADA880 smile.gif Thank God.
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I guess thats human bug. Some ppl they do not make enough research to know what they are buying? Cannot be in z5500 thread 100 ppl say its good and 1 person complain its crap? Who should we listen?
There so many aspect a person should look when they are talking about audio. This problem is common in malaysia its like a person see everyone say Samsung JET is cool can do tis do that ppl buy even the price is high without thinking then complain how sux it is. Think again the problem its not the phone its the user itself because he/she/it do not know how to fully utlize its features or enchance it.

All i can tell u is My z-5500D is 4 years old and i do not have any of your problem u describe until today. I even own a HD650 headphones i can tell you that headphones can never own z-5500D. Furthermore the sound from z-5500D i already tested and compare many speakers in the market including mid end hifi . I am very happy in my investment


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QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 14 2009, 08:57 AM)
is it that bad? doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
ohh mai...now im confuse  sad.gif
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Before u are confuse go out and ask 100 ppl what they think about it and come back?
Dont because there is a bad apple in the basket means u have to throw away the entire basket.

If 100 ppl say the thing is bad and 1 said good then there is a huge problem with the thing. But this case is 1 say bad 100 say good

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QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 14 2009, 03:40 PM)
now i must be very careful because i am quite confuse and unsure...may i know where can i audit/ test this z5500? if got a quiet place, it is more better...

someone happen to live in mallaca that own z5500? hehe...

if no choice, need to go to lowyat la to test this speaker..but which shop ya?
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Just a reminder. The audio source is very important including the sound card itself. If you are planning to listen to audio at 128kbps and below i do not recommend z-5500D.
Lowyat places they do not have quality source or device for conversion. So u wont be able to fully enjoy the quality. The best u find someone that have a fullset to test.

I can let u test mine if u need mine is combo with Xonar D2X sound card for movie and audio with ASIO without any amp. I tested my speaker on transformer 2 Bluray version i myself was amaze at the surround sound.

Example u cant compare a headphone and a speaker system because Speakers need to project the sound to a bigger area when headphone its just beside your ears so the quality or wave signal is alittle different.

Especially audio i am very picky with audio quality bitrate most songs i keep minimum 192kbps or else u hear cracking sound on the z-5500D. On the headphone it wont be so obvious because the volume is always lower compare to a speaker.


The last i tested this song Haley - This Is How It Goes (Kaskade's Grand Club Edit).mp3 at 320kbps at maximum volume the bass is capable to shake the entire house until the grill near my main door its shaking,
The bass gets strong and solid the higher the volume gets. You can adjust the bass with your remote control. Another thing a 2.1 system and 5.1 system the speaker placing is very important as well to get the optimum experience.


This just my personali experience on my Logitech z-5500D .


Added on November 14, 2009, 6:44 pm
QUOTE(shuto1 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:04 PM)
smile.gif Well, it may seem that way to you, but you're just making an assumption. I did do my research. It's not that I didn't know that the z5500 wouldn't sound good for music, I knew it wouldn't because lots of people online said so. It was OK but not great. What you did not understand from my message is that compared to decent headphones, they're not so good. But if you don't have decent headphones to compare them to, by all means, buy them! They don't sound bad. I bought them because I was replacing a 5.1 ADA880 and even though I knew that 2.1 was said to sound better for music, did not want to take that 'mental downgrade' to 2.1. (more speakers more cool mah tongue.gif also has all the DTS, bells & whistles). So, no, I don't blindly spend RM1300 on things that I don't know the quality of, or at least done some research on. That's your own presumption, not reality.

As to your 4 year old z5500D not having the problem that I described, I'm not trying to put the product down. I'm still keeping the unit, because I think it's decent. Just not great for music, that's why I'm thinking about buying an Aego M just to try it out in the office for music. The things that I described above are my own experience and I don't know about you, but if you can't say the quality of sound from a HD650 powered by a proper amp can't own the quality of music on the z5500, then pardon me saying but no offense, that's just wrong. Either the quality of your source or your amp or maybe u're the 1 in 100 that say it is bad. It's well known that headphones when compared to equivalent priced speakers, just sound a lot better for the $$ spent (don't count those gaming headphones like Megalodon la, those sux for music tongue.gif).

As to who should we listen to? Go listen to the unit yourself! You can test one out at the PJ Digital Mall. They have a unit at the top floor.

If you're looking for a 5.1 system, I'd recommend it compared to the other 5.1 systems in the market. If you're looking for speakers good for music, people here seems to say Aego M. If its compatible with you, why not try out headphones. There are plenty of good ones that don't require an amp to sound good.


Added on November 14, 2009, 1:07 pm

Agreed, I did not say the z5500 is bad. I thought my ADA880 was good. And the z5500 is better. So that's great! But yes, good headphones just sounds better.  thumbup.gif


Added on November 14, 2009, 1:08 pm

No, it's not bad, go buy it. Unless you're really picky about the music quality that you listen to. It's great for games and movies.
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If u say like tat say even my earphone Mylarone Bijou i think its better than my z-5500D for clarity and treble but a speaker is a speaker a earphone is a earphone. Have u tried using good earphone on phones like Nokia. The output from good become crappy due to the processing unit. Sound is a very subjective topic but the basic source must be good. The part u say compare with other 5.1 systems i agree . If compare with headphone of course its an unfair comparison.

