Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
141 Pages < 1 2 3 4 5 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V3, Comparison and advice needed.

views
     
narkon
post Nov 14 2009, 08:57 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
647 posts

Joined: Nov 2006



QUOTE(shuto1 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:48 AM)
I just bought the z5500. My first impression was, "what the hell? My 11-12 year old Altec Lansing ADA880 sounds better!" Was so disappointed and then started to fiddle with all the settings to try to improve the sound. But then I let it run in for a few hours, and then the sound started to get better. Goes to prove that it requires burn in and burn in is real. Or maybe after a while I became immune to the bad quality! lol, but no, I believe it just needed burn in.

With regards to the bass being too loud, I didn't feel that at all, not because I'm a basshead. I think mine's the new version and that they took the feedback about the over empowering bass and reduced it. Why do I say that? because at some point I thought my bass was not working. I was like WTF! My sub woofer is not working, I'll need to RMA and put my head/ear next to the sound outlet by the side of the sub woofer (aiya, I don't know how to describe la), and then I could feel some air coming out, so I was like "ok ok .. it works. The sub woofer was a bit tight at the start. Took a long time to loosen up and sound better.

Then I bought a Compass Amp and Denon D2000 & Sennheiser HD650 headphones. I don't use my speakers anymore sad.gif ... Can't stand the sound compared to the headphones. Like the speakers are making the songs worst! @.@ but need to listen to it when my ears can't take the headphones anymore @.@

BUT, conclusion is, today the z5500 sounds a lot better than it did during the first day. I run it through the Compass DAC/Amp via coaxial/rca. And it sounds better than my 12 year old Altec Lansing ADA880 smile.gif Thank God.
*
is it that bad? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif


ohh mai...now im confuse sad.gif
aspire2oo6
post Nov 14 2009, 09:59 AM

Banned
*********
All Stars
35,468 posts

Joined: Oct 2006

QUOTE(shuto1 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:48 AM)
I just bought the z5500. My first impression was, "what the hell? My 11-12 year old Altec Lansing ADA880 sounds better!" Was so disappointed and then started to fiddle with all the settings to try to improve the sound. But then I let it run in for a few hours, and then the sound started to get better. Goes to prove that it requires burn in and burn in is real. Or maybe after a while I became immune to the bad quality! lol, but no, I believe it just needed burn in.

With regards to the bass being too loud, I didn't feel that at all, not because I'm a basshead. I think mine's the new version and that they took the feedback about the over empowering bass and reduced it. Why do I say that? because at some point I thought my bass was not working. I was like WTF! My sub woofer is not working, I'll need to RMA and put my head/ear next to the sound outlet by the side of the sub woofer (aiya, I don't know how to describe la), and then I could feel some air coming out, so I was like "ok ok .. it works. The sub woofer was a bit tight at the start. Took a long time to loosen up and sound better.

Then I bought a Compass Amp and Denon D2000 & Sennheiser HD650 headphones. I don't use my speakers anymore sad.gif ... Can't stand the sound compared to the headphones. Like the speakers are making the songs worst! @.@ but need to listen to it when my ears can't take the headphones anymore @.@

BUT, conclusion is, today the z5500 sounds a lot better than it did during the first day. I run it through the Compass DAC/Amp via coaxial/rca. And it sounds better than my 12 year old Altec Lansing ADA880 smile.gif Thank God.
*
I guess thats human bug. Some ppl they do not make enough research to know what they are buying? Cannot be in z5500 thread 100 ppl say its good and 1 person complain its crap? Who should we listen?
There so many aspect a person should look when they are talking about audio. This problem is common in malaysia its like a person see everyone say Samsung JET is cool can do tis do that ppl buy even the price is high without thinking then complain how sux it is. Think again the problem its not the phone its the user itself because he/she/it do not know how to fully utlize its features or enchance it.

All i can tell u is My z-5500D is 4 years old and i do not have any of your problem u describe until today. I even own a HD650 headphones i can tell you that headphones can never own z-5500D. Furthermore the sound from z-5500D i already tested and compare many speakers in the market including mid end hifi . I am very happy in my investment


Added on November 14, 2009, 10:02 am
QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 14 2009, 08:57 AM)
is it that bad? doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
ohh mai...now im confuse  sad.gif
*
Before u are confuse go out and ask 100 ppl what they think about it and come back?
Dont because there is a bad apple in the basket means u have to throw away the entire basket.

