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 HDMI Cable Quality?, Really make a diffrent?

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ZaX17
post Feb 20 2012, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Feb 20 2012, 08:14 PM)
i dont know if there is any PQ n SQ quality cheap hdmi vs expensive hdmi.. but all my 'cheap' hdmi eg. free from lcd tvs, rm20, rm30, and rm40 ones are all not functioning anymore (cant display a sh*t). and my monster hdmi cable lasted me for many years already

btw dont buy original good hdmi cables from electronic shops.. they r all super blood sucker n burn your wallet off. just buy online here but be wise n smart to choose a reliable seller
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Yes, a good HDMI cable does make different in term of quality. In high speed digital transmission, it's not simple as '0' and '1' only especially dealing with gigabit transfer rate. There is a lot factor to consider and the basic is the propagation delay, such as setup time and hold time, they are in nanosecond scale. As the result, the receiver might interpret the wrong info.

I can explain more if you guys want to understand more, but it is going to be very technical.
ZaX17
post Feb 21 2012, 11:07 PM

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The measurement of the digital signal's quality which is '1' (high voltage) and '0' (low voltage) are known as Signal Integrity. In the digital world, the fundamental of digital signals are actually still analog signal, and in the real case, the '1' and '0' will not be square wave as we see and read in textbook (the higher the frequency, the uglier the signal will be).

First of all, the digital signal is required to swing to correct voltage level before the requirement time (setup time) and hold long enough (hold time) for the receiver to capture/clock the input signal. When in high speed signal, sometimes the output driver is not strong enough to swing the signal in time to meet the correct input voltage. Furthermore, the setup time and hold time are effected by the resistance and capacitance of the cable or connector. This will cause the receiver to interpret wrong inputs.

HDMI protocol is 10GB/s speed with 3 differential pair signals, so each differential pair signal is transferring at 3GB/s speed. They are very high speed where the signal only have 0.3ns to swing from high to low or low to high (at the speed of light, it can only travel 0.1m in 0.3ns).


I do really think this sound very technical. Do you guys still want me to continue?
ZaX17
post Feb 23 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Will.i.am.Smith @ Feb 23 2012, 03:45 PM)
Well, my take is this. Usually those affordable hdmi cables will cut corners to save cost so their margin is more (this is the norm right?  brows.gif ) and while those audiophile HDMI will usually give you the best possible quality as required by HDMI corp standard.

Look at this one :

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This is where the difference between a good quality and a poor quality HDMI cable. Then the purity of the cable material and shielding plays certain part too. However, by meant good quality doesnt meant it has to be expensive as well neither is expensive is always good. I'll always go for the certified HDMI adopters/manufacturers products when it comes to HDMI cables to be safe. And the longer they're in the business, the better it's as they're not found to be cutting corner when being given the license to manufacture the HDMI cables for OEM/mass markets.

The list can be found here :

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/adopters_founders.aspx

Surprisingly most of the audiophile brands arent listed as the manufacturers/adopters which means they're OEM from one of these listed manufacturers instead  laugh.gif

I personally ripped apart a few HDMI cables from cheap to decent audiophile brands due to malfunctioning and were surprised at each post mortem investigation and I'll am now a firm believer in good quality HDMI cables at very affordable price  brows.gif


Added on February 23, 2012, 3:53 pm

Nope, you're not correct. High speed term is used in the v1.4 hdmi cable which is categorised into a few category.

Read it here :

http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/buying_guide.aspx

If it's not stated, usually it's v1.3 unless it's stated.


Added on February 23, 2012, 3:55 pm

This is eye opener..pls..continue..we want to know more  brows.gif
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Finally some one understand what am I talking about. Yes it is all about the EYE Opener. The digital signals are like girls eye, big is good. Refer to following picture:

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Over the time, all the cable will get de-rated and resulting the transmission signals are not good as compared to new one. If the cable is not good enough, then the transferred data will get corrupted and in the worst case, the cable is not able to link up 2 devices.


QUOTE(neb @ Feb 23 2012, 05:56 PM)
may be to test cable's bit error rate in a electromagnetically noisy environment such as next to a GSM transmission tower, to prove that it got adequate shielding, Guinea pig?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Actually to be effected by noise, it does not need to placed at electromagnetically environment, just put your cable next to your power cord. However, most of the high speed signals such as HDMI will not have effect on those noise even at electromagnetically environment. This is because HDMI is using differential pair of signals and they are able to cancel the noise. Furthermore HDMI is using 8b/10b encoding and therefore it can recover the incorrect bit.

This post has been edited by ZaX17: Feb 23 2012, 10:56 PM

 

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