I'm Form 4 now, and i study in Catholic High School PJ. Since Gov only allow 10 subjects next year, I can't take Prinsip Akaun anymore.

My subjects:
1. BM
2. BI
3. BC
4. SEJ
5. MATHS
6. ADD MATHS
7. BIO
8. CHEM
9. PHYSICS
10. Moral

Already 10 subjects, but my parents want me to take Prinsip Akaun. They said maybe drop BC and take Accounting.
but, it is very 'mafan' to drop BC in my school.

Should I really drop BC and take Prinsip Akaun?

Isn't BC one of those subjects which are very hard to get A? I'd rather akaun than that. Prinsip akaun is alot easier to get A for SPM.

if i were u i will take akaun..but still continue study BC..
study for the sake for knowledge itself..
why akaun??
because it will give u more option when u finish spm..

U should think carefully on what route/area you're interested and would like to be.. If you think akaun is interesting, why go take those bio, chem, physic? Think twice.

no point taking acc in tis stage... since u have chosen science stream.
I tink u shud take BC, although it is very hard to score, but take it as advantage over the other spm candidates...

account? If u still uncertain but to be an accountant, I suggest u to study "part-time" acc certificate... actually for my time, a lot science students take part-time CAT ... that 1 is more valuable then spm accounting as the matter of practical... ppl go tuition for spm accounting but u go for certificate...afterall, if u reli wana to further study in acc, take that CAT and continue LCCI and ACCA... save more time. For me, the only value for SPM accounting is to score... nothing else. I think this shud have solved ur problem and ur parents' wish.

This post has been edited by z21j: Nov 3 2009, 03:24 PM

in my opinion,as a chinese,u have to take bc,no matter it is hard to gt an a or not.bc is not just a subject to you anymore,it is ur DUTY to take it.account...if u want to be an accountant or wat in the future,u study it afterwards.i have many friends who do not take account in their higher form but still tend to score like hell in their pre university study for account.hence,u should take chinese just because you are a CHINESE.

agreeable... dun take "straight A+" so serious then u will feel better... refer to the latest pointer system... they do take into consideration of core course + 3 best subjects only to be calculated as pointer for scholarship... so, no influence at all... u must remember, when u go outside, very rare and hard to take bahasa cina. somore ur school is a chinese skol, so i think u must appreciate it.

if i were u,i will drop bio....
n take PA....



This post has been edited by xPC12x: Nov 3 2009, 05:51 PM

Agreed. But I have regretted holding it till now.

If you're considering to take BC in SPM, that means your Chinese is already as good as I'll ever need to be . Unless you intend to study or work in China or Taiwan later, I can't see a need to do well in SPM level Chinese.

I saw another member say that you should take Chinese because it's your duty as a Chinese to take it. No offense towards him, but IMHO that is an immature way of thinking. What do you do after SPM them, continue learning Chinese too? Then go and stay in China for a few year? Become a Chinese language expert? Use only Chinese good? It's good enough that you can speak and write well in Chinese.

Chinese is also a subject that is ridiculously hard to score A in SPM. Not only is the paper itself hard, alot of student study Chinese to a fanatical level and that pushes the grade cut off higher. When you apply to a university or for a scholarship later, more often than not, people will just see how many As you go, rather than whether you took Chinese or not. And unless the person really know how much tougher is it to score Chinese, you won't get any extra credit.

Accounts on the other hand will be quite useful in your life. The principle you learn may be very basic and easy, but it helps you organize your life and alot of thing that you do in ways you have never thought about and much more orderly. Furthermore, it gives you the basics you will need to take accounts later if you wish. What you have the chance to learn slowly in two years now, will turn into a cramped 4 month course in college.

We learn mandarin because it's worth it.

Because our culture has more than three thousands years old of lesson for ur to learn. And it is the responsibility of descendants to inherit what their ancestors leave for them.