If 100 ppl say the thing is bad and 1 said good then there is a huge problem with the thing. But this case is 1 say bad 100 say good

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Nov 14 2009, 10:10 AM
dlyz
post Nov 14 2009, 11:01 AM

Dynaudio
******
Senior Member
1,827 posts

Joined: Aug 2006
From: Miri, Sarawak


Different people, different taste, you cant say he is right or wrong. Just my opinion.

I do agree with him generally headphones are musical compare to Z5500 but dont mean Z5500 is bad, i had try a entry level sennheiser and hated it haha. Depend on taste.

Back 4 years ago, when i was research Z5500, i did come across negative reviews, mostly complain bass.... i can say, after i start play hifi, i understand what they mean. But 1 sen product 1 sen performance.... i accept Z5500 and i still love it. smile.gif I change the sub level to 2 and 1/3 bar. Just my opinion, dun flame me.

This post has been edited by dlyz: Nov 14 2009, 11:17 AM
shuto1
post Nov 14 2009, 01:04 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
233 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Nov 14 2009, 09:59 AM)
I guess thats human bug. Some ppl they do not make enough research to know what they are buying? Cannot be in z5500 thread 100 ppl say its good and 1 person complain its crap? Who should we listen?
There so many aspect a person should look when they are talking about audio. This problem is common in malaysia its like a person see everyone say Samsung JET is cool can do tis do that ppl buy even the price is high without thinking then complain how sux it is. Think again the problem its not the phone its the user itself because he/she/it do not know how to fully utlize its features or enchance it.

All i can tell u is My z-5500D is 4 years old and i do not have any of your problem u describe until today. I even own a HD650 headphones i can tell you that headphones can never own z-5500D. Furthermore the sound from z-5500D i already tested and compare many speakers in the market including mid end hifi . I am very happy in my investment


Added on November 14, 2009, 10:02 am

Before u are confuse go out and ask 100 ppl what they think about it and come back?
Dont because there is a bad apple in the basket means u have to throw away the entire basket.

If 100 ppl say the thing is bad and 1 said good then there is a huge problem with the thing. But this case is 1 say bad 100 say good
*
smile.gif Well, it may seem that way to you, but you're just making an assumption. I did do my research. It's not that I didn't know that the z5500 wouldn't sound good for music, I knew it wouldn't because lots of people online said so. It was OK but not great. What you did not understand from my message is that compared to decent headphones, they're not so good. But if you don't have decent headphones to compare them to, by all means, buy them! They don't sound bad. I bought them because I was replacing a 5.1 ADA880 and even though I knew that 2.1 was said to sound better for music, did not want to take that 'mental downgrade' to 2.1. (more speakers more cool mah tongue.gif also has all the DTS, bells & whistles). So, no, I don't blindly spend RM1300 on things that I don't know the quality of, or at least done some research on. That's your own presumption, not reality.

As to your 4 year old z5500D not having the problem that I described, I'm not trying to put the product down. I'm still keeping the unit, because I think it's decent. Just not great for music, that's why I'm thinking about buying an Aego M just to try it out in the office for music. The things that I described above are my own experience and I don't know about you, but if you can't say the quality of sound from a HD650 powered by a proper amp can't own the quality of music on the z5500, then pardon me saying but no offense, that's just wrong. Either the quality of your source or your amp or maybe u're the 1 in 100 that say it is bad. It's well known that headphones when compared to equivalent priced speakers, just sound a lot better for the $$ spent (don't count those gaming headphones like Megalodon la, those sux for music tongue.gif).

As to who should we listen to? Go listen to the unit yourself! You can test one out at the PJ Digital Mall. They have a unit at the top floor.

If you're looking for a 5.1 system, I'd recommend it compared to the other 5.1 systems in the market. If you're looking for speakers good for music, people here seems to say Aego M. If its compatible with you, why not try out headphones. There are plenty of good ones that don't require an amp to sound good.


Added on November 14, 2009, 1:07 pm
QUOTE(dlyz @ Nov 14 2009, 11:01 AM)
Different people, different taste, you cant say he is right or wrong. Just my opinion.

I do agree with him generally headphones are musical compare to Z5500 but dont mean Z5500 is bad, i had try a entry level sennheiser and hated it haha. Depend on taste.