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I live in Batu Feringgi near Eden or The Ship in penang. Let me know if u are dropping by.
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Nov 15 2009, 06:50 AM)
Em,

Altho it's really a little bit unfair to compare headphone to speakers, but frankly speaking, I did prefer my Sennheiser HD650 over my Edifier S730D as well for stuff like music listening. I love my speakers no doubt, it's just like I can hear much details on my headphone, and yes, HD650's clarity is still btr than Edifier S730D~ Edifier suxs? Haha, I don't think so, when it comes to movie experience, a speaker will no doubt a btr option than a headphone.
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Imagine someone speak beside your ear is clearer or speaking 100m away is clearer?
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post Nov 15 2009, 03:28 PM

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FOr lower end speakers should take Edifier C3.
Are u more into Bass or treble?
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post Nov 16 2009, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Nov 16 2009, 09:49 PM)
LOL, I don't think distance is the factor that causes the difference, in my opinion HD650 is way btr than a lot of multimedia speakers out there.
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distance make the difference on a speaker. Omg if distance is not the factor try put a 5.1 surround speakers left one 1m away the right 1 put 2m away see wat will happen?

If who compare a headphone and a speaker system doesnt know much about sound. Try go to a hifi shop and tell the seller u comparing a headphone and a speaker system u see who will be laughed


Just for your info a headphone or earphone is like electromagnetic radiation magnet imagine u use it for radio it able to get reception. Your body is the antenna itself.

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QUOTE(darkcurves @ Nov 17 2009, 02:47 AM)
Distance does make a difference. When playing for Left4Dead on 5.1, i cant hear my rear speakers because placed too far behind. I have to crank up the rear volume. Still, i believe 2.1 is better than 5.1.
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2.1 and 5.1 comparision is very subjective. There no such thing as which is better because 2.1 cant perform a 5.1 surround and a 5.1 can perform both 2.1 or 5.1.

For 5.1 surround placing of the speaker are very crucial if u misplace u will say 5.1 is crap due to human mistake.

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QUOTE(dlyz @ Nov 17 2009, 12:33 PM)
Distance and room accoustic makes a difference.

But generally you get better SQ from headphones cos there is no room accoustic affect headphone and also, cost of components i guess. Speaker cabinets is also a factor in the cost of a speaker. Example, my speaker has bitumen in it. I think tats the stuff they use to make roads lol. Then labor cost, according to dynaudio, 80% of the cost of making speaker cabinet is labor cost. That why to get a speaker of good SQ, there is a price to pay. smile.gif
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This i totally agree with you. Both also using different techology.
Further more speaker can share the audio when headphone only 1 person at 1 time
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post Nov 21 2009, 01:33 PM

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Haha i didnt know HD650 was so overprice. Definately very unfair comparison.

Logitech z-5500D = RM1400 vs HD650 = RM2100 (headphone only)

I better buy Bose companion 5 only RM1800.


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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Nov 22 2009, 12:57 PM)
Hmmm, I tot you said you owned both Z5500 and HD650.... but you're not aware of the price? Anyway, The price of HD650 varies depends on where you get them, it can be as cheap as below Rm1k if you got them from overseas or as high as Rm2.2k if you get them locally.
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Dont get me wrong not everyone in the world are as rich as u can afford to buy a headphone for RM2100 like u. I got mine for free as a present. You are rich i am not. Thanks mate nod.gif
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QUOTE(dlyz @ Nov 27 2009, 09:09 AM)
Bro, this comment unnecessary  doh.gif . We are discussing, not arguing. Besides, i dun feel chingwooi said anything to provoke you, just read it in positive view. Peace.

Btw, i work for every cent to buy my toys since secondary school.  I have been a dishwasher boy even flex.gif 

Now, i know ppl say dun compare apple and oranges. But for me, i still like to compare with the condition keep in mind the price and type of fruit we are comparing.  whistling.gif
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i am also discussing maybe chingwooi try argue i dont know? If ppl compare an apple with an orange means they dunno what they are buying

Its like a car and a plane both does it job take you to your destination but one is faster one is slower one different comfort etc etc. Logical you are unable to compare?
I dunno thats just my opinion.
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QUOTE(darkcurves @ Dec 2 2009, 12:42 AM)
Hmmm, didnt know Logitech also suffers from quality issues. Perhaps the one at the shop was an isolated incidentt? I am targetting Logitech Z-2300, the only system which offers 200watts for below RM600.
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That is human bug lack of knowledge in sounding and output quality.

Firstly do u know how is the setup in ALL IT is?

They connect all speakers to one device that does the output. If the device is crappy the sound will also be crappy thats why i play high bitrate songs on my z-5500D
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Dec 4 2009, 09:37 PM)
hi,i need recommendation.im searching a 2.1 speaker below rm300.

is alvs4121 a good choice?

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this speaker have an amazing bass. My ex speaker before i switch to z-5500D
If u are a bass person consider get VS4121
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QUOTE(darkcurves @ Dec 19 2009, 05:40 PM)
Ah, i didnt have the options to adjust the bass. Anyway, bought Logitech Z2300, cant believe the power in this thing.
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try Z-5500D and u will be even more amaze

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