In fact, SPM level chinese is deteriorating already. The standard isn't equivalent to China's level. They need to write atleast 1000 words for one essay, we only need to write more than 350 words. Furthermore, their exam requires them to translate the 白话文to文言文(which i think is much more difficult)，unlike spm only translate 文言文to白话文.

like what i have said,don't think about scoring,it is ur DUTY to take chinese.if u didnt take chinese in spm exam,i can guarantee you that ur chinese level will deteriorate because you will think like:"i dont take chinese,what is the point for me to put in effort?"can speak,can write,really enough?if everyone thinks like that, there will be no chinese good in chinese and our future generation chinese level will be worsened.if we chinese dont take chinese in spm,who are you expecting for taking chinese?a malay or an indian?what a shame!like what i have said,dont take chinese as a subject.it is your MOTHER TONGUE unless you bleach your skin or blacken it.

Thx for all the replies.

Even if I drop BC in SPM, I'll still continue studying BC in school.
I'm good in Maths and Add Maths, that's why my parents want me to take Akaun. They don't allow me to take Actuarial Science in the future because both my brothers are actuarists, so i guess maybe i'll take Accounting.

As what mumeichan said, Accounts is quite helpful in our life. I don't mean I'm not studying BC anymore, I'll still study BC, just that I'm not taking BC in SPM

PA you can just go to tuition or something.
For me I will take BC.

As you can see, many colleges/universities accepts students who are from science stream without taking SPM PA. So, I still think BC is more important than that PA.

Your reply simply reeks of racism. Such mentality is the cause for a lot of the rife we face in this world today.

TS, do you have any minds about Accounts? If you don't, why take? From what I see, you consider Accounts in order to claim an extra A. Is that so?

TS, go for what you like and have no regrets. I got an B3 for my Chinese (bit unexpected though) and I am happy with it. Because I did the papers and I enjoy my 11 years of life studying Chinese and get a certification for it (albeit an ugly one).
Unless you hate BC, then just throw it away and use all the course material as toilet papers. That's it.

Don't take Accounts for the sake of an extra A.
I recall reading newspapers that if you are a Science stream students, chances are non-Science subjects will not be counted for JPA scholarship. If that becomes the case, why Accounts?

I see you have interest/passion (or feel the duty) to pursue Chinese, by all mean, go for it.

And, it would be a lot harder to find a Chinese paper to sit for when compared to Accounts after you complete your SPM (unless you pick up STPM).

Choose something because you like it. Drop something you hate.
Don't be fooled by the Malaysian education system of the A A A A A A A thing. Education is about learning, not number of A. Enjoyment comes first.

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Added on November 3, 2009, 9:42 pmNo. Universities hardly care about your SPM other than your 1119 for degree intake. And even going for Foundation course, it's unlikely that BC and PA will become one of the subjects that they look into. None give you advantage or disadvantage in getting a place in university.
The matter is probably face problem of whether you have straight A or not.

This post has been edited by tanjinjack: Nov 3 2009, 09:42 PM

Finally, a rational reply using logical reasoning and personal experience. I'm not the TS, but really Thanks!

For me, i would take account instead of BC. You can converse well in mandarin right? so its enough for today requirement where knowledge in mandarin is advantage beside english. And also, if you take account, you'll have wider choice instead of BC. btw, do you happen to know a girl there by name of June Lee? haha.

Does Accounts give you a wider choice?
Without Accounts, you can get into any Accounts course as well, as long as your Maths is ok. Accounts doesn't give you a wider choice in term of academic requirement. It does give you a new field of knowledge to learn though, which might spark up new interest in life.
And I take the stand BC neither give you a wider choice. I do believe one can still be reporter, journalist, tv host even if he doesn't have BC in SPM.

In either case, it would hardly make any difference for your future if it's not going to branch into either two. BC offers you one year of knowledge, so does Accounts for your Form 5. It's equal. BC teaches BC, Accounts teaches Accounts. It's up to interest to decide.
But of course, feel free to take 'number of A' into consideration. I can't escape myself with that mind last time, so even though I made my opinion this time, I don't expect those who can understand and care less about A.
Ultimately, do what you like.