Back 4 years ago, when i was research Z5500, i did come across negative reviews, mostly complain bass.... i can say, after i start play hifi, i understand what they mean. But 1 sen product 1 sen performance.... i accept Z5500 and i still love it. smile.gif I change the sub level to 2 and 1/3 bar. Just my opinion, dun flame me.
*
Agreed, I did not say the z5500 is bad. I thought my ADA880 was good. And the z5500 is better. So that's great! But yes, good headphones just sounds better. thumbup.gif


Added on November 14, 2009, 1:08 pm
QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 14 2009, 08:57 AM)
is it that bad? doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
ohh mai...now im confuse  sad.gif
*
No, it's not bad, go buy it. Unless you're really picky about the music quality that you listen to. It's great for games and movies.

This post has been edited by shuto1: Nov 14 2009, 01:08 PM
narkon
post Nov 14 2009, 03:40 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
647 posts

Joined: Nov 2006



now i must be very careful because i am quite confuse and unsure...may i know where can i audit/ test this z5500? if got a quiet place, it is more better...

someone happen to live in mallaca that own z5500? hehe...

if no choice, need to go to lowyat la to test this speaker..but which shop ya?


aspire2oo6
post Nov 14 2009, 06:39 PM

Banned
*********
All Stars
35,468 posts

Joined: Oct 2006

QUOTE(narkon @ Nov 14 2009, 03:40 PM)
now i must be very careful because i am quite confuse and unsure...may i know where can i audit/ test this z5500? if got a quiet place, it is more better...

someone happen to live in mallaca that own z5500? hehe...

if no choice, need to go to lowyat la to test this speaker..but which shop ya?
*
Just a reminder. The audio source is very important including the sound card itself. If you are planning to listen to audio at 128kbps and below i do not recommend z-5500D.
Lowyat places they do not have quality source or device for conversion. So u wont be able to fully enjoy the quality. The best u find someone that have a fullset to test.

I can let u test mine if u need mine is combo with Xonar D2X sound card for movie and audio with ASIO without any amp. I tested my speaker on transformer 2 Bluray version i myself was amaze at the surround sound.

Example u cant compare a headphone and a speaker system because Speakers need to project the sound to a bigger area when headphone its just beside your ears so the quality or wave signal is alittle different.

Especially audio i am very picky with audio quality bitrate most songs i keep minimum 192kbps or else u hear cracking sound on the z-5500D. On the headphone it wont be so obvious because the volume is always lower compare to a speaker.


The last i tested this song Haley - This Is How It Goes (Kaskade's Grand Club Edit).mp3 at 320kbps at maximum volume the bass is capable to shake the entire house until the grill near my main door its shaking,
The bass gets strong and solid the higher the volume gets. You can adjust the bass with your remote control. Another thing a 2.1 system and 5.1 system the speaker placing is very important as well to get the optimum experience.


This just my personali experience on my Logitech z-5500D .


Added on November 14, 2009, 6:44 pm
QUOTE(shuto1 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:04 PM)
smile.gif Well, it may seem that way to you, but you're just making an assumption. I did do my research. It's not that I didn't know that the z5500 wouldn't sound good for music, I knew it wouldn't because lots of people online said so. It was OK but not great. What you did not understand from my message is that compared to decent headphones, they're not so good. But if you don't have decent headphones to compare them to, by all means, buy them! They don't sound bad. I bought them because I was replacing a 5.1 ADA880 and even though I knew that 2.1 was said to sound better for music, did not want to take that 'mental downgrade' to 2.1. (more speakers more cool mah tongue.gif also has all the DTS, bells & whistles). So, no, I don't blindly spend RM1300 on things that I don't know the quality of, or at least done some research on. That's your own presumption, not reality.

As to your 4 year old z5500D not having the problem that I described, I'm not trying to put the product down. I'm still keeping the unit, because I think it's decent. Just not great for music, that's why I'm thinking about buying an Aego M just to try it out in the office for music. The things that I described above are my own experience and I don't know about you, but if you can't say the quality of sound from a HD650 powered by a proper amp can't own the quality of music on the z5500, then pardon me saying but no offense, that's just wrong. Either the quality of your source or your amp or maybe u're the 1 in 100 that say it is bad. It's well known that headphones when compared to equivalent priced speakers, just sound a lot better for the $$ spent (don't count those gaming headphones like Megalodon la, those sux for music tongue.gif).

As to who should we listen to? Go listen to the unit yourself! You can test one out at the PJ Digital Mall. They have a unit at the top floor.

If you're looking for a 5.1 system, I'd recommend it compared to the other 5.1 systems in the market. If you're looking for speakers good for music, people here seems to say Aego M. If its compatible with you, why not try out headphones. There are plenty of good ones that don't require an amp to sound good.


Added on November 14, 2009, 1:07 pm

Agreed, I did not say the z5500 is bad. I thought my ADA880 was good. And the z5500 is better. So that's great! But yes, good headphones just sounds better.  thumbup.gif


Added on November 14, 2009, 1:08 pm

No, it's not bad, go buy it. Unless you're really picky about the music quality that you listen to. It's great for games and movies.
*
If u say like tat say even my earphone Mylarone Bijou i think its better than my z-5500D for clarity and treble but a speaker is a speaker a earphone is a earphone. Have u tried using good earphone on phones like Nokia. The output from good become crappy due to the processing unit. Sound is a very subjective topic but the basic source must be good. The part u say compare with other 5.1 systems i agree . If compare with headphone of course its an unfair comparison.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Nov 14 2009, 06:59 PM
narkon
post Nov 14 2009, 07:58 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
647 posts

Joined: Nov 2006



QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Nov 14 2009, 06:39 PM)
Just a reminder. The audio source is very important including the sound card itself. If you are planning to listen to audio at 128kbps and below i do not recommend z-5500D.
Lowyat places they do not have quality source or device for conversion. So u wont be able to fully enjoy the quality. The best u find someone that have a fullset to test.

I can let u test mine if u need mine is combo with Xonar D2X sound card for movie and audio with ASIO without any amp. I tested my speaker on transformer 2 Bluray version i myself was amaze at the surround sound.

Example u cant compare a headphone and a speaker system because Speakers need to project the sound to a bigger area when headphone its just beside your ears so the quality or wave signal is alittle different.

Especially audio i am very picky with audio quality bitrate most songs i keep minimum 192kbps or else u hear cracking sound on the z-5500D. On the headphone it wont be so obvious because the volume is always lower compare to a speaker.
The last i tested this song  Haley - This Is How It Goes (Kaskade's Grand Club Edit).mp3  at 320kbps at maximum volume the bass is capable to shake the entire house until the grill near my main door its shaking,
The bass gets strong and solid the higher the volume gets. You can adjust the bass with your remote control. Another thing a 2.1 system and 5.1 system the speaker placing is very important as well to get the optimum experience.
This just my personali experience on  my Logitech  z-5500D .


Added on November 14, 2009, 6:44 pm

If u say like tat say even my earphone Mylarone Bijou i think its better than my z-5500D for clarity and treble but a speaker is a speaker a earphone is a earphone. Have u tried using good earphone on phones like Nokia. The output from good become crappy due to the processing unit. Sound is a very subjective topic but the basic source must be good. The part u say compare with other 5.1 systems i agree . If compare with headphone of course its an unfair comparison.
*
thanx for the advice...dun worry..me myself prefer song with 320Kbps...

where u live ya? maybe we can arrange time to test your speaker.... icon_rolleyes.gif

aspire2oo6
post Nov 14 2009, 08:09 PM

Banned
*********
All Stars
35,468 posts

Joined: Oct 2006

I live in Batu Feringgi near Eden or The Ship in penang. Let me know if u are dropping by.
chingwooi
post Nov 15 2009, 06:50 AM

~Doctor Wannabe~
*******
Senior Member
5,124 posts

Joined: May 2008
From: Mummy's tummy
Em,

Altho it's really a little bit unfair to compare headphone to speakers, but frankly speaking, I did prefer my Sennheiser HD650 over my Edifier S730D as well for stuff like music listening. I love my speakers no doubt, it's just like I can hear much details on my headphone, and yes, HD650's clarity is still btr than Edifier S730D~ Edifier suxs? Haha, I don't think so, when it comes to movie experience, a speaker will no doubt a btr option than a headphone.
aspire2oo6
post Nov 15 2009, 11:52 AM

Banned
*********
All Stars
35,468 posts

Joined: Oct 2006

QUOTE(chingwooi @ Nov 15 2009, 06:50 AM)
Em,

Altho it's really a little bit unfair to compare headphone to speakers, but frankly speaking, I did prefer my Sennheiser HD650 over my Edifier S730D as well for stuff like music listening. I love my speakers no doubt, it's just like I can hear much details on my headphone, and yes, HD650's clarity is still btr than Edifier S730D~ Edifier suxs? Haha, I don't think so, when it comes to movie experience, a speaker will no doubt a btr option than a headphone.
*
Imagine someone speak beside your ear is clearer or speaking 100m away is clearer?
FaezFarhan
post Nov 15 2009, 03:27 PM

United till I die!
*******
Senior Member
3,435 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
From: Kota Bharu



Guys, i'm looking for a speaker for music and movies.. Which one is better?

Logitech X-540 or Edifier C3?

My budget is RM400 max.. Thanks ya smile.gif
aspire2oo6
post Nov 15 2009, 03:28 PM

Banned
*********
All Stars
35,468 posts

Joined: Oct 2006

FOr lower end speakers should take Edifier C3.
Are u more into Bass or treble?
FaezFarhan
post Nov 15 2009, 04:46 PM

United till I die!
*******
Senior Member
3,435 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
From: Kota Bharu



QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Nov 15 2009, 03:28 PM)
FOr lower end speakers should take Edifier C3.
Are u more into Bass or treble?
*
I'm more into bass but a balance mix of both would be good..
Does the C3 produce nice sound? Should be better that the X-540 right?
nismo91
post Nov 15 2009, 05:43 PM

foobar2000
*******
Senior Member
2,193 posts

Joined: Jan 2007


C3 sounds nice but the bass is weak, especially for a sub that size. must tweak your soundcard till max then can obtain decent bass. i recommend u to listen first prior to purchase.

anyway for X540, it should compete with edifier R501. also 400 range.
FaezFarhan
post Nov 15 2009, 08:49 PM

United till I die!
*******
Senior Member
3,435 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
From: Kota Bharu



QUOTE(nismo91 @ Nov 15 2009, 05:43 PM)
C3 sounds nice but the bass is weak, especially for a sub that size. must tweak your soundcard till max then can obtain decent bass. i recommend u to listen first prior to purchase.

anyway for X540, it should compete with edifier R501. also 400 range.
*
Oic.. The sub is huge but still produces weak bass? doh.gif

So for X540 and R501, which one is better? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by FaezFarhan: Nov 16 2009, 01:15 AM
nismo91
post Nov 15 2009, 09:54 PM

foobar2000
*******
Senior Member
2,193 posts

Joined: Jan 2007


yup because its not designed for boom2 party or gaming speakers. instead its for music, so in order to achieve great bass u need to crank it up till very loud.

i prefer R501 because it has bigger subwoofer, in loud volume it has capability to go beyond X540. X540 has stronger bass in medium volume, but when cranked up all the way, since it only has 5.25 inch sub then its physically limited. u can read reviews about R501, its a good speaker. but be sure to listen before making decision.
The7thSaint
post Nov 16 2009, 01:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
165 posts

Joined: Nov 2007
harmon kardon i guess
chingwooi
post Nov 16 2009, 09:49 PM

~Doctor Wannabe~
*******
Senior Member
5,124 posts

Joined: May 2008
From: Mummy's tummy
QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Nov 15 2009, 11:52 AM)
Imagine someone speak beside your ear is clearer or speaking 100m away is clearer?
*
LOL, I don't think distance is the factor that causes the difference, in my opinion HD650 is way btr than a lot of multimedia speakers out there.
aspire2oo6
post Nov 16 2009, 10:42 PM

Banned
*********
All Stars
35,468 posts

Joined: Oct 2006

QUOTE(chingwooi @ Nov 16 2009, 09:49 PM)
LOL, I don't think distance is the factor that causes the difference, in my opinion HD650 is way btr than a lot of multimedia speakers out there.
*
distance make the difference on a speaker. Omg if distance is not the factor try put a 5.1 surround speakers left one 1m away the right 1 put 2m away see wat will happen?

If who compare a headphone and a speaker system doesnt know much about sound. Try go to a hifi shop and tell the seller u comparing a headphone and a speaker system u see who will be laughed


Just for your info a headphone or earphone is like electromagnetic radiation magnet imagine u use it for radio it able to get reception. Your body is the antenna itself.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Nov 17 2009, 10:00 AM
darkcurves
post Nov 17 2009, 02:47 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
779 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
From: OUG


Distance does make a difference. When playing for Left4Dead on 5.1, i cant hear my rear speakers because placed too far behind. I have to crank up the rear volume. Still, i believe 2.1 is better than 5.1.

141 Pages < 1 2 3 4 5 > » Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0180sec    0.89    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 7th December 2025 - 02:59 PM